You gave the answer, they are 11th because they've bottled it
Gary Neville
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Can be annoying at times but never understood the hatred from our fan base
Because they should have won about 3-0 in normal time
Because the team Liverpool put out was hardly their 1st eleven.
Bottling has become a pretty overused word. If you're "bottling it" week after week, you're just shite.
I thought he was a Poch fanboy too? Does he know with that statement he slammed the guy who he wanted as United manager all those years?
No because GNev doesn't really blame Poch. He bypasses him whenever there's blame to be handed out and he just launches grenades at his favourite punching bag, Todd Boehly.
Really not sure what there is to disagree with in his statement.
I think that Neville isn't a particularly good commentator or pundit, but is great in the relaxed 'Stick to Football' banter and 'Overlap' interview settings.
It's funny that Simon Jordan really seems to be irritated by him though. Jordan criticises him on a regular basis, but Neville never responds (unless he has done and I missed it), which only seems to wind up Jordan more.
I do think that there is jealously there. There is a clear hierarchy, and relatively speaking Jordan is of course a nobody and irrelevance in the football / football media world compared to Neville. They both love the sound of their own voices, and Jordan clearly wishes he had the same reach that Neville does.
It's funny that Simon Jordan really seems to be irritated by him though. Jordan criticises him on a regular basis, but Neville never responds (unless he has done and I missed it), which only seems to wind up Jordan more.
I do think that there is jealously there. There is a clear hierarchy, and relatively speaking Jordan is of course a nobody and irrelevance in the football / football media world compared to Neville. They both love the sound of their own voices, and Jordan clearly wishes he had the same reach that Neville does.
I guess my issue is that if Fulham or Crystal Palace had lost to Liverpool, we wouldn't call them bottlers. Chelsea aren't much better off than them based on the table. People still judge Chelsea by the spending and the name rather than their record.
He's got be the most annoying person on the scene. Always tries to give an alternative opinion, and only provides context when it suits him. If it's a manager or person he rates, he'll defend there 20% win rate with x, y and z but when it's Rooney or someone it's simply he failed, he got a 20% win rate.
Even on TalkSport, they will bring in FFP experts to speak about Everton and potential ramifications and he'll still try to be the loudest voice and most knowledgable. I remember he brought Eddie Hearn on and tried to cut him down - then when it turned out he was wrong, he refused to admit it or apologise and just went off on some other tangent.
Agreed. I don’t rate him at all.
I honestly think that he is able to ‘trick’ so many listeners into thinking that he is clued up and has tremendous insight, purely because he speaks ‘posh’ / eloquently and throws in fancy words here and there.
It’s like how posh speaking politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg are able to con far too many members of the public for too long, into thinking that they have ‘gravitas’ and have expert knowledge about any political issue. If either of them spoke with a broad or even noticeable Essex accent for example, many of those people would think that they’re complete idiots.
I don't think it's the result that makes Chelsea bottlers. It's the fact they were on top in a game full of kids but when it got to extra time then panicked and tried to see it our until penalties. That's what makes a bottler for me. It's weak mentality and a cowards way out.
If they'd had a go and got caught with a sucker punch then I'd agree with you.
I don't think there's a single legitimate argument for it not being a bottlejob. We had them on the ropes and then Klopp threw on a bunch of kids I had never heard of. I was happy when I saw that because I thought we had them right where we wanted them. Then we proceeded to shit the bed and play worse against the kids than we did against their starters.
Yep, you bottled it for sure.
You'd have thought from watching it, it must've been a fitness issue as the dropoff from last 10 minutes of normal time to extra time was huge. However you did have Madueke and Mudryk fresh off bench.
And Nkunku and Chalobah. We made 4 subs vs their 6 subs but our subs were big money signings plus Chalobah who’s a seasoned veteran compared to the players Liverpool were subbing on. We just bottled it.
This timestamped bit cracked me up, Keane had enough
Fekk off Neville. Says he’s never seen a goalkeeper have cramp and immediately accuses Onana of cheating.
To be fair, he was.
He’s ecstatic City are winning.
"the England team should be built around him", always the sign of a shite pundit when they come out with this line
He's not though is he?
He is a cnut, I usually just mute him when I watch the game.
Fecking cretin
A turd on comms.
Twat
Love him
Dislike him as much as you can realistically dislike anyone in football.
Like a pair of fake tits on old granny. He and Carragher.
I just don't see what you posters all see. Thought he was pretty balanced after the game. Gave us props for our set up and not being as open as we usually are.
Even mentioned all the injuries. If anything it was Keane who criticised us more
Even mentioned all the injuries. If anything it was Keane who criticised us more
I think it's on commentary that people generally have an issue with him. He's usually fine on punditry work.
I didn't watch on Sky though, so no idea how he was for yesterday's game.
The guys a tool. Gets an hard on over city and the scousers nowadays.
They are the two best teams. What would you like him to say?
He has to be impartial and neutral on comms though. If city are ouyplaying us he has to go with them. It's his job.
I usually think the reaction to Neville is completely over the top here, but as someone with no skin in the game (not a United fan), I thought he was really awful on comms yesterday. There's being objective about what you're watching and then there's looking at everything one team does through a pessimistic lens, which is what Neville was doing with United even when they were holding up quite well in the first half. It's like he came in prepared to be beaten and his commentary reflected that.
He's become worse as a commentator the longer he's done it, and he seems especially bad when United are playing because he can't strike the balance between being an objective and fair professional, and an emotional, often needlessly negative fan coming in with a ton of baggage. I don't need him to lie to me about how well United are doing, but I also don't want to listen to a doom-mongering fan moan about everything his team does for 90 minutes (even if he is right, which he very often is not).
Weird take on Haalands miss yesterday claiming he was trying to be too clever putting it in the top corner. Clearly just got too much on it going for the cushioned finish and connected with wrong part of boot.
United player going down never seems to be a foul now in his eyes, always diving instead.
United player going down never seems to be a foul now in his eyes, always diving instead.
Don’t see the problem with him to be honest . It’s not his fault City are miles ahead of us
I mean you could hear him nearly cumming his pants when Rashford scored so I’m not sure that’s true.
He’s a pundit and commentator who has to talk about what’s happening in football, and he isn’t lying when he says City and Liverpool are miles ahead of United.