Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Nogbadthebad said:
If he says yes to the terrorist thing, then the next point for morgan is to say 'you don;t negotiate with terrorists'

So a call for a ceasefire is then described as negotiating with terrorists.

I would have thought that even the most outraged would not be so silly as to think morgan was ever aguing in good faith. About anything.
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Not really. We saw this playing out with that Egyptian John Steward fella, and it went pretty good. It shouldn't be hard to call Hamas a terrorist organization while at the same time being completely against what Israel is doing.

It was a very simple question to answer. His friend did that quite easily and was not pressed into 'you do not negotiate with terrorists'.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
I don't think you can keep saying that after he took Putin's money and went on Russia Today.
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How much Russian money do you think has infiltrated Keir's Labour and BoJo's Tories?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Genuine question (don't follow uk politics too much).

When he was going for PM, I only saw bits and pieces but he seemed like he was saying the right things but then David Cameron won.

Why did people not like this dude?
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He had a stab at it in 2017 and did well, with huge momentum behind and chants of "Oh Jeremy Corbyn", then his lack of charisma, issues with his background associations, stubbornness, and easy targeting by the media (terrorist sympathizer/anti-semitic) made it impossible for him to win. He went to the ballot again and basically gifted the election and a massive majority to that spoilt jar of mayonnaise, Johnson.
 
VP89 said:
You mean borris?
He was ultra ultra left. Also said stupid shit like "our friends in Hamas". Didn't age well.

Also he has no charisma. Borris was a loveable bumbling idiot to the ageing voting oopulation in the UK.
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Yes, Boris, my mitake.

This? I swear this was massively out of context?
 
Desert Eagle said:
Exactly. Came across meek and unsure of himself. He might be morally better than most politicians but if you're getting bullied by piers fecking Morgan, it's time to step up your game.
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The more I see of Corbyn, the more I swear someone needs to push him way at the back of the bus by Labour. That interview with Piers Morgan was pathetic when everyone and the dog know that you have to fight fire with fire against Piers.

That sure makes me appreciate Bernie Sanders a hell lot more on this side of the pond, even at age 82 (damn, time flies!).
 
Kaos said:
He wasn't though, I see terms like that and 'radical' being used far too liberally, when in fact a lot of his projected policies were considered popular by the British public. What let him down were the antisemitic allegations, his supposed affinity to groups like the IRA, and he was also subjected to a vicious media hit job that's almost unprecedented in its fervour for any opposition leader. The looming Brexit situation was also an albatross that quite frankly would have doomed any Labour opposition leader.
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He also had internal sabotage from the centre/right in the party.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
The more I see of Corbyn, the more I swear someone needs to push him way at the back of the bus by Labour. That interview with Piers Morgan was pathetic when everyone and the dog know that you have to fight fire with fire against Piers.

That sure makes me appreciate Bernie Sanders a hell lot more on this side of the pond, even at age 82 (damn, time flies!).
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He's no longer part of the Labour Party.
 
Livvie said:
Too much of a peace lover? He wouldn't have gone down well with the US
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Peace lover? Back in the day, peace lovers in favour of a united ireland supported the SDLP not Sinn Fein since they advocated peaceful change. Peace lovers are honest brokers and talk to both sides, trying to find common ground. What consistent record has Corbyn got of doing that? His reputation in some quarters far far exceeds his accomplishments in this area.
 
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RedDevilQuebecois said:
That sure makes me appreciate Bernie Sanders a hell lot more on this side of the pond.
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In my opinion, Bernie is without question the only politician I have ever truly believed in in my entire life. Sadly America was never ready for him and the corporate Democratic engine ultimately conspired against him to stop him getting to the White House.

Given the absolutely batshit way US politics work it's a big probability that he wouldn't have been able to achieve everything he wanted anyway. But just imagine he was allowed and did... I think even after heavy resistance that ultimately the vast majority would come round and I think he would have made a marked difference to make America better. It's just so fecking sad he wasn't given the chance.

I've always said I wished he was British so he could have ran for PM here. Sadly we just have Starmer who is definitely Tony Blair lite and yet another posing people pleaser and I'd gladly swap him for Bernie every day of the week.
 
Can’t we just let Corbyn die (not literally)? Why does he have to be dragged out again, it’s hardly relevant anymore. Maybe after the next GE we’ll stop going back to his weaknesses
 
T00lsh3d said:
Can’t we just let Corbyn die (not literally)? Why does he have to be dragged out again, it’s hardly relevant anymore. Maybe after the next GE we’ll stop going back to his weaknesses
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He's a still a totem for many on the left, unfortunately. Half of the rancor in the starmer thread is because starmer isnt more like Corbyn.
 
nickm said:
Peace lover? Back in the day, peace lovers in favour of a united ireland supported the SDLP not Sinn Fein since they advocated peaceful change. Peace lovers are honest brokers and talk to both sides, trying to find common ground. What consistent record has Corbyn got of doing that? His reputation in some quarters far far exceeds his accomplishments in this area.
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I dont think he 'supported' Sinn Fein as much as recognised the need to engage with them and the Provos.

And didnt the Queen and/or Charles meet Gerry Adams?
 
Saw his interview with Piers. Wow. :lol: What a chaotic conversation that was.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Exactly. Came across meek and unsure of himself. He might be morally better than most politicians but if you're getting bullied by piers fecking Morgan, it's time to step up your game.
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As far as I recall, he very rarely came across as unsure of himself, he just had nuanced views rather than sound bites.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
The more I see of Corbyn, the more I swear someone needs to push him way at the back of the bus by Labour. That interview with Piers Morgan was pathetic when everyone and the dog know that you have to fight fire with fire against Piers.

That sure makes me appreciate Bernie Sanders a hell lot more on this side of the pond, even at age 82 (damn, time flies!).
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He's not even a labour member, what are you on about?
 
Raven said:
As far as I recall, he very rarely came across as unsure of himself, he just had nuanced views rather than sound bites.
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I agree with this - he know what he wants to say, but why would Piers want to have a constructive debate? A slanging match with a name like JC will get him lots of media noise.
 
The Corinthian said:
I agree with this - he know what he wants to say, but why would Piers want to have a constructive debate? A slanging match with a name like JC will get him lots of media noise.
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Nobody in the media wants a constructive debate. It's all about sound bites and headlines and "DESTROYING" others.
 
Frosty said:
I love how there is all this furore about the ceasefire vote amongst the political class. It is as if they are trying to convince themselves that the UK is not utterly irrelevant in this matter.
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Britain literally created Israel.
 
Who advised him that signing up for that interview was a good idea? It was only ever going to end up as a car crash with all three of those in a room.
 
Frosty said:
I love how there is all this furore about the ceasefire vote amongst the political class. It is as if they are trying to convince themselves that the UK is not utterly irrelevant in this matter.
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I get your point, but now that Belgium and France are also calling for a ceasefire, the rest of Europe can apply some pressure even if they're pretty impotent geo-politically.
 
Ajr said:
It's too late, no vote is going to save Gaza or protest in the UK going to do anything
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So we do nothing? Is that your solution?

This is like saying there's no point in screaming whilst being stabbed to death.
 
He chose to go on the show. Piers Morgan didn't act in a way that was out of character at all.
 
Frosty said:
And a lot has happened between 1948 and now to British power and influence.
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Given that Israel exists based on the notion that it's their homeland because some Jewish lads were there 3000 years ago, I think history should mean at least something.
 
Ajr said:
It's too late, no vote is going to save Gaza or protest in the UK going to do anything
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Current and former Israeli officials disagree.

Israel will likely see international pressure to halt or curb its Gaza operation rise significantly within the next few weeks, Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said Monday. In a briefing to reporters, Cohen said diplomatic pressure had begun to increase, and although not currently very high said it was now on an upward trend. Asked what the “diplomatic window” for the IDF’s campaign in Gaza is, Cohen answered “Two or three weeks.”

Cohen did not specify what he expects to happen after that time, and his office declined to clarify further. He did add however that some of his diplomatic counterparts have already made discreet requests for a ceasefire in conversations with him, but that such requests have not yet been made public.
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The Corinthian said:
I get your point, but now that Belgium and France are also calling for a ceasefire, the rest of Europe can apply some pressure even if they're pretty impotent geo-politically.
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Yep that's true.

All the objections are for domestic consumption and who can appeal to the Islamophobic voter the most. I just cannot stand the hypocrisy of those politicians who somehow think calling for a ceasefire undermines Britain's standing and makes us a less serious actor. Brexit took care of that.

Raven said:
Given that Israel exists based on the notion that it's their homeland because some Jewish lads were there 3000 years ago, I think history should mean at least something.
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Sure. We could also talk about the Romans suppressing the Jewish rebellion in the first century. Italy probably has as much influence as we do in 2023.
 
Drainy said:
Over simplistic, and completely irrelevant to today's world even if that were true
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Britain has more sway than you guys are suggesting.
Frosty said:
Yep that's true.

All the objections are for domestic consumption and who can appeal to the Islamophobic voter the most. I just cannot stand the hypocrisy of those politicians who somehow think calling for a ceasefire undermines Britain's standing and makes us a less serious actor. Brexit took care of that.



Sure. We could also talk about the Romans suppressing the Jewish rebellion in the first century. Italy probably has as much influence as we do in 2023.
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Not true at all. Britain are far more relevant on the international stage.
 
Raven said:
Britain has more sway than you guys are suggesting.

Not true at all. Britain are far more relevant on the international stage.
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As a nation that provides arms we probably have some leverage, but I'm sure the US undercuts some of that.
UN veto and permanent security council membership etc helps but realistically we're not a big swinging dick like we were in 1920, or like the US are now.
 
Drainy said:
As a nation that provides arms we probably have some leverage, but I'm sure the US undercuts some of that.
UN veto and permanent security council membership etc helps but realistically we're not a big swinging dick like we were in 1920, or like the US are now.
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So we should do nothing? We should say nothing?
 
Just to clarify, even if we can do nothing really, I think it's important we call out injustice.
 
For no particular reason...is he a Russian shill? If so, does he know it or is he still just banging the peace and love drum?

And if he is a Russian shill, was he when he was leader of the Labour party or has he been "radicalised" afterwards?

I really like the bloke but some of his foreign policy positions are indefensible to me, interested to know what people think.
 
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