SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Caught my first bout of covid last week but it was very light. Was very worried as last Sunday my legs started tingling and I thought my reactive arthritis was coming back. Luckily(?) It turned out to be covid.

Had my last booster 2 years ago so either the vaccinaciones are lasting longer than I thought or the strain is being diluted to a point where the symptoms are less than the common cold.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
Caught my first bout of covid last week but it was very light. Was very worried as last Sunday my legs started tingling and I thought my reactive arthritis was coming back. Luckily(?) It turned out to be covid.

Had my last booster 2 years ago so either the vaccinaciones are lasting longer than I thought or the strain is being diluted to a point where the symptoms are less than the common cold.
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Once vaccinated, even if you don't have the boosters, the protection level against illness remains high, even though we're not really protected from catching it. Combine that with the latest strains being relatively mild and a lot of people won't feel bad at all.

It is still putting people in hospital and some are dying. But we're now in the same territory as we are with diseases like flu that can hit some people hard and colds that can be dangerous to the old, the infirm and the unlucky.

It's a very different place to where we were three years ago. Get well soon!
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
Caught my first bout of covid last week but it was very light. Was very worried as last Sunday my legs started tingling and I thought my reactive arthritis was coming back. Luckily(?) It turned out to be covid.

Had my last booster 2 years ago so either the vaccinaciones are lasting longer than I thought or the strain is being diluted to a point where the symptoms are less than the common cold.
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I got a cold on my way home from Manchester last week and its still there. This is something i noticed to, the leg tingling, is it a normal covid/flu sympthom?
 
jojojo said:
Once vaccinated, even if you don't have the boosters, the protection level against illness remains high, even though we're not really protected from catching it. Combine that with the latest strains being relatively mild and a lot of people won't feel bad at all.

It is still putting people in hospital and some are dying. But we're now in the same territory as we are with diseases like flu that can hit some people hard and colds that can be dangerous to the old, the infirm and the unlucky.

It's a very different place to where we were three years ago. Get well soon!
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Thanks jox3 but I really have nothing in the way of any bad symptoms. Took my first positive test last Wednesday, then another today which is still positive. Very slight runny nose which for me is almost habitual.

I'm still taking all the precautions like mask on at work or public transport but I've noticed many others who could be showing signs of symptoms aren't doing the same which is only going to prolong the situation.
BootsyCollins said:
I got a cold on my way home from Manchester last week and its still there. This is something i noticed to, the leg tingling, is it a normal covid/flu sympthom?
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No idea mate but maybe better to get a test done in case you're unwittingly infecting other people.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
Thanks jox3 but I really have nothing in the way of any bad symptoms. Took my first positive test last Wednesday, then another today which is still positive. Very slight runny nose which for me is almost habitual.

I'm still taking all the precautions like mask on at work or public transport but I've noticed many others who could be showing signs of symptoms aren't doing the same which is only going to prolong the situation.

No idea mate but maybe better to get a test done in case you're unwittingly infecting other people.
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They recomend us not to get tested here. I have stayed home as i always do anyway when im sick and getting much better now. Was just curious about the tingling thing as i never experienced that before.
 
Always thought that it escaped from a lab, coincidentally there just happens to be such a lab in Wuhan.
 
The Corinthian said:
So...the conspiracy theorists were right?
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Yeah looks that way although this has been a fairly credible theory for quite some time now I think, pretty sure the Biden admin has been open to it lately. But I do remember initially there was a real reluctance to accept the possibility, despite the obvious circumstantial implications of the location of that lab.
 
2cents said:
Yeah looks that way although this has been a fairly credible theory for quite some time now I think, pretty sure the Biden admin has been open to it lately. But I do remember initially there was a real reluctance to accept the possibility, despite the obvious circumstantial implications of the location of that lab.
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That article is paywalled. We’ve known for ages that the lab was in Wuhan and what experiments they were doing there. Does the Times investigation turn up any new information?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That article is paywalled. We’ve known for ages that the lab was in Wuhan and what experiments they were doing there. Does the Times investigation turn up any new information?
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If you open the thread it gives the main points of the article.
 
2cents said:
Yeah looks that way although this has been a fairly credible theory for quite some time now I think, pretty sure the Biden admin has been open to it lately. But I do remember initially there was a real reluctance to accept the possibility, despite the obvious circumstantial implications of the location of that lab.
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Yea, my comment was slightly tongue in cheek. I do remember the prevailing narrative when it first came about was that it's due to the wet markets in China and there's been some pathogen that jumped from bat to human or whatever.
 
I don't really get that article, it seems to imply that the virus was natural but found in caves and not disclosed. They then worked on the virus and engineered a version of it with a very high kill-rate. Then the virus escaped, but it was the original one rather than the "super virus", but able to transmit between humans.

It still seems far more likely to me that the virus mutated to transmit between humans based on the scenario he puts forward. It's not like viruses don't do that all the time anyway.
 
Had to wear a mask for the first time in years on Saturday as my Mum is just beginning chemo and masks are still mandatory on chemo/cancer wards. Not a big problem and entirely understandable - one of my mates from work's Mum had leukaemia and actually died from Covid rather than the cancer as her body's defences were so low.
 
2cents said:
Yeah looks that way although this has been a fairly credible theory for quite some time now I think, pretty sure the Biden admin has been open to it lately. But I do remember initially there was a real reluctance to accept the possibility, despite the obvious circumstantial implications of the location of that lab.
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The US want that to be true but all independent analysis that I've read points to it not being bioengineered and patient zero being at the wet market with a jump to humans from an intermediate host that caught it from a bat (or possibly another intermediate host).

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00584-8
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348752/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348750/
 
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Government TV ads in Australia are now urging all adults who haven't had a jab in 6 months to get a booster.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
All adults? Everyone >18? That’s nuts. Or incredible marketing by Pfizer et al. Kudos.
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Yes.

They are treating it like they do the flu. Trying to keep hospitalisations down especially in winter and minimise the economic/productivity impacts. I'll be getting 2 a year indefinably. The only difference is that the flu shot is only free for kids, the retired and those on social payments and covid is free for everyone. That said the flu shot it is only $15/20 and a huge number of businesses pay for it as it has a big productivity benefit.

And loons aside anti-covid measures are very popular. WA had the biggest election landslide for labor at the last election based on their almost total pandemic lockdown. They acted fast enough to keep it more or less out until vaccinations arrived which made the restriction for those in the state before the borders closed minimal. Even in Victoria where the lock-downs were the worst due to the huge outbreak needing to be controlled it turned out to be electorally popular despite everyone hating the actual lock-down.
 
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2cents said:
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The only conspiracy theory I have regarding the lableak is that it relates to optogenetics which is indeed about as conspiratorial as it gets but I don't see why else you'd be messing around with adenoviruses (or SARSs, which is not an adenovirus but in optogenetic terms, isn't a million miles away (kind of stuff they test on rats to then see if blue light/green light signals work)). It's all very cloak and dagger but I'd like to see a report on the state of Chinese optogenetics as of 2019. Could be complete nonsense but using an inhalation device rather than direct injection to the bloodstream (in rats) has been done, is being done, etc., and if you're talking about serious credibility of lableaks, then it's not out of range to consider what the feck biological warfare type labratories are doing the first place. Other than that, I've always, too, optogenetics aside, (niche enough), considered this was a human made virus that spilled into the public domain.

What's the wave situation like now? I was infected a year or so ago for the last time. A nasty bastard of an infection despite innoculation.
 
neverdie said:
The only conspiracy theory I have regarding the lableak is that it relates to optogenetics which is indeed about as conspiratorial as it gets but I don't see why else you'd be messing around with adenoviruses (or SARSs, which is not an adenovirus but in optogenetic terms, isn't a million miles away (kind of stuff they test on rats to then see if blue light/green light signals work)). It's all very cloak and dagger but I'd like to see a report on the state of Chinese optogenetics as of 2019. Could be complete nonsense but using an inhalation device rather than direct injection to the bloodstream (in rats) has been done, is being done, etc., and if you're talking about serious credibility of lableaks, then it's not out of range to consider what the feck biological warfare type labratories are doing the first place. Other than that, I've always, too, optogenetics aside, (niche enough), considered this was a human made virus that spilled into the public domain.

What's the wave situation like now? I was infected a year or so ago for the last time. A nasty bastard of an infection despite innoculation.
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Adenovirus’s are the most commonly used vehicles for virus delivered gene therapy. We (scientists) have been “messing around” with these guys for decades. The rest of this post is better left unaddressed.
 
WI_Red said:
Adenovirus’s are the most commonly used vehicles for virus delivered gene therapy. We (scientists) have been “messing around” with these guys for decades. The rest of this post is better left unaddressed.
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Yes, that's the point. It's a lableak post. Entirely speculative but then the entire issue is speculative. No one knows, is the short answer, as to how the virus was released. That's why we have lableak theories competing with bat to human (or whatever) transmission. It is within the remit of biological warfare labs, and so on, to "mess around" with such things for all sorts of reasons (as you'd know) and none of them might be for gene therapy (beneficient as in your field, which, I'm assuming now, is not biological warfare).

Anyway, I think lableak. As to how/when/why/who, it'll come to be known in time. Rest of the interchange is indeed best left unaddressed. As someone who's had the virus, like most, and innoculations, like most, I do not do conspiracies (but lableak seems less conspiratorial by the week).
 
neverdie said:
Yes, that's the point. It's a lableak post. Entirely speculative but then the entire issue is speculative. No one knows, is the short answer, as to how the virus was released. That's why we have lableak theories competing with bat to human (or whatever) transmission. It is within the remit of biological warfare labs, and so on, to "mess around" with such things for all sorts of reasons (as you'd know) and none of them might be for gene therapy (beneficient as in your field, which, I'm assuming now, is not biological warfare).

Anyway, I think lableak. As to how/when/why/who, it'll come to be known in time. Rest of the interchange is indeed best left unaddressed. As someone who's had the virus, like most, and innoculations, like most, I do not do conspiracies (but lableak seems less conspiratorial by the week).
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But that’s the point, even if it was a lab leak that does not mean it was an engineered virus, much less a bio weapon. Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples. We’d receive them, culture them, and then sequence specific parts of their genome that we used for typing. We often would follow this up with genetic manipulation (insertion of an antibiotic resistance gene for example) to assist in further research. The point is that even if this was a lab leak, which I still am not convinced of, it is most likely that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
 
WI_Red said:
that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
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Not saying it was meant to be leaked, I mean it was likely nefarious, if we use that term at all, insofar as they were experimenting with it. Does anyone know Chinese protocol regarding such things? I do not believe it was intentionally released, at all, and do believe it was - if leak is true - experimentation of the precise kind you're speaking about.

Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples.
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But for whatever reason - it just leaked. Zoonotic experimentation in China, you'd know more, but I'm guessing it's relatively normal in bio-labs given the presence of Coronavirus (bat reservoires).

Anyway, not trying to get bogged down into conspiracy theories. Just do think it will be revealed as lableak in years to come very conclusively (no point speculating on it now, for my part, until it is confirmed or denied as such).

There are all kinds of reasons Chinese researchers would (were as it goes) be interested in studying strains of this virus. It's just not insane to think it leaked. I won't say it is a lableak, conclusively, becuase I cannot prove it, but it isn't impossible (and many scientists, mostly not Chinese it has to be said, think likely). Could just be news is not giving me the full scientific value, you, again, might know better (or Wibble here). I initially said it was a species barrier issue. Removal of bat habitats and then viral jump (wet-market or whatever).
 
WI_Red said:
But that’s the point, even if it was a lab leak that does not mean it was an engineered virus, much less a bio weapon. Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples. We’d receive them, culture them, and then sequence specific parts of their genome that we used for typing. We often would follow this up with genetic manipulation (insertion of an antibiotic resistance gene for example) to assist in further research. The point is that even if this was a lab leak, which I still am not convinced of, it is most likely that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
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I see a mistake being the most likely cause, in letting a natural virus which was studied get out. In that sense the risk is always there, as long as the studies are ongoing and loads of countries do that.

What I do see as nefarious and unconscionable is the direct lie by the Chinese Govt that they had no reason to believe it was human to human transmissible, when they had plenty of evidence that it was. Countless lives lost world wide because of that deliberate and very stupid decision.

From early January as events unfolded.
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Chinese officials say there have been no cases of the virus spreading from one person to another.
Instead they say the virus has crossed the species barrier and come from infected animals at a seafood and wildlife market in Wuhan.
Prof Ferguson argues: "People should be considering the possibility of substantial human-to-human transmission more seriously than they have so far.
"It would be unlikely in my mind, given what we know about coronaviruses, to have animal exposure, be the principal cause of such a number of human infections."

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LilyWhiteSpur said:
How did u feel? I have no headache just like a fever, hot and cold and ache all over. Also feel a few palpitations, and very hard to get to sleep.
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Slight headache, tiredness and the chills for a couple of days. Knew I had it though before I did the test as I’m rarely poorly.
 
Somewhere between interesting and no shit Sherlock. Or perhaps both simultaneously.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...care-workers-covid-transmission-rhinotillexis

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I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
 
El Zoido said:
I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
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Imagine going watching that shite and it catching covid for your troubles on top of it all! Hope you feel better soon.
 
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