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Highfather_24 said:
Interesting post. I saw this video recently and you get to see how different people from different backgrounds and ages have justified and internalized this

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The more I read or listen to about life in Israel the more it seems just a "far out" place.

I've been reading about the 350000 odd people, kids who were born to a Jew in a mix marriage, who can't marry a Jew, can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery etc because the mother isn't Jewish but father is.

I've also been reading about the "price tags" which is when the authority tells the settlers to do something and they will attack the Palestinians and their own police etc as a sort of "resistance".

And Palestinian police officer don't have the right to chastise or arrest a Jew.

I can only imagine why we get views like in the video of that's what you are brought up in
 
Highfather_24 said:
Interesting post. I saw this video recently and you get to see how different people from different backgrounds and ages have justified and internalized this

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The lack of empathy and the entitlement to "their god given land" is just so feckd. Also calling Palestinians "arabs" sounds like a way to say they dont actually belong in the country.

Gaza is turned to rubble, Israeli soldiers blinded by hate and the thirst for revenge kills who they want, world goes on.
 
That_Bloke said:
Note also that almost all of them don't even name them as Palestinians, just Arabs
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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Also calling Palestinians "arabs" sounds like a way to say they dont actually belong in the country
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It’s pretty standard for Israeli Jews to refer to Palestinians as “the Arabs” and for Palestinians to refer to Israelis as “the Jews”. Been that way since the beginning of all this I guess, before “Palestinian” and “Israeli” came to signify what they do today.
 
That_Bloke said:
It's absolutely insane. This guy is a criminal.

We can say what we want about Europe and their coverage but if someone spoke like this on a mainstream media, they'd be publicly shredded, fired and would probably end up with a lawsuit for hate speech.
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GBNews probably isn't far behind Fox in allowing/wanting such "contributors".
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Why are they running like that? Is it like whoever throws in their used underwear through the window first, gets the house?
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Seems like it is a 'finder's keepers' situation which makes it even more surreal & unacceptable.

It's like watching the idiots run through the doors at big box stores on Black Friday.
 
Moby said:
Every single video I've seen of these settlers they've come across the creepiest most mentally deranged human beings one can imagine.
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You see these videos, the Abby Martin video interviewing people in Jerusalem, the photo of people watching the bombing in Gaza like it's a cinema and the poll just come up, and reminded that people and governments were sharing videos of Palestinians celebrating when Hamas attacked Israel, chants of the river to the sea etc in order to dehumanize them, call them anti-semites and advocate for their killing. Yet, no one would dare use examples of these Israelis and dehumanize them, call them racist Islamophobes and justify their deaths.

Being raised post 9/11 though, I've been used to seeing this hypocrisy play out in some western countries.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Disgusting behavior. Israel will never start to behave until the West puts pressure on them, and places conditions on the massive amount of military support they are being given. It's just not going to happen, when everyone in power in the west is so cowardly.
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They're going to make too much money from infrastructure projects to 'rebuild' Gaza.

And a highly traumatised population with not much hope will be ripe for narcotic consumption.

Look on the bright side. There's a fortune to be made here!
 
Badunk said:
They're going to make too much money from infrastructure projects to 'rebuild' Gaza.

And a highly traumatised population with not much hope will be ripe for narcotic consumption.

Look on the bright side. There's a fortune to be made here!
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Do you have any numbers that support the notion that Gaza is in any way financially profitable for the West?
 
do.ob said:
Do you have any numbers that support the notion that Gaza is in any way financially profitable for the West?
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Not only western weapon companies profit from this bombing (the amount of boms being dropped is huge) but also the testing of new weapons making Gaza a laboratory is well known fact for weapons manufacturers. It is inhumane and disgusting.
 
Rooney24 said:
Is Israel still "defending" itself??
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If by defending themselves they plan for no Palestinians to remain in Gaza, then the plan's working. They've learned there's no repercussion to slaughtering 5000 women and children, so they might as well complete the course. The US, UK and various allies have determined that a ceasefire only benefits Hamas, so its in the world's interest that Gaza is turned into the world's largest graveyard. Hopefully that finally forces the remaining Gazans to all scupper to the Sinai desert, so the Israelis can swoop in and build something (and to quote Ben Shapiro, Israelis build things, Arabs just blow them up). And once that's done, the Israelis can go full speed ahead with empowering settlers to ethnically cleanse the West Bank too. Then and only then we'll have peace and stability for the region. The Palestinians started this whole conflict on October 7th, so the Israelis will finish it, backed by the benevolent might of the US and various allies. So there's hope.
 
Was discussing the situation with someone, where he was firmly in the "Israel is defending itself and showing restraint, Hamas and Fatah are terror orgs and have broad support among Palestinians" camp. At one point he called Palestinians a "horrible people", and when I called out that rasist statement he called me a Jew hater in return.
 
Kaos said:
If by defending themselves they plan for no Palestinians to remain in Gaza, then the plan's working. They've learned there's no repercussion to slaughtering 5000 women and children, so they might as well complete the course. The US, UK and various allies have determined that a ceasefire only benefits Hamas, so its in the world's interest that Gaza is turned into the world's largest graveyard. Hopefully that finally forces the remaining Gazans to all scupper to the Sinai desert, so the Israelis can swoop in and build something (and to quote Ben Shapiro, Israelis build things, Arabs just blow them up). And once that's done, the Israelis can go full speed ahead with empowering settlers to ethnically cleanse the West Bank too. Then and only then we'll have peace and stability for the region. The Palestinians started this whole conflict on October 7th, so the Israelis will finish it, backed by the benevolent might of the US and various allies. So there's hope.
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Great bit of defending from them it has to be said.
 
Halftrack said:
Was discussing the situation with someone, where he was firmly in the "Israel is defending itself and showing restraint, Hamas and Fatah are terror orgs and have broad support among Palestinians" camp. At one point he called Palestinians a "horrible people", and when I called out that rasist statement he called me a Jew hater in return.
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How did you guys finish the discussion? :lol:
 
hasanejaz88 said:
How did you guys finish the discussion? :lol:
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That was the end of anything resembling a grown-up debate. He was so incensed at the suggestion that he said something racist, and I was to busy trying to find out what I'd said that lead to him calling me a jew hater.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Interesting post. I saw this video recently and you get to see how different people from different backgrounds and ages have justified and internalized this

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Israel's propaganda machine is certainly very impressive. They've managed to convince the world they're the calm, civilised, reasonable party in this conflict while the Palestinians are nothing more than brutal, barbaric animals that can never be reasoned with.

It's honestly chilling how calmly and casually they talk about obliterating and wiping Palestine off the face of the earth. Repulsive.
 


Listen to their officials, they are not trying to hide, this example above is one of tens of videos of officials showing their true faces. But the problem is not them, because we already know their true colours.

The problem is the international community, because they have the power to stop this madness, but their response is not good enough. When someone like the ambassador above talk like that, he should be challenged on spot and aggressively, but it is obvious, people are afraid to do so, because they will get canceled.
 
Giggsyking said:
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The irony of the Israeli UN ambassadors theatrically wearing yellow Stars of David to invoke the memory of the Holocaust, while they engage in calling 2.5 million people enemies and justifying killing 50,000 of them - it's of the fecking charts.

I don't even know why I'm posting in this thread. Everything is so incredibly dark and depressing, I don't think anything knew will come to light that will really move my position, and Israel will surely continue to do exactly what they want with impunity as the west looks on from the sidelines. I can't imagine where we will be in a month from now, but it can only get worse - both in Gaza and elsewhere.

Someone earlier posed the question about whether we are any better as a species now than in previous centuries, and I'm honestly not sure. There may be less war and atrocities going on overall, but it's also clear that whenever there is a dispute over resources, a dispute over land, racial/religious tensions, or some longheld grudge, people will always be capable of incredible barbarism by reducing their opponents to something less than people.
 
Giggsyking said:


Listen to their officials, they are not trying to hide, this example above is one of tens of videos of officials showing their true faces. But the problem is not them, because we already know their true colours.

The problem is the international community, because they have the power to stop this madness, but their response is not good enough. When someone like the ambassador above talk like that, he should be challenged on spot and aggressively, but it is obvious, people are afraid to do so, because they will get canceled.
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This is the biggest problem and not just in this conflict , the media which is supposed to be the people's extended arm (at least in democracies), is acting on behalf of their government instead, pushing political agendas, not asking questions or only asking the questions that push a certain viewpoint.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Disgusting behavior. Israel will never start to behave until the West puts pressure on them, and places conditions on the massive amount of military support they are being given. It's just not going to happen, when everyone in power in the west is so cowardly.
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Trouble is, not applying international law consistently just further emboldens the AS stereotypes that the Jewish lobby has this soft influence over global power structures.
 
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