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Raoul said:
Looks like they managed to find a few anecdotal observations from a couple of anti-Hamas Palestinians and made an article out of it. As the polling in an earlier post suggests, Hamas’ popularity seems to have gone up since the fighting began, which is pretty normal when populations securitize during war time.
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Do you have a source for that polling? It seems to me it's pretty difficult to accurately poll the population living under an authoritarian government in the middle of a war zone.
 
That_Bloke said:
It absolutely amazes me that for all your wits, you still fail to understand that you can't get rid of Hamas only by using military brute force, thus falling right into the same trap Hamas wants Israel to fall into. You're lagging about 20 years behind and reasoning exactly like the Bush administration did after 9/11.

Israel has about a few weeks, I'd say four tops, before the US calls it a day and pulls the curtain before the whole thing devolves into something that no one will be able to control. The relatively easy and expected progression of the IDF in the first weeks of the war, coming at an immense price for the Gazan civilian population, hardly put a dent on the Hamas numbers. Only about 10% of the Hamas forces have been eliminated, and that's going by the IDF's most optimistic evaluations. A few weeks more will never be enough to wipe out every Hamas member unless you go even further than what's been done in the past seven weeks, which the world will never allow.

You don't seem to understand that Israel's credit has been spent in the weeks before the cease-fire and that they're on borrowed time. The level of violence and disregard for civilian life which would've never been tolerated for anyone else, if it wasn't for Israel's "special case" which allows them literally get away with murder, is generating an immense amount of resentment and anger across the world that will reverberate in the years if not the decades to come, and that's something the current global power holders simply can't ignore. And that's not even talking about the current and future humanitarian crisis and the pressure cooker called the West Bank.

Another 10-15K palestinian deaths will never be tolerated by anyone. Ever.
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10k-15k more and 100k-150k more. Watch them. And a humanitarian crisis with displacements and more deaths. truly believe that they dont care and they feel untouchable with the devine right over the promise land by any means necessary
 
Raoul said:
There was limited shooting both ways during the pause (with dueling accusations of who started it) but not enough to break it. The rockets that were sent into Israel an hour before it expired were obviously a bit more than the sporadic small arms fire.
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I don't know about yesterdya, but both sides clearly broke ceasefire during the past week. Of course, Israelis would insist that Hamas was the only one doing that and that we were soft in response as no one is reporting anything wrong Israel has done.
 
An AI based targeting system called 'The Gospel', feck me.
 
Visegrad spreading misinformation/disinformation again. I hope people remember their antics in this war when focus inevitably shifts back to Ukraine.

 
4bars said:
10k-15k more and 100k-150k more. Watch them. And a humanitarian crisis with displacements and more deaths. truly believe that they dont care and they feel untouchable with the devine right over the promise land by any means necessary
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We don't really need to speculate when Netanyahu has said multiple times the goal is for Gaza to never be a threat again. They'll harry Gaza until it becomes unsustainable and they'll take the land.

Israel under it's current leadership has the morals and zealousness of a medieval state. I'm not sure there's much distinction of it's allies from those that funded the crusades either beyond a pretence.
 
Conor said:
An AI based targeting system called 'The Gospel', feck me.
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It sounds like something Mel Gibson would have come up with if they'd given him a crack at rewriting the script for Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning.
 
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Yuval Doron Castleman, a 38-year-old from Mevasseret Zion, was the first to fire at the terrorists. One of the soldiers who got to the scene immediately afterward thought he was one of the attackers and shot him as he raised his hands. Video from the incident shows Castleman posed no threat. One of the two other soldiers who were also at the scene was wounded by “friendly fire.”

Videos posted on social media show Castleman throwing his gun to the ground, raising his hands, taking off his jacket, and pleading with the soldiers not to shoot. He is then shot in the stomach. Security forces initially responding to the attack assumed he was a terrorist and gave him no assistance
 
Halftrack said:
Where does it say that Hamas killed them?
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Ah, a member of the Owen Jones school of skepticism I see.

The Kibbutz said that three of their residents who were taken as hostages had died after being murdered in captivity. Source.
 
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« A powerful segment from today's Al Jazeera broadcasts in eastern Gaza. The reporter asks a resident of Gaza about the massacres and he begins to tell about it and later says that God will reckon with Qatar and Turkey. The reporter rudely interrupts him in response »
 
Gehrman said:
https://themessenger.com/news/palestine-poll-hamas-support-war-israel-state-river-sea





Anyway about 700 people is still a pretty small sample.
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Thanks. Do you know what the GS and WB regions stand for.

This poll question asks about support for the attack of Oct. 7th not support for Hamas. It's table 27 of the poll. I would be interested in seeing the answers to the first 26 questions.

But, even if the poll is statistically valid in an authoritarian state you have to question if people are afraid to answer honestly.
 
Belisarius said:
Thanks. Do you know what the GS and WB regions stand for.

This poll question asks about support for the attack of Oct. 7th not support for Hamas. It's table 27 of the poll. I would be interested in seeing the answers to the first 26 questions.

But, even if the poll is statistically valid in an authoritarian state you have to question if people are afraid to answer honestly.
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Well its a do you support the military operation by Hamas question? I mean yeah, it could be viewed in a different context, like they support what happened on the 7th of October but dont like governance of Hamas etc. But i think quite obviously this is atm one of the more important questions for the world at large.
 
nimic said:
Visegrad spreading misinformation/disinformation again. I hope people remember their antics in this war when focus inevitably shifts back to Ukraine.
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Learnt a few weeks back that it's an account backed by the Polish party that was recently voted out - they had strange tweets on that election day.
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a statement worth reading
 
Imperfect and edited, of course, but Andrew doesn't do a bad job which is better than mainstream networks on this issue.



 


These settlers are genuinely unhinged.
 
VorZakone said:
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It is astonishing that they refused to mention what report and refused to apologise to father for calling him an actor. I've said it before, I have zero respect to western media, but Israeli media, they are on another level of evil.
 
Giggsyking said:
It is astonishing that they refused to mention what report and refused to apologise to father for calling him an actor. I've said it before, I have zero respect to western media, but Israeli media, they are on another level of evil.
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But why do you have "zero respect" for Western media? They report on Palestinian casualties. They have also showed in the past that Israel's official story on Shireen Abu Akleh didn't add up. They report on the settlements and regularly mention how it violates international opinion.

They're not perfect but don't let that completely cloud your judgement.
 
It appears that MSNBC has decided to cancel Mehdi Hasan's program. Back in October, when I suggested that he was being marginalized and removed from the air, posters such as @Pintu and @calodo2003 vehemently disagreed, asserting that MSNBC wouldn't do such a thing. I'd be interested to hear your current opinions on this matter.

:p
 
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