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Biden administration discussing slowing some weaponry deliveries to Israel to pressure Netanyahu

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration is discussing using weaponry sales to Israel as leverage to convince the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to heed long-standing U.S. calls to scale back its military assault in the Gaza Strip, according to three current U.S. officials and one former U.S. official.

At the direction of the White House, the Pentagon has been reviewing what weaponry Israel has requested that could be used as leverage, said the sources. They said no decisions have been made.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ing-weaponry-deliveries-israel-pre-rcna136035
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
It's not just the double standard that gets me.

The ICJ basically gave western governments an off-ramp. 'Hey these genocide accusations are bad, it's time to start applying more pressure to Israel and ending this shit.'

Instead they simply doubled down on the genocide.
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It's retaliation, pure and simple. Mafia style.

To be honest I expected the SA case to be completely ruled out. Even if it didn't call for an immediate cease-fire, the fact that ICJ didn't wave away the dangers of genocide was a serious blow to Israel and it didn't sit well with the West. They had to do something. Letting aside the incredibly convenient timing of the reveal, the aid to the UNRWA was suspended literally the day after the ICJ's ruling. France and Germany unsurprisingly joined the other mobsters democracies today, to righteously screw the Palestinians a bit more.

There's never been a clearer "Feck you, international law. We decide who's right or wrong".
 
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Giggsyking said:
I was listening yesterday to an Iraqi political analyst, he said the current conflict have driven the west from the east/south further apart that we haven't seen in 2 decades. He mentioned also that the Iraqi PM had a vote from the parliament to expel the international forces and bases from Iraqi soil 3 years ago, but he left the act in his drawer and ignored it until last week, when he suddenly came in an interview and said now is the time to discuss with our friends the withdrawal of their forces and closing their military bases.
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I'd say that it's as bad, if not worse, than during the Cold War and it's not getting better at all.

You have now declarations from high-ranking officials or military commanders in Europe warning against WWIII and calling their populations to prepare for an armed confrontation with Russia. The far-right is on the rise absolutely everywhere. And to top it all, the most powerful country in the world is going to choose between two dinosaurs, each of them a menace in their own right.
 
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Some stuff without tweets.

350 Palestinians have been killed since the ICJ ruling.

The most important UN organization for Palestinian refugees has seen its funding suspended by several nations pretending it's due to allegations that were known to the zionist regime and Americans for a while. These allegations aren't actually the real reason for that decision.

Israeli ministers and Parliament members including some important decision-makers held a conference for the resettlement of Gaza, the tweet above shows part of the plan.
 
The last conversations on this thread reminded me that I was wrong about the US only being complicit.

Edit: France temporarily suspended their funding of UNRWA.
 
Does anyone feel like defunding the UNRWA makes any country doing so actively taking part in genocidal acts? Is this not collective punishment?
 
Raven said:
Does anyone feel like defunding the UNRWA makes any country doing so actively taking part in genocidal acts? Is this not collective punishment?
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No because there is no obligation to fund UNRWA and the UN could move money around(from the regular budget) which will include funding from the same countries. In fact it could easily be a PR stunt where this same countries increase their UN funding this trimester.

The issue is more from a diplomatic standpoint, we already knew that but all the countries that publicly "defunded" UNRWA are twofaced thundercunts.

Edit: Things will be different if we hear that the UN is defunding UNRWA due to pressure from the same countries.
 
JPRouve said:
No because there is no obligation to fund UNRWA and the UN could move money around(from the regular budget) which will include funding from the same countries. In fact it could easily be a PR stunt where this same countries increase their UN funding this trimester.

The issue is more from a diplomatic standpoint, we already knew that but all the countries that publicly "defunded" UNRWA are twofaced thundercunts.

Edit: Things will be different if we hear that the UN is defunding UNRWA due to pressure from the same countries.
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It's pretty fecking heinous to cut off aid to a country that's rapidly starving to death.
 
Raven said:
It's pretty fecking heinous to cut off aid to a country that's rapidly starving to death.
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It's not heinous, UNRWA will still get money but from the UN and it is the same set of countries that mainly finances it. The actual issue here is one of diplomacy and general perception, by doing that they protect the image of Israel. There is also the possibility to finance other NGO's for this trimester, shuffle money to other UN agencies.

Take a step back and think about the fact that these same countries finance the IGO, NGOs and UN agencies that are also financing UNRWA or helping palestinians, in the case of food there is the WFP who currently has a mission regarding palestine and the main contributors are the same countries that are defunding UNRWA.
 
JPRouve said:
It's not heinous, UNRWA will still get money but from the UN and it is the same set of countries that mainly finances it. The actual issue here is one of diplomacy and general perception, by doing that they protect the image of Israel. There is also the possibility to finance other NGO's for this trimester, shuffle money to other UN agencies.

Take a step back and think about the fact that these same countries finance the IGO, NGOs and UN agencies that are also financing UNRWA or helping palestinians, in the case of food there is the WFP who currently has a mission regarding palestine and the main contributors are the same countries that are defunding UNRWA.
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I think its the gesture itself which is seen to have been carried out in very poor taste. Gaza is facing a humanitarian catastrophe, whereas Israel has just been (somewhat) condemned by the ICJ, yet the first move from these Western countries following this is to to publicly defund the organisation that's important in ensuring relief and aid make it into Gaza. Its made it very clear where these countries stand (if it wasn't obvious before that was). Its been nigh on impossible for them to condemn the increasing number of crimes Israel are culpable of, yet they were very swift with this particular gesture.
 
Kaos said:
I think its the gesture itself which is seen to have been carried out in very poor taste. Gaza is facing a humanitarian catastrophe, whereas Israel has just been (somewhat) condemned by the ICJ, yet the first move from these Western countries following this is to to publicly defund the organisation that's important in ensuring relief and aid make it into Gaza. Its made it very clear where these countries stand (if it wasn't obvious before that was). Its been nigh on impossible for them to condemn the increasing number of crimes Israel are culpable of, yet they were very swift with this particular gesture.
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I fully agree the gesture is tasteless, my point is that it's nothing else than tasteless because the reality of the matter is that UNRWA isn't the only UN agency in gaza, it's not the only NGO/IGO in gaza and they are all funded by the same countries. They were swift with this particular gesture because it is an allegation that comes from Israel who just got slapped by the ICJ and is in a rough place when it comes to its image.
 
JPRouve said:
I fully agree the gesture is tasteless, my point is that it's nothing else than tasteless because the reality of the matter is that UNRWA isn't the only UN agency in gaza, it's not the only NGO/IGO in gaza and they are all funded by the same countries. They were swift with this particular gesture because it is an allegation that comes from Israel who just got slapped by the ICJ and is in a rough place when it comes to its image.
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There's no such thing as "tasteless" in international matters. The technical subtleties you're mentioning don't and won't matter to the eyes of the international opinion. The western countries perfectly knew the diplomatic and politic impact it would have, especially given the timing and the fact they would never act the same manner if it was the other way around.

That's a clear show of intent and where they stand.
 
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That_Bloke said:
There's no such thing as "tasteless" in international matters. The technical subtleties you're mentioning don't and won't matter to the eyes of the international opinion. The western countries perfectly knew the diplomatic and politic impact it would have, especially given the timing and the fact they would never act the same manner if it was the other way around.

That's a clear show of intent and where they stand.
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Which is why I qualified these countries the way I did.
JPRouve said:
No because there is no obligation to fund UNRWA and the UN could move money around(from the regular budget) which will include funding from the same countries. In fact it could easily be a PR stunt where this same countries increase their UN funding this trimester.

The issue is more from a diplomatic standpoint, we already knew that but all the countries that publicly "defunded" UNRWA are twofaced thundercunts.

Edit: Things will be different if we hear that the UN is defunding UNRWA due to pressure from the same countries.
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Giggsyking said:
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Blinkers will come up with some soft 'we don't approve of that sentiment' cop out response, whereas Biden will secure yet another multi million dollar weapons package for Israel, reminding us he hasn't spoken to Netanyahu in a month because he's very disappointed in him, all the while they'll look for another relief agency to defund because the Israelis alleged they were sneaking cat food to Hamas.
 
That_Bloke said:
It's retaliation, pure and simple. Mafia style.

To be honest I expected the SA case to be completely ruled out. Even if it didn't call for an immediate cease-fire, the fact that ICJ didn't wave away the dangers of genocide was a serious blow to Israel and it didn't sit well with the West. They had to do something. Letting aside the incredibly convenient timing of the reveal, the aid to the UNRWA was suspended literally the day after the ICJ's ruling. France and Germany unsurprisingly joined the other mobsters democracies today, to righteously screw the Palestinians a bit more.

There's never been a clearer "Feck you, international law. We decide who's right or wrong".
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the cynicism is endless. those involved will never get what they deserve.
 
Sky News is possibly the most rabidly pro-Irsaeli outfit to exist. Everything it does with respect to Israel is framed in such a way as to always exclude criticism of the general premise, sociological, of Israeli ethnic cleansing, impossible to deny, really, whether we call it apartheid or not, of the Palestinian population. It doesn't exist on Sky News. BBC, every now and then, do mention it. It's rare, but you see it occasionally.

Murdoch is pro-war and all his news channels have been pro-war since as long as I can remember. Pro-Western Hegemony maybe.

The death-toll in Gaza is outrageously high but typically asymmetrical with respect to this conflict. One terror attack, no one can deny it, by Hamas, countered by another terror attack except by an army which is assured a qualitative advantage against regional "players" ("war game" terminology noted). The grim fact, then, is that said army, which the US maintains (in part, not wholly, as do most EU states in political-economic terms) is now turned to actual genocide. Just under 2% of the entire population of Gaza has been murdered. Might be >3% by the time it ends. That's outrageous.
 
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RedTiger said:
You have no idea whether those 12 Hamas members were in positions of integral decision making within an international refugee organisation.
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It was sarcasm.
 
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