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Those “people” were housing developers that contacted qualifying council house residents who would never be able to purchase their home, offered them the deposit in order to buy the house on the basis the housing developer could then purchase the house off them at a discounted rate.

What it meant is that the person living there got a nice little cash lump sum and probably enough for a very healthy deposit on their own house. Meanwhile the housing developer bought a house for a fraction of the market cost.

Sounds pretty decent if you were one of the people offered money for a deposit. And a huge boon for the developers with the capital to finance the scheme
 


I spent 40 years working in the steel industry in the UK. It's a sad day for all the people who worked so hard to try to keep it going.

Blast furnaces like these use huge amounts of energy and produce loads of CO2. The decision to set a zero CO2 emission target was the death blow for them.

We will shortly buy the steel from China, Korea or India instead and ship it around the world and then claim we saved the planet by reducing our CO2 emissions.

The arc furnaces will remelt scrap and if the energy grid is greenish the steel will be too. But good luck trying to meet the tramp element specs or make rail steels or cheap rebar using arc furnaces. Get ready for huge rises in prices and knock on delays in construction projects.
 
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Edit - so turns out the Labour candidate turned out to be a horrible TERF and the winning Tory candidate was a popular local Lib Dem MP.
Apparently the TERF was firstly suspended for liking a Facebook post comparing blackface to trans women. This suspension got lifted at the last minute and she got to run as the Labour candidate.

I didn’t know the Tory was a former Lib Dem. Although it makes sense.
 
Apparently the TERF was firstly suspended for liking a Facebook post comparing blackface to trans women. This suspension got lifted at the last minute and she got to run as the Labour candidate.

I didn’t know the Tory was a former Lib Dem. Although it makes sense.
Heh his name is Ian Sharer and he's certainly spread the love, according to the local rag.
A veteran local politician who has previously been both a Labour and a Liberal Democrat councillor in his home borough has won a clear victory for the Conservatives in Hackney’s Cazenove ward at Labour’s expense.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-...after-turbulent-cazenove-by-election-contest/

Also that article seems to put it more down to a Jewish community vote and opposition to a low traffic scheme, though it does reference the blackface controversy too.
 
Heh his name is Ian Sharer and he's certainly spread the love, according to the local rag.
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That’s amazing. I’m always surprised how local politics is almost completely detached from national level party stuff or even basic ideology. I remember going to a Labour meeting before the 2017 election and the party chair was a former Lib Dem candidate. It was very bizarre. The British version of Soviet bureaucrats.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-...after-turbulent-cazenove-by-election-contest/

Also that article seems to put it more down to a Jewish community vote and opposition to a low traffic scheme, though it does reference the blackface controversy too.
Thanks. Also the demographics and the traffic scheme makes a lot more sense.
 
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That’s amazing. I’m always surprised how local politics is almost completely detached from national level party stuff or even basic ideology. I remember going to a Labour meeting before the 2017 election and the party chair was a former Lib Dem candidate. It was very bizarre. The British version of Soviet bureaucrats.

Thanks. Also the demographics and the traffic scheme makes a lot more sense.
I don't get how they change sides so often. No idea if they align on certain local issues and switch between parties on that basis maybe.
 
I don't get how they change sides so often. No idea if they align on certain local issues and switch between parties on that basis maybe.
Yep they are so free floating. I understand people can change their politics over time. But I would have thought standing to be a MP means there’s some ideological commitment or else whats the point ?

In my case the guy who was a former 2015 local Lib Dem candidate was pretty much acting as a guide/helper to the 2017 labour candidate. He taking her through the basics of running a political campaign. Tbh we didn’t stand a chance against the tories(I think we were the most unfunded branch in England) so maybe it was just friends helping each other out.

A strange experience.
 
Maybe it's just kneejerking, whatever the government/other side do it must be wrong.

:lol: Spot on! I keeping voting against the government but it keeps on getting back in!

The end of Blast furnaces was always on the cards in a country trying to sell its green credentials to the world.
Big blow for Welsh economy though.
Lets hope our future generations don't ever have the need to produce its own steel from scratch.
 
:lol: Spot on! I keeping voting against the government but it keeps on getting back in!

The end of Blast furnaces was always on the cards in a country trying to sell its green credentials to the world.
Big blow for Welsh economy though.
Lets hope our future generations don't ever have the need to produce its own steel from scratch.
When were being price gouged by China, I'm sure we'll lament it.
 
Heh his name is Ian Sharer and he's certainly spread the love, according to the local rag.

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-...after-turbulent-cazenove-by-election-contest/

Also that article seems to put it more down to a Jewish community vote and opposition to a low traffic scheme, though it does reference the blackface controversy too.

It’s my girlfriend’s Ward. Highest density of Jewish folks anywhere outside of Israel. The Labour door knockers were making it very clear that they expected to be beaten, and that the Palestine situation is the reason why.
 
It’s my girlfriend’s Ward. Highest density of Jewish folks anywhere outside of Israel. The Labour door knockers were making it very clear that they expected to be beaten, and that the Palestine situation is the reason why.
Don't see why though. Starmer is every bit as much of an Israeli apologist as the Tories are.

Unless this community is the orthodox anti-Zionist variety.
 
When were being price gouged by China, I'm sure we'll lament it.

Don't worry, most of UK iron/ steel imports are from the EU (don't mention Brexit) -

Main exporters of iron and steel products to the United Kingdom 2022
Published by Statista Research Department, Dec 18, 2023
Germany was the largest export country of iron and steel products to the United Kingdom. In 2022, approximately 564.7 million British pounds worth of these items were bought from German manufacturers. Following Germany, Spain and Belgium ranked second and third, with 547.5 and 435.5 million British pounds, respectively.


Italy, Turkey and France made up the top 6.
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Don't worry, most of UK iron/ steel imports are from the EU (don't mention Brexit) -

Main exporters of iron and steel products to the United Kingdom 2022
Published by Statista Research Department, Dec 18, 2023
Germany was the largest export country of iron and steel products to the United Kingdom. In 2022, approximately 564.7 million British pounds worth of these items were bought from German manufacturers. Following Germany, Spain and Belgium ranked second and third, with 547.5 and 435.5 million British pounds, respectively.


Italy, Turkey and France made up the top 6.
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I'm so old fashioned, I'd just start about nine here tbh.
 
Don't see why though. Starmer is every bit as much of an Israeli apologist as the Tories are.

Unless this community is the orthodox anti-Zionist variety.

It very much is. Largest Hasidic Jewish community in Europe.

The LTN that was installed also didn’t have exemptions for Jewish private school buses. So a massive clump of people given two reasons to vote Tory.
 
An election can't be far off now, the Tories are clearly going to try and spin the next election as a referendum on immigration. All their recent language about it being a constitutional crisis/will of the people etc suggest they'll take it to the public. I reckon within the next month it'll be announced.

The only other reasoning would be if they're forcing Rishi to go down a path of failure so they can replace him with Cameron. It seems unlikely but they've not a lot to lose.
 
... We will shortly buy the steel from China, Korea or India instead and ship it around the world and then claim we saved the planet by reducing our CO2 emissions.

The arc furnaces will remelt scrap and if the energy grid is greenish the steel will be too. But good luck trying to meet the tramp element specs or make rail steels or cheap rebar using arc furnaces. Get ready for huge rises in prices and knock on delays in construction projects.
No, because that's covered by TCFD reports as Scope 3 emissions. It'll essentially be counted as domestic emissions by the UK company as things stand.
 
It’s my girlfriend’s Ward. Highest density of Jewish folks anywhere outside of Israel. The Labour door knockers were making it very clear that they expected to be beaten, and that the Palestine situation is the reason why.

Oh boy, wait til you get to Muslim Labour strongholds. Or should I say very soon to be ex-Labour.
 
An election can't be far off now, the Tories are clearly going to try and spin the next election as a referendum on immigration. All their recent language about it being a constitutional crisis/will of the people etc suggest they'll take it to the public. I reckon within the next month it'll be announced.

The only other reasoning would be if they're forcing Rishi to go down a path of failure so they can replace him with Cameron. It seems unlikely but they've not a lot to lose.
Not quite that soon, there will be tax cuts in the spring budget, 06th March, first. I'm sure they were hoping for falls in boat people, inflation and interest rates in the near future as well, but those are looking a bit dodgier now.
 
Not quite that soon, there will be tax cuts in the spring budget, 06th March, first. I'm sure they were hoping for falls in boat people, inflation and interest rates in the near future as well, but those are looking a bit dodgier now.

You can bet the Tories will go for time of their own choosing rather than risk being bumped into anything.
They know they can't win, but could play for a 0-0 draw, with the issues you have mentioned forming their low-block tactic; this would still see Labour in government, but not really with the power to make the kind of changes necessary for the majority of people to benefit.
Until Sunak calls the GE date, Starmer should go around with his finger in front of his lips making a 'sssshing' sound... although some people think that's exactly what he is doing right now :lol:
 
Don't worry, most of UK iron/ steel imports are from the EU (don't mention Brexit) -

Won't the EU be cutting back on their Blast furnace capacity as well, or are they not bothered about climate issues?
China is the place to be trading with for new/raw steel in the future, whether we like it or not, since they are retaining their blast furnaces. Apparently it's because they had a late start in the Industrial Revolution and they have the right to belch out as many gases into the atmosphere as the West have done in the past, so to catch up with the West they will go on.... thank you very much for your business.
 
Won't the EU be cutting back on their Blast furnace capacity as well, or are they not bothered about climate issues?
China is the place to be trading with for new/raw steel in the future, whether we like it or not, since they are retaining their blast furnaces. Apparently it's because they had a late start in the Industrial Revolution and they have the right to belch out as many gases into the atmosphere as the West have done in the past, so to catch up with the West they will go on.... thank you very much for your business.

There's a map in the spoiler showing all the furnaces throughout Europe. I have a nephew who works at the Fos-sur-Mer site near Marseille (rather him than me).
 
There's a map in the spoiler showing all the furnaces throughout Europe. I have a nephew who works at the Fos-sur-Mer site near Marseille (rather him than me).

:lol: Yes, me too.... I once visited a Blast Furnace in Wales, or it might have been in Scunthorpe, its years ago (when United were winning PL title every season) ... but phew, thought I had arrived in hell.
 
Won't the EU be cutting back on their Blast furnace capacity as well, or are they not bothered about climate issues?
China is the place to be trading with for new/raw steel in the future, whether we like it or not, since they are retaining their blast furnaces. Apparently it's because they had a late start in the Industrial Revolution and they have the right to belch out as many gases into the atmosphere as the West have done in the past, so to catch up with the West they will go on.... thank you very much for your business.
Well what choice do they have outside of telling the population they have to limit their increase in living standards?

Who tells Nigerians that? Who tells the Mexicans?
 
Come on man. Everyone here seems to be saying this.

Labour had shitloads of policies signed off at conference. Tracker from conference onwards (including summaries). They’ve just aligned them to 5 key missions. Latest Refresh

I can accept anyone reading it, and shooting it to pieces. Whether that’s because they don’t go far enough, are too centrist or whatever. For me, there’s a lot of good in there, some great, and the pursuit of the Missions and policies for a decade would leave this country back on its feet, looking forward.

But politically engaged people, trotting out the line ‘Labour only offer “we’re not the Tories” and don’t have any policies’… Nah.

They’re standing on a pile of fully costed intent, and suggesting otherwise is just enabling the Tories. There’s a reason that these policies aren’t promoted. The Press.
Rumours going around they are going to drop the green pledge

 
Well what choice do they have outside of telling the population they have to limit their increase in living standards?

Who tells Nigerians that? Who tells the Mexicans?

None whatsoever, Governments tell people what they want them to know, just like us. Just like the Nigerians, Just like the Mexicans, just like anyone who is still using Blast Furnaces, these methods pollute, surely the world has to learn something from history, or face oblivion.
China seems to have less problems with convincing its population, it has already lifted hundreds of millions of its populace out of abject poverty.