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Giggsy PO said:
No, of course not. You misrepresent my point. I am not saying it is not genocide YET. I am saying it is not genocide. Period.

For many people here it is incomprehensible but you can the 2 positions at the same time:

1. The human tragedy of civilian population is terrible. And everybody wishes for it to stop as soon as possible.
2. It is not a genocide.

Apart from real combat on the ground the propaganda/information war is going on. There were countless examples recycled even in this thread (like concentration camp, mass executions, automatically blaming Israel for everything - al-Ahli hospital/parking lot, demonizing Israel, US supporting Israel only because zionists pay off senators etc).

You can disagree, have different point of view. But it should not be difficult to understand that is is equally reasonable position to doubt, disbelieve every information coming out of Hamas controlled institutions.
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I do not trust a word Hamas says, not one and the same goes for the IDF, it's just war-time propaganda. I do not see twitter, bloggers and talk-shows as a source of fact. I do however trust reports coming from the UN and organisations like HRW, UNHCR, WHO, doctors without borders and the likes.

I am not going to post you the links to the official reports and articles because you most likely won't read them anyways or just don't find the organisations themselves as serious. But if you are interested just visit their official sites, they are easy enough to find. Do you know what all these organisations have in common? All are in some way critical to the way Israel is waging this war, some even call for a formal investigations into crimes comitted.
 
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Mike Smalling said:
Some people apparantly think that a genocide is only when you round people up, put them in camps, and execute them.
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We've had people posting the exact definition of genocide and saying "see, it's not genocide" while the definition they posted corresponds exactly to what israel is doing. It's bonkers.

The worst blind man is the one who doesn't want to see and all that...
 
In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control all territory west of the Jordan. This collides with the idea of sovereignty. What can you do?
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Bibi's comments about a post-war scenario. He's not even pretending any longer. He wants Palestine gone
 
Denis79 said:
I do not trust a word Hamas says, not one and the same goes for the IDF, it's just war-time propaganda. I do not see twitter, bloggers and talk-shows as a source of fact. I do however trust reports coming from the UN and organisations like HRW, UNHCR, WHO, doctors without borders and the likes.

I am not going to post you the links to the official reports and articles because you most likely won't read them anyways or just don't find the organisations themselves as serious. But if you are interested just visit their official sites, they are easy enough to find. Do you know what all these organisations have in common? All are in some way critical to the way Israel is waging this war, some even call for a formal investigations into crimes comitted.
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Fair enough. Do you consider Amnesty International to be such organization? And just curious, did you leave out UNRWA on purpose?
 
Conor said:
Jesus, your posts are proper nonsense. I can't tell if you're not the brightest or just treading the line of what you really want to say.
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You dont really have much to say, dont you? Just to attack me. Do you feel victorious?
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
I think most people here, with good reason, think that you either don't hold position #1, or "hold it" in a way that isn't at all similar to how others here hold it. It's a very vague phrase, really. What is the 'human tragedy', who is 'everyone', etc.
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So on one side you are able to say and judge who holds the position in what way. But at the same time it is very vague and you dont know the meaning of “what” and “who”. You know it very well. You are just trying to put it into certain context.
 
Giggsy PO said:
The side which considers fighting (in various forms) to be the way to reach its objectives. So far, it fails every time. Egypt wanted to make peace, there is peace. Jordan wanted to make peace, there is peace.
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:lol:

They made peace after they took their land back by force. You either trolling or ignorant on the issue.
 
Giggsy PO said:
When you take historical perceptive into consideration, we have been here many times. The reply to peace offer was violence. Ehud Barak offered almost everything to Arafat. What was the reply? The second intifada. You cannot blame the Israeli population that they lean more right in the next election.
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"look what you did with your continuous demanding for your right of self determination, you made us racist right wingers, see"
 
Giggsyking said:
:lol:

They made peace after they took their land back by force. You either trolling or ignorant on the issue.
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You mean the result of war in which Egypt attacked Israel and lost?

And you say something about ignorance. Maybe it would be better if you say something about education. I suggest history classes.
 
That_Bloke said:
It always makes me laugh when peole bring that argument and I automatically stop taking them seriously.

I mean, you can find the terms of the Camp David Accord in Wikipedia after a 2 seconds research and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together and/or not completely delusional would see that this "accord" was a farce. The Palestinians already settled for 22% of their original territories, yet Israel with the complicity of the US still stried to strong-arm them to compromise even more, and maintain the total and absolute control of this so-called palestinian state. And then wonder why Arafat walked.

The worst of it was that the Camp David Accord was binding and would forbid the Palestinians to make any further demands or amendements. Without preventing Israel to do whatever it wanted in the future if they felt like it, because Palestine would've had no army to defend itself or control over its own terrritory. It should be also noted that the PA officially recognized Israel in the Oslo Accord in 1995, whilst the latter, and the western countries for that matter, never reciprocated the gesture. To this day.

But hey, gotta go with "pAlesIniAns dOn'T wAnT pEAcE!" narrative.
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Do you know why he comes up with this statement? its because he take Bill Maher words as facts :lol:.
 
Giggsy PO said:
You dont really have much to say, dont you? Just to attack me. Do you feel victorious?
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You're just ridiculously disingenuous, and I really can't understand how anyone with half a brain can have the opinions you have on the topic.
 
Giggsy PO said:
You mean the result of war in which Egypt attacked Israel and lost?

And you say something about ignorance. Maybe it would be better if you say something about education. I suggest history classes.
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Oh, I know it very well, I know the context of the war in 1973 until camp David 1979, have it not been for the force, Egypt would have not got their land back. So yes, they took it by force.
 
Conor said:
You're just ridiculously disingenuous, and I really can't understand how anyone with half a brain can have the opinions you have on the topic.
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Apparently you like to talk a lot about things you dont understand.
 


Highlights in this brilliant video:

1. Derschovitz calls Tutu an anti-Semite. The modern day Ghandi, an anti-semite. :wenger:
2. Israel was a massive supporter of White South Africa and apartheid. Israel hand in hand with Nazis supporting apartheid in SA.
3. Good bits on Starmer, Blair, Corbyn and Lammy.
 
Dumbstar said:


Highlights in this brilliant video:

1. Derschovitz calls Tutu an anti-Semite. The modern day Ghandi, an anti-semite. :wenger:
2. Israel was a massive supporter of White South Africa and apartheid. Israel hand in hand with Nazis supporting apartheid in SA.
3. Good bits on Starmer, Blair, Corbyn and Lammy.
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The Apartheid regime of South Africa directly collaborated with Israel in the 70's and 80's to develop its own nukes.
 
Have any of your workplaces made comment about the Genocide in Gaza?

Did your workplaces make comment on the Ukraine war?
 
Beans said:
I think Gaza will be taken by Israel and never returned.
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Sadly I think this is the most likely outcome. There seems to be no end in sight for this until they’re all dead, in different countries or surrounded by nothing but rubble. It’s so depressing watching this unfold.
 
Is there even anything underground in palestine except hamas infrastructure? Geologists might need a new term for an entire lair of earth's crust that's solely made of terrorist tunnels.
 
maniak said:
Is there even anything underground in palestine except hamas infrastructure? Geologists might need a new term for an entire lair of earth's crust that's solely made of terrorist tunnels.
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The term is "Palestine"'.
 
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