Broken chassis, Broken Engine and damaged Battery? Thats alot of £££ under the cost cap.
Also one less FP session just spices it up more for qually and GP.
Also one less FP session just spices it up more for qually and GP.
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Brundle: Vasseur has the right to be angry
Martin Brundle on Sky Sports News reacts to Frederic Vasseur's frustration at the damage done to Carlos Sainz's car:
"He has the right to be angry. Under these cost cap regulations, we are here at a track where Ferrari fancy their chances, especially with Carlos Sainz, and they have a broken chassis, broken engine and no mileage.
"Even if we run again tonight, that Ferrari is not going to run. Vasseur is not going to be very keen to hear how good the event is."
If they dont run in FP2, Carlos will be massively underprepared with just FP3 to get a feel for the track.
Martin Brundle on Sky Sports News reacts to Frederic Vasseur's frustration at the damage done to Carlos Sainz's car:
"He has the right to be angry. Under these cost cap regulations, we are here at a track where Ferrari fancy their chances, especially with Carlos Sainz, and they have a broken chassis, broken engine and no mileage.
"Even if we run again tonight, that Ferrari is not going to run. Vasseur is not going to be very keen to hear how good the event is."
If they dont run in FP2, Carlos will be massively underprepared with just FP3 to get a feel for the track.
under the circumstances , that damage should be excluded from the cost cap.
What about potential penalties for the changes, will the FIA enforce them ?
He owns part of the Merc team so has a huge interest in the US expansion working.
I know that, I was not criticising him, I actually agree with him.
Like this race or not, there has been a massive effort to get the race in place, yeah the manhole cover is a shitshow, but by the sounds of it, they did all the could before FP1 and the problem only came to surface after cars passed over.
Practice Two start officially delayed
The start of Practice Two, which was scheduled for 8am UK time, has now been delayed until some point after that while these track repairs continue.
This is what Sky are reporting.
So no idea when FP2 will start, its 11.30pm there now, how long will they hang on before calling it a night ?
The start of Practice Two, which was scheduled for 8am UK time, has now been delayed until some point after that while these track repairs continue.
This is what Sky are reporting.
So no idea when FP2 will start, its 11.30pm there now, how long will they hang on before calling it a night ?
Not a first failing manhole in F1 tracks, didn't they just have one a few years back in Baku?
I'm still undecided about the track but I do think it's very embarrassing given the marketing(I've watched them boast about gps guided steam rollers this week in their vids!). Not as embarrassing as having a race with 6 cars but one gets the feeling it's just not meant to be.
yes it was Baku, their first race also, it I remember right.
I think there was one in Shanghai, China and Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Canada.
I cant disagree on any of your points, the cringe fest Opening Ceremony.
The 6 race GP was a farce, also last time in Vegas was no great shakes, track on a car park !
i agree it should be excluded if it isnt driver / team error.
Good question about penalties.
The offending manhole cover, I wonder how many more there is.
This is turning out to be quite the shambles. Poetry.
This was just on Sky F1
Sainz, Ocon car damage reffered to stewards
A note from the FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer to the stewards in Vegas regarding the damage sustained to Sainz and Ocon's cars as a result of that manhole cover.
Significant changes have been required to both cars, some of which under normal circumstances would trigger a penalty or at least work towards one, so it seems the stewards may be able to give dispensation here given the circumstances. That's certainly what Ferrari and Alpine will be hoping for and, probably, expecting.
"Due to the impact with a foreign object on the race track, the following cars have to change the below listed components, which are restricted by the 2023 Formula One Sporting Regulations:
"Car 55 (driver Carlos Sainz): Survival cell Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) Energy Store (ES) and directly associated Control Electronics (CE)
"Car 31 (driver Esteban Ocon): Survival cell
"I am referring this to the Stewards for their consideration."
I can’t see them fixing that safely in the time frames they have. This could get messy.
I agree with you, its getting later and colder, FP2 in the very early hours, cant be something anybody wants.
Could they extend FP3 to compensate, would that even work for the teams ?
FP2 might get cancelled. They dont have long before the roads that make up the circuit need to be opened up for commuter traffic.
They are going to have to weld them.The offending manhole cover, I wonder how many more there is.
what is it just after midnight there now, I would guess road need to be re-opened 5am for the locals to get around.
Sky Sports F1's Simon Lazenby:
"We are still waiting a decision as to whether FP2 will take place at all.
"We are hearing rumours potentially of 2.30am (10.30am UK) local time.
"Some of the roads here used for the circuit have to open at 4am. So we are time limited here. But it's been a very strange and I suppose slightly embarrassing start to this weekend given all the money and effort that has gone into this."
"We are still waiting a decision as to whether FP2 will take place at all.
"We are hearing rumours potentially of 2.30am (10.30am UK) local time.
"Some of the roads here used for the circuit have to open at 4am. So we are time limited here. But it's been a very strange and I suppose slightly embarrassing start to this weekend given all the money and effort that has gone into this."
just make the cars practice around the traffic. seeing perez overtaken by a honda jazz would be the final nail in his coffin.
Just give them all F150s for practice and no one will even notice!
Im hoping FP2 is cancelled and we only get a standard FP3. Makes the weekend more russian roulette, which is apt for the location.
Brundle: I guess they want to try and find a fix tonight
Sky Sports F1's Martin Brundle on the challenges in finding a solution to the water cover problems and what happens next:
"They got to establish how many of these need to be fixed. Establish a fix. Do it. Let it dry. And then somebody, especially in a country like America, is going to have to sign that off and say 'that's acceptable, send the cars out there at 220mph, and we think that'll do'.
"Technically somebody has to go 'that is an engineered solution, we are prepared to put our names to and safe it's now safe to send the cars around there'."
And on what might happen next, Martin adds:
"I guess they want to try and find a fix tonight and prove it ready for tomorrow. As soon as I saw it I thought that's going to take an age to get to the bottom off and put something in that's fast setting. How fast is fast? It's not exactly warm out here tonight.
"It felt to me like they should have gone 'ok, we've got a fundamental problem here. Let's stop, fix it, and we'll run a lot more tomorrow."
Sky Sports F1's Martin Brundle on the challenges in finding a solution to the water cover problems and what happens next:
"They got to establish how many of these need to be fixed. Establish a fix. Do it. Let it dry. And then somebody, especially in a country like America, is going to have to sign that off and say 'that's acceptable, send the cars out there at 220mph, and we think that'll do'.
"Technically somebody has to go 'that is an engineered solution, we are prepared to put our names to and safe it's now safe to send the cars around there'."
And on what might happen next, Martin adds:
"I guess they want to try and find a fix tonight and prove it ready for tomorrow. As soon as I saw it I thought that's going to take an age to get to the bottom off and put something in that's fast setting. How fast is fast? It's not exactly warm out here tonight.
"It felt to me like they should have gone 'ok, we've got a fundamental problem here. Let's stop, fix it, and we'll run a lot more tomorrow."
I like this idea.
Fantasy league, might had well put all the names in a hat and pick the top 10 that way
Just thinking, that is not a man hole cover, its a water valve cover.
What a shitshow.
The locals are absolutely hating this whole event already, if it winds up being a disaster on top there will be a lot of backlash and pressure on local government about future plans.
The locals are absolutely hating this whole event already, if it winds up being a disaster on top there will be a lot of backlash and pressure on local government about future plans.
FIA expecting 10am (UK time) start to FP2
We've just had another update from the FIA, which sounds as though we're heading towards a resumption.
An FIA spokesperson said: "We are currently expecting around two hours of delay from the originally scheduled start time for FP2 in order for the local circuit engineering team to carry out the necessary works on the track.
"The session will be extended to 90 minutes. Will update with more specifics when they’re available."
We've just had another update from the FIA, which sounds as though we're heading towards a resumption.
An FIA spokesperson said: "We are currently expecting around two hours of delay from the originally scheduled start time for FP2 in order for the local circuit engineering team to carry out the necessary works on the track.
"The session will be extended to 90 minutes. Will update with more specifics when they’re available."
2am start time for FP2 , is just daft for everybody involved
there is a 3 year contract in place and they will want it extended, lessons have to be learnt from this, timing has to be one of them.
The whole thing is daft. I don't think there'll be a race.
Also disruption.
Monaco disruption is limited to maybe just over a week? Here it’s been causing issues for months and will likely continue for a good while after the race.
Its a mess.
no it’s a normal man hole cover. those people are just giants, on account of how big everything is in vegas. their tradespeople need to be tall to be able to reach the top of the bellagio to dust it.
I presume they will have checked all water/man hole covers on the track, but how will they have checked them?
Somebody just going to look, maybe stamp on it and saying yeah that fine, but there could be cracks or damage not visible.
Somebody just going to look, maybe stamp on it and saying yeah that fine, but there could be cracks or damage not visible.
If it’s the concrete that failed then no amount of welding is going to guarantee anything