SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.

I seem to catch it late August every year. Just started feeling under the weather so suspecting it's the 'vid again.
 
Ah shit here we go again


 
I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
Ahh don’t tell me that, I picked up a cough in the last 2 days of my holiday and it’s just got chestier as time has gone on. I’m now on antibiotics. Didn’t take a covid test as we don’t have any left in the house
 
My mother who has cancer and is going through chemo has caught COVID. She tested positive today and she does not have a stock of the antiviral tablets. They are still prescription only and the local chemists have to order them in so the earliest she can get them apparently is Monday. I believe the hospitals have a stockpile of them but we have no means of contacting the right people there who can get these to us tomorrow. I really don't know what to do in this situation - it seems that if you are vulnerable and contract the virus on a Friday you're just left stranded for a few days.
 
I've just been told she has a temperature of 38.5. feck
 
I've just been told she has a temperature of 38.5. feck

I know this probably won’t make you feel much better but the benefits of those antivirals are pretty marginal. Make sure she’s taking regular paracetamol to take the edge off her temperature but don’t worry too much about the fever. Main thing is to keep an eye on her breathing. If she’s not too chesty (and most covid cases these days are just bad head colds) then there’s nothing to worry about. Even though she’ll feel like crap. Did her oncology team give you an out of hours contact number?
 
I know this probably won’t make you feel much better but the benefits of those antivirals are pretty marginal. Make sure she’s taking regular paracetamol to take the edge off her temperature but don’t worry too much about the fever. Main thing is to keep an eye on her breathing. If she’s not too chesty (and most covid cases these days are just bad head colds) then there’s nothing to worry about. Even though she’ll feel like crap. Did her oncology team give you an out of hours contact number?
Okay thanks for the info. I believe we do have a contact for the Marsden and my Dad's trying to get through as we speak. She sounded wheezy when I spoke to her earlier. She's in bed and not answering her phone so I can't speak to her at the moment about her symptoms until my dad finishes his call.
 
Well wishes to your mum @P-Ro

I tested negative the other day from one of my old lateral flow tests but feel like I've been rolled over by a train. Constant exploding migraines which barely abate with tramadol+paracetamol, and a nose that runs faster than McTominay away from the ball. Can barely stand. Bought some benacort from Amazon fresh despite the ridiculous fee, which seems to have worked for a few hours but now I've woken and am a mess again. Headache less now but weird sneezing and coughing from one size of the body which obviously doesn't help the sore through. Pain in the ass whether its flu or covid or whatever.
 
New Omicron sub-variants spreading fast in Australia.

Time for me to get a booster methinks.
 
Tested positive last night :( feeling pretty rough from whatever this variant is.
 
I caught it late November, tested negative on Dec 5th but didn't really feel properly back to normal until about 21st/22nd December. Piece of shit illness.
 


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?
 


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?


Witnessed what? People treating randoms on the internet, like I don't know... a funeral director, as experts in areas they have no training?

The fringe antivax lunatics were always a dangerous nuisance, but the cover they were given by politicians who used the COVID vaccine as an election issue has spurred them, and their new conspiratorial conscripts, to wildly dangerous heights.

The damage done to people's faith in medical science is abominable and I fear that revolutionary strides in therapeutic and prophylactic mRNA based treatments may be stunted, if not killed.
 


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?


That guy in the video is a total crank. An interesting case study of someone who started off well intentioned and had some relevant training but the lure of the YouTube grift took him more and more out of his depth. To the point where he was consistently talking ill informed conspiratorial bollox on topics he knew nothing about. I’ll watch this video later but it’s a safe bet it’s more of the same.
 
Witnessed what? People treating randoms on the internet, like I don't know... a funeral director, as experts in areas they have no training?

The fringe antivax lunatics were always a dangerous nuisance, but the cover they were given by politicians who used the COVID vaccine as an election issue has spurred them, and their new conspiratorial conscripts, to wildly dangerous heights.

The damage done to people's faith in medical science is abominable and I fear that revolutionary strides in therapeutic and prophylactic mRNA based treatments may be stunted, if not killed.

That guy in the video is a total crank. An interesting case study of someone who started off well intentioned and had some relevant training but the lure of the YouTube grift took him more and more out of his depth. To the point where he was consistently talking ill informed conspiratorial bollox on topics he knew nothing about. I’ll watch this video later but it’s a safe bet it’s more of the same.

OK, I get your default position. But can you speak to the actual information. Why is there a rise in excess mortality, especially young people. Why are huge blood clots being found that weren't before? I'm just interested in people's take on that, not the messengers really.
 
OK, I get your default position. But can you speak to the actual information. Why is there a rise in excess mortality, especially young people. Why are huge blood clots being found that weren't before? I'm just interested in people's take on that, not the messengers really.

If you’re interested in learning about disease epidemiology and public health there’s a load of medical journals you can wade through. Here’s one, for starters. These are where you find legitimate research on any meaningful new morbidity or mortality trends.

What I definitely would not recommend is watching a YouTube video hosted by a known crank, in which the “expert” he’s asking about this supposed public health crisis is a fecking funeral director!
 
If you’re interested in learning about disease epidemiology and public health there’s a load of medical journals you can wade through. Here’s one, for starters. These are where you find legitimate research on any meaningful new morbidity or mortality trends.

What I definitely would not recommend is watching a YouTube video hosted by a known crank, in which the “expert” he’s asking about this supposed public health crisis is a fecking funeral director!
Amen. Cheers for the link, interesting reading.
 
OK, I get your default position. But can you speak to the actual information. Why is there a rise in excess mortality, especially young people. Why are huge blood clots being found that weren't before? I'm just interested in people's take on that, not the messengers really.

Maybe it's something to do with the funeral director? He's got skin in the game.
 
Witnessed what? People treating randoms on the internet, like I don't know... a funeral director, as experts in areas they have no training?

The fringe antivax lunatics were always a dangerous nuisance, but the cover they were given by politicians who used the COVID vaccine as an election issue has spurred them, and their new conspiratorial conscripts, to wildly dangerous heights.

The damage done to people's faith in medical science is abominable and I fear that revolutionary strides in therapeutic and prophylactic mRNA based treatments may be stunted, if not killed.
It's horrific and they always seem to forget that COVID, in of itself is damaging to the heart etc. Brutal illness.
 
If you’re interested in learning about disease epidemiology and public health there’s a load of medical journals you can wade through. Here’s one, for starters. These are where you find legitimate research on any meaningful new morbidity or mortality trends.

What I definitely would not recommend is watching a YouTube video hosted by a known crank, in which the “expert” he’s asking about this supposed public health crisis is a fecking funeral director!

I appreciate the link. I was a bit hesitant to go into this thread with anything counter to accepted opinion as I wasn't keen on the condescension, but I will read through what you linked here. Cheers.
 
That guy in the video is a total crank. An interesting case study of someone who started off well intentioned and had some relevant training but the lure of the YouTube grift took him more and more out of his depth. To the point where he was consistently talking ill informed conspiratorial bollox on topics he knew nothing about. I’ll watch this video later but it’s a safe bet it’s more of the same.
I remember really liking his videos at the start - they were very simple and informative at an hysterical time. Around 6 months after the vaccines he went totally mad - you could always sense he an undertone from him - very anti-EU etc but it was well hidden for a while.
 
@Bastian

Here's some specific information re excess deaths in the EU, pre and post covid.

Excess mortality in the EU during COVID-19 pandemic
During the month of March 2020, the number of deaths rose rapidly in some European countries when compared with the average number of deaths in the period from 2016 to 2019. The COVID-19 pandemic affected every part of the EU; however, its impact was not evenly spread. The highest peaks of a higher-than-average number of deaths during the first recording of COVID-19 cases in March-April 2020 were initially recorded in Italy and Spain, followed by France, Belgium and the Netherlands. During the period between March 2020 and February 2021, the EU experienced two waves of excess mortality: the first between March and May 2020 (reaching a 25.2 % excess rate in April) and a second between August 2020 and the end of the year (reaching a 40.0 % excess rate in November, the highest rate for the whole year). In this second wave, excess mortality rose in all EU Member States, this time with a geographical prevalence in the eastern part of Europe (Poland, Bulgaria and Slovenia reached an excess of more than 90.0 % in November 2020). Excess mortality reached a third peak in April 2021 (20.9 %) then decreased to a low of 5.7 % in July 2021, with some countries reaching a total number of deaths close to - or even below - the 2016-2019 baseline. During summer 2021, the downward trend reversed again and the EU rate increased in September to reach 12.8 % over the baseline period. Finally, in autumn-winter 2021, there was a fourth wave of excess mortality, this time with the EU rate reaching 26.6 % in November and 23.7 % in December 2021.

In 2022, excess mortality in the EU generally stayed at lower levels, at around 10 % except for July-August and December 2022. In July and August, when heatwaves affected parts of Europe, there were respectively 58 145 and 52 479 additional deaths. The excess mortality for these two months was exceptionally high (17.1 % of the average number for the same period in 2016-2019 for July and 13.9 % for August). In December 2022, excess mortality was the highest of the year and stood at 20.3 %. In 2023, excess mortality saw major decreases. In January 2023, it was 4.2 % of the average number for the same period in 2016-2019. In February 2023, for the first time since February 2020 (pre-COVID-19 pandemic period), there were no excess deaths and the indicator fell below the baseline to -1.1 %. In March and April 2023, excess mortality rose slightly to 1.3 % and 4.2 % respectively. In May 2023, when the World Health Organization declared an end to the COVID-19 public-health emergency, the excess mortality in the EU was 3.6 %.

Worth a read if you're curious about this topic. From a legitimate source and more digestible than public health journals!
 
It's horrific and they always seem to forget that COVID, in of itself is damaging to the heart etc. Brutal illness.
Absolutely. One also needs to look at the death rate before and after vaccines were introduced. It’s night and day.
I am sure that there will have been a group of people adversely affected by vaccines, it was new to the market so always had that risk. Likewise I sure that there are another group who blame the vaccine but most likely had damage caused by Covid or something else.
at the end of the day governments were really damned if they did or damned if they didn’t on this issue
 
I remember really liking his videos at the start - they were very simple and informative at an hysterical time. Around 6 months after the vaccines he went totally mad - you could always sense he an undertone from him - very anti-EU etc but it was well hidden for a while.

Yeah, he was a good teacher. I think that might have been his day job? He was a nurse who was involved in CPD, I think? His descent into madness was grimly fascinating. I put it down to the classic interplay between online grifters and their followers with more clicks and traction the more extreme their views but good point about him being an anti EU brexiteer beneath it all. That must had added fuel to the fire.
 
Yeah, he was a good teacher. I think that might have been his day job? He was a nurse who was involved in CPD, I think? His descent into madness was grimly fascinating. I put it down to the classic interplay between online grifters and their followers with more clicks and traction the more extreme their views but good point about him being an anti EU brexiteer beneath it all. That must had added fuel to the fire.
Likely the algorithm trapping people into an ever-descending info spiral of stuff that just triggers confirmation bias.
 
Absolutely. One also needs to look at the death rate before and after vaccines were introduced. It’s night and day.
I am sure that there will have been a group of people adversely affected by vaccines, it was new to the market so always had that risk. Likewise I sure that there are another group who blame the vaccine but most likely had damage caused by Covid or something else.
at the end of the day governments were really damned if they did or damned if they didn’t on this issue
Yeah, since I got CV19 in Mar 22, the entire year was a write-off, I've never felt anything like it and was at times stuck in bed, convinced I was dying/having a heart attack. A brutal feeling and I still feel shit/can't exercise.
 
Yeah, since I got CV19 in Mar 22, the entire year was a write-off, I've never felt anything like it and was at times stuck in bed, convinced I was dying/having a heart attack. A brutal feeling and I still feel shit/can't exercise.
Sorry to hear that. What’s your quack done, or said?
 
Sorry to hear that. What’s your quack done, or said?
Erm, nothing.

I collapsed with chest pains in a mall about three weeks post-COVID Covid and they took me to a local hospital, ECG's fine, blood pressure high. Then it happened again, and again and again. Just feeling the weirdest feelings, almost like falling, like internal the pressure is dropping and I'm almost slipping away. Very scary.

Booked me in for CT scan, heart x-ray, echocardiogram, adominable scan etc, showed nothing, calcium score zero, did barium swallow as well. Only thing was hypertension/high BP.

Nothing else was given except "long-covid", no blood clots etc. Took 7 months but then started feeling better but in reality I can't exercise as I feel really weird, just fecking odd when I elevate my heart rate. 2023 was much better but I can't really exert myself and my BP is still high.

Sorry for the diatribe :lol:
 
Plenty of "light" reading here on Cell Press and here on The Lancet but I'm n

Disclaimer: I work for the publisher of these journals but I'm not biased, mainly because it's mostly Double-Dutch to me :smirk:
 
It still amazes me that people will point at excess mortality rates after a global pandemic of a potentially deadly illness that infected a billion people and think that the killer is the vaccine.