just read the last page in here. People really struggle with the notion that the IDF's intelligence may in fact be correct and that Hamas aren't nice people.
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just read the last page in here. People really struggle with the notion that the IDF's intelligence may in fact be correct and that Hamas aren't nice people.
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Why would Sisi care about 2 million additional people on his land, who (unlike the guys Moses took back across the Red Sea) have no avenue of returning to where they came from?
If he did care about them, he would be inviting them in during the war wouldn't he (along with a guarantee they would be repatriated after).
How is not believing an organisation that's frequently caught lying antisemitism?
What has that got to do with antisemitism? If the IDF told me the sky was blue, I'd look up to check. It's not exactly groundbreaking news.
That's what you think antisemitism is?
i can't work out if you are being serious.
I don't think you'll find anyone here saying Hamas are nice people. I've read the majority of this thread and don't think I've come across that even once.
As for not believing IDF intelligence, can you blame people for being skeptical considering how many times they've been proven to produce fake material or at the very least, material that doesn't seem genuine when looked into beyond a first glance?
More agreeing with this just being an anti-Israel echo chamber.
IDF can post some video evidence of something and the first response is "liars" "cover up"
I’m not sure what @glazed is referring to, but there was a post on here earlier today - now deleted - claiming (paraphrase) that wealthy Jews control American media and subvert American democracy on behalf of Israel.
I don't trust any military forces or intelligence services, they've been telling fibs since the dawn of humankind. It can be the IDF, the CIA, the FSB or the SIS. How is that related to anti semitism?
If they want to avoid that, maybe they should lie and cover up less? Because you're aware that this is something they do a lot, yes?
More nonsense out of you, accusing people of saying things they never have. Not sure why this sort of behaviour is allowed in this thread.
That's fair, but I assume the moderation is handling those. He's using the words low key, so assume he's referring to something not that obvious that somehow goes past the mods.
The introductory sentence "Joe Biden is president of the US" made me chuckle a bit.
Was it talking about AIPAC and ADL?
Israel is not preventing Gazans leaving via Egypt. Egypt is doing that. This is doublethink. The two countries have the same policy for the same reason. Even the Palestinian Authority has supported the Egyptian blockade. That said, the Israelis don't give two hoots for western moralising on the subject. They see Gaza as a hotbed of Islamist hatred that cannot be reasoned with. They have a point.
Search back. The use of blood libel resonance in digging up the 'Israel steals Palestinian body parts' story from the 1990s is a good example. There's also a constant stream of low key 'Jews control the media and US politics' comments. Very little criticism of the BBC for taking Hamas claims and videos at face value.
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Are you under the impression there are Israelis at the Rafah Crossing? I don't think that is true. Perhaps you mean something else?
Begs the question of how long the management at Shifa hospital and NGOs like the Red Cross and UNWRA have known about Hamas operating in the hospital. Contrary to what they have been saying the whole time
This video is from 8 years ago and helps us understand the mentality of some of the Gaza residents. People in the West cannot even imagine doing this kind of thing today. It is so sad that some people grow up with hate, their lives have been actually destroyed by that hate. And some of these people may try to become a real Hitler2, beyond the clothes and the stores. Of course, my opinion is that the majority of US citizens will help make anyone who dreams of actually becoming Hitler2 have the fate of Hitler1.
What begs that question?
Everytime someone asks you to provide proof of anti-semitism on here you tell them to just read the last couple pages etc, never really providing proof. You should actually show examples of low-key, blatant anti-semitism on here, it would strengthen your case instead of making it sound like you're crying wolf, which most of the time its seems like you are doing.
The Israelis have been checking trucks at the Nitzana crossing, after which they head to Rafa.
Shifa hospital was either used to treat or hold hostages. The hospital is run by NGOs, surely UNWRA / Red Cross / WHO, were aware of this?
as my response above. Wasn't really referring to anti-Semitism. More the anti-Israel echo chamber
They're medical personnel who've taken an oath, they're going to treat injured hostages if Hamas brings them in. That is not the same as Hamas operating in/out of the hospital.
Sorry I'm being slow. That's in Israel. How would that affect traffic between Egypt and Gaza that did not originate in Israel?
I don't fully understand the mechanics of it, but apparently trucks get inspected at Nitzana as per an agreement between Israel and Egypt. There are conflicting accounts whether that happens before or after they go through Rafah.
Serious? If people are calling out Israel for their bullshit and lies, it's probably not because its' an echo chamber - it's because Israel are proven liars.
Ah thank you.
more Israelis calling for genocide...this time with kids
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Well this one for example. Eliding a 30 year old highly distorted story about Israel stealing Palestinian body parts with a dubious Hamas claim that Israelis are digging up bodies at al Shifa now to imply a connection between the two and then call them nazis and demons. It's just a blood libel with a not very well disguised dog whistle. A constant stream of propaganda from Electronic Intifada basically.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/isr...more-discussion.438643/page-550#post-31350228
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How would he be able to guarantee their repatriation though? Regardless of Sisi and his lack of compassion for anyone other than himself, it's not far fetched to assume that whatever Gazan refugees Egypt take in will never return to Palestine.
Caring about fellow Arabs? Hardly. Sisi may act to ease public pressure but it is quite another thing to take responsibility for the welfare of 2.3 million people, many of whom will be seething with hatred at Israel. Israel created the Gaza problem in 1948. Madness to think Egypt would solve it for them.
When the EU, UK, US, Canada, Japan and Australia (plus lots of others) do I'm not sure your point means much, even assuming it is true.
Exactly so. By existing and winning a war to destroy it that it did not start. You've finally got to the root of it. Well done.
By the way Egypt controlled Gaza from 1953 to 1967. When they attacked Israel and lost.
Syria, Jordan and Egypt attacking Israel in 1967 resulted in the situation we see today (obviously not the sole reason) so hard to say they have no responsibility.