Out of everything possible in f1 I want Alonso winning a title against max somehow and see how toxic it would become. I'm not even a fan of either
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Glad you got the privilege to see Hamilton in his prime.
Couple of records here from Max.
That wouldn't happen, anyway. Alonso beating Max to the title, that is. Alonso is still an incredible driver, but age is not merely a number. Max is in his prime. RB needs a younger driver there, IMO. I like them both, personally.
Dont think it would particularly. Lewis and George are more toxic fighting for 5th.
Lando 171
Hamilton 120
Sainz 110
Perez 110
Leclerc 98
Russell 84
Piastri 82
Alonso 67
Best of the rest from Silverstone onwards. Pretty impressive Lando.
Hamilton 120
Sainz 110
Perez 110
Leclerc 98
Russell 84
Piastri 82
Alonso 67
Best of the rest from Silverstone onwards. Pretty impressive Lando.
Alonso will never win a WC in a Red Bull, not while Max is there anyway.
Not taking anything away from either driver Max is just the better driver right now, even on a level playing field, I think Alonso would struggle to beat him.
Will Max beat Lewis’ a win records, yes I think he might, will be get 8 WC , now that Iam not sure about, yes he has the ability, but will he have the car to do it, next season yes already odds on favourite I would think, so that’s 4 WC, can Red Bull produce a car to keep him top for the next 5 seasons ? other teams are improving all the time, I can see him easy getting 5 or 6 and then maybe stalling, a bit like Lewis for his 8th.
From the team leadership's perspective that makes sense and goes along with what I was saying. Nando brings a circus with him, not unlike Carlos - who obviously was released from RB and the long standing rumor is that it had a lot to do with what Marko and Horner criticized Nando for. They also have seen in his first stint at McLaren and probably realized that's not what they need in the team. One of the best drivers of all time without a doubt, but putting him next to another demanding driver like Lewis or Max just seems more of a headache than it's worth from a team's perspective.
I don't think what you said is fair about Max and Nando. Max expressed his admiration for him well before 21. Similarly Nando has called him the driver he appreciates the most before Max ever won a WDC. Could that relationship sour if they had a battle? Sure. But point being that they dont share love for one another just because one is so far ahead of the other.
Max and Nando will be team mates winning Le Mans one day.
Alonso could potentially beat Max over a season. Likewise Max beating Alonso. Its almost impossible to know without them being in the same car. Max maybe in his prime, but Alonso is wily as the wily-est of foxes. Regardless it would a incredible watch.
Alonso along with Hamilton is the greatest driver of his generation. He should have more WDC's but joins the wrong team at the wrong time. I want alonso to win another title.
Alonso might beat Max , even if not purely on technical level he could get into his head. Max is in a simply lovely place currently but we've not seen him really challenged since 2021. Or maybe early 22 season when Ferrari didn't manage to screw up in the first races. We'd be able to see if he has matured but sadly I don't see it ever happening (Alonso in RB)
I love Alonso! So awesome seeing him yesterday use every bit of guile, class, and experience to keep the much faster car behind him, and then pipping him right at the end. The man is so good, and just a great guy.
And yeah, obviously we don't know for sure. But I'm still very confident in saying he won't beat him over the course of a full season. I just don't see it. I know you're not the biggest fan of Max (you do give him credit, I'm not saying you don't) but for me he is easily one of the best drivers in the history of the sport and he's in his prime. He would beat Alonso in this RB, IMO.
However, it would be an epic battle, because i can guarantee you that Max would not be breaking any of these records if Alonso was alongside him. We also wouldn't see any of these crazy comebacks from Max where he's down the grid. That's where a teammate like Alonso would punish him. Any mistake would be critical.
Max currently is the best driver of his generation no doubt. My only criticism of him (and its not his fault), is that other than 2021, he doesnt have any title battles to speak of. Thats why he reminds me of a young vettel. Who everyone would wax lyrically about and was going to smash schmachers WDC record and then some.
I want to see max pushed to the absolute limit, physically, mentally and emotionally. Thats the only way we will see his ceiling as a driver, even his biggest fans should want that. We wont see any of that while he drives off in the distance without conpetition (again not his fault).
I'm so old i remember seeing Senna. Prost, Mansell, Schamcher, Hamilton, Alonso beimg pushed to the limits in titanic championship battles. If we dont get to see that with max in his career then its a loss for everyone who loves the sport.
Horner said earlier this season (about perez), that he couldnt beat max on pace. The only way he could beat him was to punish 100% any slipups from max and his side of the garage. Be that grid drops or parts penalities. Plus having his side of the garage implement race strategy better than maxs side of the garage.
Perez obviously cant do that. Alonso could as you said. You could also see alonso being the cunning, manipulative driver he is, turn the screw and turn the RB pit garage into a pressure cooker. It could become peak Roseberg/Hamiltom or Prost/Senna or Pironi/Villeneuve. It would be box office to watch.
If not Alonso, then i hope RB somehow even by accident, luck into getting the other best driver of max's generation into the other seat next to him. So we can see them go toe to toe in epic championship battles. Who that driver is i have no idea. There are many pretenders but no one stands out to rival max. The best of the best of the previous generation will be gone soon (hamilton and alonso). We were robbed by fate of schmacher v senna. I hope we get a proper titile battle of max v hamilton or alonso before they retire.
I know it'll never happen unfortunately but do you think the RB would suit Alonso's driving style or would even he struggle?
Oh I agree about the competition. I've always said it. I would love to see him pushed, because that's where he's really at his best for me. Like all great drivers. Just love to see him, in a race, pit stops done, and he comes out about 3 seconds behind his rival. And just watch the pure spectacle of him chasing that rival down. Maybe he'll catch him, maybe he won't. Kind of irrelevant really. The fact that he would be in that position is an exciting prospect for me.
I think they should go for someone younger. Lando, Piastri, Leclerc. Someone like that. Obviously, they don't necessarily have to go to RB, of course. Just need their respective teams to sort their shit out.
I'd be very surprised if the person who succeeds Daniel in that RB seat isnt a current McLaren driver.
"..Formula 1 drivers, such as Fernando Alonso, prefer a slight understeer balance in their cars because it allows for better control, higher speeds, and faster acceleration, despite the disadvantage of instability under braking.
Alonso's adaptability is evident in his ability to win races even with cars that have terrible understeer or a lot of oversteer...."
Its a good question, that RB is so good in the corners and so planted that maybe he would excel.
Theres a part of me that still thinks he will win another title. Just out of persistence. And also he isnt the type of driver that you want to be facing in a long season duel because ultimately points are on Sunday and on Sundays his knowhow and expertise get the job done.
El Plan all the way, but it wont be in a Red Bull for sure.
The RB19 is very pointy at the front end so those that love a car that oversteers, like Verstappen, will enjoy it. Whilst I think drivers like Alonso would find and adapt to any car on the grid, the lack of understeer in the RB19 is probably the main reason why Perez has struggled so much. The car probably has gone through the usual weight saving process in the season to make the front end even snappier.
Based on not much more than a hunch I don’t think Norris would suit the Red Bull car.
It's hard to say. The McLaren is hard to drive and even he says he doesn't like it but adapts, so he may prefer the red bulls characteristics. He may be so used to McLaren that he would struggle to adapt to something else but I think he's so talented that he would be fine in one.
Yeah I was thinking it could just come down to how adaptable a driver is but he always looked more comfortable than Ricciardo in the McLaren if my memory is right which it probably isn’t. Ricciardo obviously looked great in the Red Bull so just went with the simplest explanation in that their styles aren’t the same. I’m sure these things are studied to the absolute extreme by teams when picking drivers though… I hope
Yeah I was thinking it could just come down to how adaptable a driver is but he always looked more comfortable than Ricciardo in the McLaren if my memory is right which it probably isn’t. Ricciardo obviously looked great in the Red Bull so just went with the simplest explanation in that their styles aren’t the same. I’m sure these things are studied to the absolute extreme by teams when picking drivers though… I hope
Sainz also said the McLaren was a nightmare. And yeah ricciardo had a disaster and was comprehensively beaten by Norris. I just think Norris is extremely talented and will adapt to any car, much like Alonso has throughout his career. For me Norris is in the top five drivers on the grid with max, Lewis, Alonso and leclerc.
You could be right. Would definitely be intriguing.
Result of US Grand Prix maybe in doubt.
Red Bull Racing, Aston Martin, Williams and Haas must all report to FIA stewards. This is all to do with the right of review that Haas' Formula 1 team is invoking. The outcome of the US Grand Prix could change as a result.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/247739/red-bull-and-other-f1-teams-taken-to-task-by-fia.html
Red Bull Racing, Aston Martin, Williams and Haas must all report to FIA stewards. This is all to do with the right of review that Haas' Formula 1 team is invoking. The outcome of the US Grand Prix could change as a result.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/247739/red-bull-and-other-f1-teams-taken-to-task-by-fia.html
Can someone explain to me what Russell was complaining about when he was behind Hamilton and lost the DRS? If you're in the same car and have DRS while your teammate ahead doesn't, shouldn't you be faster than him and thus the one responsible for ensuring you stay in touch at whatever the right time interval is between the cars? Or is the car in front supposed to slow down when the DRS traps come around to ensure you stay in touch or something but then pull further away to stop your tyres degrading elsewhere?
Just Russell things.
I think it was just in the moment stuff. Helping each other with DRS to fend off cars behind can help on tight tracks like Singapore or to salvage the end of a race but not at this track or even at the stage of the GP. Russell dropped a mile off not long after being on the radio and both were sitting ducks with bad tyre wear and aero drag, DRS or letting Russell by was not an option. In reviewing the race with the team he'll know it was fruitless suggestions
HAAS seeking following penalties
- Perez 18x 5s
- Stroll 16x 5s
- Albon 15x 5s
- Sargeant 3x 5s
Stewards rejected HAAS complaint last night. No new evidence provided. Case closed.
Sorry, didnt know that.
Nothing to apologise for buddy. I think HAAS have a case.
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/38855704/us-gp-results-stand-f1-stewards-reject-haas-appeal
Bit of a joke considering the footage provided. (actually a complete joke once again by the clown organization).
They were right they just cant conclusively prove it with onboards.
Just bad camera placement at some corners.
Would have taken a point off Williams and given 2 points to Haas. If Haas outscore Alfa Romeo by 3 points over the last 2 races it'll sting
Just bad camera placement at some corners.
Would have taken a point off Williams and given 2 points to Haas. If Haas outscore Alfa Romeo by 3 points over the last 2 races it'll sting
Apparently prices for Las Vegas have dropped massively, you can buy them much cheaper then they were when they came out. Mind you, the prices are still too expensive to be fair.
reading stuff about Las Vegas, track layout and expected cold weather, this race could be an utter shit show.
Temp is forecast to be 4 degress, it's looking like it's going to be the coldest race in the history of F1, cold weather and lengthy stretches without turns could see Formula 1 cars resemble Bambi on ice if precautions aren't taken.
The pit lane exit is raising some concerns
Track layout
Temp is forecast to be 4 degress, it's looking like it's going to be the coldest race in the history of F1, cold weather and lengthy stretches without turns could see Formula 1 cars resemble Bambi on ice if precautions aren't taken.
The pit lane exit is raising some concerns
Track layout
Who'd have thought a night race in the Nevada desert in mid November would be a bad idea.
Money speaks volumes
What will probably happen now is that F1 and Vegas will just install a pavement heating system before ever admitting it was a bad idea.