Probably not Liverpool or Arsenal either, but he certainly would at Man United.
Mason Greenwood | 2023/24 Performances | on loan to Getafe
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Probably not Liverpool or Arsenal either, but he certainly would at Man United.
If Antony scored 18 goals in his debut season I'd be very happy. If he also produced the attacking threat that Mason produced in that clip I'd also be very happy. He is a right forward, that clip shows exactly what he should be doing, there may have been 1 occasion when maybe you could argue he should have passed to Bruno....but guess what....that's what you'll get with a 20yo.
There is a revisionist history going on here. Mason had a great first full season, not a decent or good first full season, a great one based on his age. He struggled in the second season as expected. In the season Ole got sacked myself and many fans remarked that his all round play and linking with the team had improved a lot and matured, even if he wasn't scoring as readily as he did in his first season. Despite that in that last season he even won us a few games. So yes I would take him back as striker or as a winger. Guy has been the best right sided attacker we've had post fergie at the age of 18 and you wouldn't want him back on the right side because of a clip.
Starting to think he deserves a second chance. But only because he and his partner have reconciled.
Still want Sancho gone though
Still want Sancho gone though
Tbh I don't watch Raphinha much so I'd take your words on this. Problem is any RW who can do what you describe at the top level will cost a fortune and I don't think we'd have the money for that. Then the market is just so dire atm. Especially in Jan when no team wanna sell their best players . And we desperately need someone who can dribble can cross can create can score right now. Imo the second half of the season will be very ugly if we can't fix that.
Anyway if Raphinha is no good then let's forget about him.
The Raphinha wankfest on here was hilarious. I remember one poster claiming he's going to show everyone just how world class he is at Barca. That's gone well...
He'd start at City, especially with Mahrez gone.
He wouldn't start over Saka, Salah and Palmer though.
Not if you have good scouts, my friend!
Because we've been so deprived of players with these attributes for so long now, the majority of our fan base have been conditioned to believing that players like this are rare. They're not! There's plenty out there. We just need to prioritise these attributes when evaluating what a player will bring here. We've already been doing it for our developmental teams for a good few years now which has added to my confusion when it's come to what we prioritise for the first team.
Dude, I was labelled a bit of a negative nelly due to this at the time because everyone else was excited but, that summer, when it looked like it was either going to be him or Antony, I was so deflated. I just didn't get how you could watch either of them and think they were good options considering their flaws. Especially physically. You can't be a top wide player here in England without acceleration/pace and the strength to deal with physical duels on top of excellent technique, and both of them were completely lacking in that regard.
Bowen is better than Raphinnia. Comfortably too
What I’ll say is that watching Utd right now is an absolute chore and frankly there’s very little to be excited about at the club. Bringing Greenwood back would be one of the few things we could do that would instantly excite me and make me want to tune in because he’s a player that can just make something happen. He’s capable of creating and finishing his own chances and I think that’s an incredibly rare commodity. That’s not even forgetting that he’s still young and can get even better in the right settup and after regaining his confidence. Personally I see this thread on the page and I’m immediately there wondering if he’s done something else special, very few other threads get that reaction from me.
Palmer? Don’t make me laugh, he’s levels above. Saka and Salah fair enough, both are world class whereas Greenwood only showed the potential. What I would say though is I would never have swapped Greenwood for Saka when both were breaking through so I still think Greenwood could have a higher ceiling.
Agreed. If you read Raphinha's thread on Barcaforum, it's a carbon copy of our Antony thread. Praised for his hard work but so many complaints about his actual qualities on the ball. Though, as @The_Midfielder said before, he does get some praise for his crossing.
If we're going to lose Greenwood to Barca, and that's a big if right now, Raphinha would be near the bottom of the list of players I'd want from them to sweeten the deal.
Greenwood is better than Palmer, obviously. Or, he was I should say. Better than Saka too, though I'd play Greenwood at centre forward for Arsenal. Same at Liverpool, I'd start Greenwood as a 9.
Hope it's true that other clubs are trying to sign him so that there's no chance of him returning. I've backed Ratcliffe, but if he oversees his return then he's done in my eyes. We're such a fecking desperate club with desperate fans, looking for a quick fix.
Kinda want him to come back just to bump the ridiculous overrating happening in this thread. Jesus Christ whats next? He's better than prime Maradona as well?
Well he was better than Saka...
It will be interesting to see how he performs against in that close and potentially hostile atmosphere.
It will be the largest capacity crowd he would played in since January 2022.
It will be the largest capacity crowd he would played in since January 2022.
That is shocking clause to give no matter how you spin it. That is a player whos potentil fee can go up to 40-50 mil. In that case we payed them around 10 mil to have first teamer in their squad.
If we got anything like that the 20% would be a bargain as you couldn't get a packet of crisps for him when Getafe took him on loan.
Well better in natural shooting/finishing, but definitely not anything else. I would say Saka is the most all round winger in world football today, and very productive in terms of goals+aissits too. Greenwood never reach that level of all roundness/productivity/consistency.
He hasn’t reached it because his continuity and development were interrupted for 18 months.
As for Saka, he’s never really impressed me relative to the hype he’s been bestowed. Good player but not particularly entertaining from a winger perspective, nor does his finishing have that wow factor that Greenwood’s does when he’s in form. Whenever we play them, Martinelli is usually the player who concerns me the most.
Based on performances so far this season, yes.
Palmer has been far better this season than Greenwood has and yes I know there are reasons for that but no way in hell is Poch dropping the current Palmer to potentially play Greenwood back in to form.
@Remember the geese Same applies to your post.
You'd think Greenwood is prime Rooney/Ronaldo the way he's been spoken about.
Depends. If Pochettino believes that he can get Greenwood to achieve his full potential, then he will be a far better player than Palmer. He will also be a far better striker than Jackson.
Yes but finishing is only 1 small part of the game, the rest of the game Saka is better and has played better.
I think Saka is the more complete player, but not necessarily because he’s a better player. Greenwood could‘ve easily had his best year during the year he was away from the game, which has set him back in terms of development.
Different opinion then. Saka has impressed me alot over past 2 years or so. I would say he is among top 2 right winger in the world today. Greenwood has potential but thats that, not everyone could reach their full potential. For example, Pogba has higher potential than any other midfielders in the world today, but he is playing far from that level during his peak years with his lack of consistency and decision making. Greenwood share the same weakness in terms of consistency/decision making.
Might have been his worse, who cares about could have? We can only deal with what was.
Changing my mind as well. Mainly because I was on such a moral high horse about it and now just feel absolutely numb from the apartheid and genocide I've been complicit to by being a tax paying American. Feck everything. The world needs more forgiveness and doing better. Hope the Greenwood family is able to fully heal and move on from this.
Agreed. It really incentives Getafe to invest in him, give him playing time, and try to get the best out of him. Which often isn't the case with loanees. Its actually a smart idea.
I love that he is playing well and getting his groove back. Its great to see his progress. I hope he proves me completely wrong. I was completely against him playing for us again, the incidence of repeat domestic abuse is pretty high but if he and his family are able to work this out and a season from now he is doing great as a dad and husband I would love to see him back.
Hes scored 2 goals in 840 minutes. Of course our forwards haven't been exactly firing, but its best for the club, and his family if he moves on.
The hard part is doing it at the top level. And have good GA. Such player is actually quite rare these days imo. Tbh I can't even name one young RW or #9 who might fit the category above and might be cheap.
With how the data industry has evolved in the last 20 years imo it's quite hard to find a hidden gem these days. Most good young players have been closely monitored since a very young age. Then also signed very early by those selling clubs. It's not as simple as having good scouts I think.
Edit: think Amad might fit the category above but he's a bit lightweight for the PL imo. Glad he's fit now so we might see what the lad can do soon.
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He’s still abit rusty. He’ll probably connect his feet and brain properly again by March to which I’m sure our team will still be shite.
People forget but Mason was really good CF...he would start over Gabriel Jesus, Jackson, and even Nunez (given how many chances he misses). GW is a top top talent and he isn't yet fully back to his best (he is still better than all our forwards right now though). It shows with the caliber of clubs interested. if he stays out of the news off the pitch, he will end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona by the time his contract expires.
Based on what we saw of him at United and so far in Spain he wouldn't start ahead of either Jesus and Nunez, both of whom contribute much more to their sides that greenwood did. People forget how much he drifted in and out of games and how little he contributed when he wasn't scoring.
It's hard to imagine what we'd be reading if he were actually tearing it up in La Liga. He's not doing that much and we're already seeing insane overrating day in day out, it almost sometimes reads like a race to prove what fan can overrate him more outrageously.
When he was at United, he was considered potentially the crown jewel of the United squad. But after not playing for nearly 18 months, the only question is whether he can get back on track.
I'm not sure why many here are treating him like some kid who has just come up from the academy or has been unproven.
We know what his potential ceiling is—one of the best teenagers in the world. I am really surprised at how many here seemed to have forgotten.
The only real question is whether he can get back to his projected trajectory.
I'm not sure why many here are treating him like some kid who has just come up from the academy or has been unproven.
We know what his potential ceiling is—one of the best teenagers in the world. I am really surprised at how many here seemed to have forgotten.
The only real question is whether he can get back to his projected trajectory.
A friend of mine watch a lot of la liga and have seen everything from Getafe so far. In his opinion he would walk into our team and probably a lot of the top teams in Europe now.
I have watched a couple games with him and Greenwood got better and better. His crossing with both feet is better than before. We could really need him this season. And his finishing is unreal and that we definitely need.
I have watched a couple games with him and Greenwood got better and better. His crossing with both feet is better than before. We could really need him this season. And his finishing is unreal and that we definitely need.
Showed enormous potential, but also scored 12 goals in his last 50 league games for us - its a fair at best record. People sometimes talk as if he would instantly transform our attack - he showed the same problems and anonymous appearances as plenty of our players through the years
his attitude is shit. we have enough of those kinds of pricks already. give me 11 players that leave everything out on the pitch each game. i don’t care if that means they can’t curl one in from 30 yards.
agreed. there are plenty of teams out there with 'less talented' players, performing much better.
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