Scoring late winners against bottom half teams doesn’t mean much when you’re one of the main driving factors behind us getting totally outplayed every single game by all these bottom feeders.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Yes he has been shite. But without him we are even shittier. He needs competition and its not Mason Mount.
That is from the short-term perspective of what happens on Saturday. From a medium/longer term view of building a team with different qualities - getting rid of Bruno would be greatly beneficial.
I can’t understand how so many fans are so satisfied with a poorly performing 10 at the heart of the team so long as he can come up with a key pass. Like, to what end are you even satisfied? Where are you expecting this approach to ultimately take us? Because it hasn’t taken us anywhere significant yet, so I don’t get the total refusal from many to even consider that a different approach may help.
Getting rid of the hardest worker and most creative player is not the way to fix this team. He's played far to little in a free 10 role. Bruno is a key player for us and very important for us, even when out of form like now.
Our DMs, wingers, ineffective finishers and injury haunted defense has been our main problem. Our DMs giving away too much space between them and our defenders is the main reason we've been ran over so many times this season....and of course the fatal individual errors in dangerous positions giving away goals in almost every game of course.
Getting rid of him would only be greatly beneficial if we have a proper and better midfielder than him. But alas even Chelsea's golden boy is worse than him at United. There arent a lot of quality midfielders in the world and if there are they join pep baldy or go to spain.
Reminder. In the last 24 PL games Bruno is our top scorer on 6 goals, Mctominay 2nd on 4, everyone else on 3 or less.
He's an issue dont get me wrong, but feck me he's the only one that seems to actually do anything in this team lately.
He's an issue dont get me wrong, but feck me he's the only one that seems to actually do anything in this team lately.
There are a lot of quality midfielders in the world, just not necessarily world class. Look at Bissouma, Joelinton, Bruno Guimaraes, Rodrigo de Paul, Barella, Paqueta etc. Midfielders that ensures the midfield has a certain balance, presence and control without being world class players. We just recruit the wrong players over and over. It's about time we get in midfielders with physicality/strength, good passers and composed with the ball. We don't have a single midfielder like that.
he really is the russell westbrook of this team. Stats will look good but theres a reason you dont win titles with him.
None of them play the same role, but I'd take Bruno over any of them every day of the week. I'd take a couple of them to play next to or behind him though.
But why do we need to play with a number 10?
Do you trust our recruitment and long term planning? Ignoring that getting rid of Bruno right now is mental, we have 0 track record in recent years of being able to replace players with better ones. Why get rid of generally one of our best players for an absolute punt
Same stats as KDB, but yeah, Bruno needs to be removed so we become a title-winning team. Same people that were saying that Onana was going to revolutionize our playing style. There are dozens of issues with our team and he is at the bottom of that list.
Why are you making things up? He is not close to De Bruyne's stats, and De Bruyne offers much more than just creating chances. He is one of the best midfielders to ever play in the PL ffs.
This comparison just keeps getting more ridiculous.
If you compare them in the league for the last 5 seasons.
Let me know if you can see the image , Im on my phone and is difficult to put the info.
He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.
Just found this on fbref... and the data is taken from Bruno's 'worst period' as a United player, whilst City broke a tonne of records and won the treble.
The data says that Bruno and KDB are both in the top 1% for chance creation, the top 10% for scoring and the top 10% for carries/progression. Both are in the bottom 5% for pass completion (71.8% vs 72.1%) and Bruno is the better player in the defensive phase. (When compared to positional peers, in this case midfielders, from the top 5 leagues)
Yeah I've made that comparison for a while now.
He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.
Just found this... and the data is taken from Bruno's 'worst period' as a United player.
Please lets not do this again. Bruno isn't close to KDB as an actual player. Yes production wise they are similar, but that's about it.
Also if KDB was playing in Bruno's role in our team given the same free roaming license over that time period, his production would be even better. One does it while playing within a successful team system, the other does it by BEING the system.
I was replying to somebody saying "He is not close to KDB's stats". Well actually yes, he is. Secondly, I said that Bruno has some qualities that KDB doesn't have, and vice versa. How is that wrong? The data shows that Bruno is much more involved than KDB defensively, and is available for a lot more minutes.
Please, demonstrate to me that Bruno Fernandes 'is the system' whilst playing under Erik ten Hag. Maybe you're confusing the onus is falling on Bruno because our other attacking players have been wildly out of form or otherwise inconsistent?
Do you actually watch us play? Our wingers and full backs receive the ball more than enough to make impactful contributions during a game, but they don't. I've already shown in this thread before, but it's not that too much of our creative play is going through Bruno, it's that our other players don't do enough. Bruno is on par for his position and role whilst our wingers are woefully behind.
There is not a single aspect in the game that Bruno Fernandes is better than De Bruyne, except maybe defensively these days, and that's partly because of De Bruyne's age.
Compare their minutes, and you'll see a huge difference in how much they've played. For the past three seasons, Bruno has played around 1000 minutes more in the PL each season, and yet De Bruyne quite easily outperforms him when it comes to G+A, chances created per 90 and general play.
Compare their minutes, and you'll see a huge difference in how much they've played. For the past three seasons, Bruno has played around 1000 minutes more in the PL each season, and yet De Bruyne quite easily outperforms him when it comes to G+A, chances created per 90 and general play.
Post your own stats then, you've got two people posting differently above.
Post my own stats? They are literally on FBref and fotmob, they are not my stats. They're there for everyone to see. De Bruyne scores more, assists more, creates more chances per 90 and is a much, much better football player overall. What are you even getting at here? Bruno has slightly better npxG + xAg, so that makes him close to De Bruyne statistically?
So hypothetically Shiek loadsamoney buys United and swiftly goes about replacing every single player except Bruno Fernandes with world class talent systematically chosen to play under a manager and DOF that have won it all and arguably already managed/built the greatest club side of all time, how does Bruno (good as KDB) get on in that team?
DeBruyne V Bruno... The new Messi V Ronaldo
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He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.
Just found this on fbref... and the data is taken from Bruno's 'worst period' as a United player, whilst City broke a tonne of records and won the treble.
The data says that Bruno and KDB are both in the top 1% for chance creation, the top 10% for scoring and the top 10% for carries/progression. Both are in the bottom 5% for pass completion (71.8% vs 72.1%) and Bruno is the better player in the defensive phase. (When compared to positional peers, in this case midfielders, from the top 5 leagues)
Careful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.
Ah, ol' Pogue with his personal insults. Nice fella. Do you genuinely believe Bruno is close to De Bruyne as a player?
you seem to have a lot of respect on this forum for someone who regularly belittles people
Agreed. Opinions that differs from his own is something he takes very seriously, and he just can't help himself but post something degrading. Him being a long time - and frequent - poster on this forum means it is absolutely pointless to report him.
Makes no sense, right?
There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
But look at Bruno’s pass completion percentage! He gives the ball away a lot, whereas if you look at De Bruyne's pass completion percentage it's *checks notes*... lower than Bruno's.There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
Yeah but the poster knows how to debate in good faith, shouldn't be referring to them as village idiot surely?
The issue with Bruno is more where on the pitch he makes those incomplete passes not how many
If he makes such a pass on the edge of the opponents box that's one thing, but doing the same thing on the edge of our penalty box is much more likely to have a consequential effect
Can you give a few examples of games in which this has happened? I can't recall many instances where we've conceded a goal as a result of Bruno giving the ball away on the edge of his own box, however you're making it sound like this is a frequent occurrence.
There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
On this very same page, you're admitting that Bruno is an issue, yet he is not far off De Bruyne? Do you honestly think he would be an issue if he was close to De Bruyne?
It seems you are incapable of looking up statistics yourself for some reason, so I guess I'll have to show it to you:
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Clearly, De Bruyne has more G+A in much fewer minutes. Bruno plays almost 1000 minutes more than him every single season. Keep in mind that Bruno is also our primary penalty taker and 16 of his goals are from the spot, while De Bruyne only has 4 from the spot from the goals in the picture.
As for chance creation, it is true that Fernandes beat him for chances created overall last season, but I think it's more important to look at how much you contribute when you're on the pitch, and De Bruyne comfortably beats Bruno every season.
Chances created 19/20: De Bruyne (4.4 per 90) > Bruno Fernandes (2.3 per 90)
Chances created 20/21: De Bruyne (3.6 per 90) > Bruno Fernandes (2.8 per 90)
Chances created 21/22: De Bruyne (3.6 per 90) > Bruno Fernandes (2.6 per 90)
Chances created 22/23: De Bruyne (3.6 per 90) > Bruno Fernandes (3.2 per 90)
Add the fact that De Bruyne is a better dribbler, stronger, better ball progressor both when it comes carrying and progressive passing, can protect the ball, better vision, better passer. You can show me statistics of Bruno having slightly better pass completion, but it means nothing. Bruno consistently loses the ball in midfield and even in defense frequently due to lack of strength, weak touch or a bad pass. Don't forget the difference in mentality and attitude when it comes to De Bruyne and Bruno. He doesn't consistently whine or complain to his team mates and blame them for his own mistakes, and he doesn't regularly loses his cool and basically forgets how to play football or work together as a team.
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Just using that as an example, not specific instances, because of the way we play he does have a tendency to play risky passes in bad areas which put us on the back foot, KdB not so much - basically pass completion % is a pointless stat without any context
Let’s face it, whilst he can be a petulant baby and highly-infuriating player that spams attempted through balls like nobody’s business, he’s still at least a tier above Mason Mount. The epitome of a ‘nothing player’.
He contributes to our lack of control and composure in midfield but he offers far more cutting edge than Mount. Even if he’s not reached the dizzying heights he set, at the beginning of his United career.
He contributes to our lack of control and composure in midfield but he offers far more cutting edge than Mount. Even if he’s not reached the dizzying heights he set, at the beginning of his United career.
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