forget it man, he just gonna ignore this like the rest of stuff that clearly show he's wrong.
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forget it man, he just gonna ignore this like the rest of stuff that clearly show he's wrong.
On the contrary, Palestinians would accept a two state solution as long as they have full control of their borders and land, like any normal country have. It's Israel that don't want to concede this
The Palestinian authority's position is to call for a Palestinian state composing of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as its capital. In other words the territories considered occupied and Palestinian by the United Nations and most of the international community. The Israeli government however has rejected this, with Netanyahu historically boasting about how he'd sabotaged any notion of a Palestinian state. The only time the Israelis were willing to entertain the idea was by adding a heap of caveats and stipulations, which would deny Palestinians genuine autonomy, freedom of movement or any real military control. Essentially an legalised occupation.
Its clear this is the only viable solution, and one that can be enforced if the US decides to actually sanction Israel for its colonial activity in the West Bank, as well as its occupation of East Jerusalem and blockade of Gaza. Again Israel are the unwilling party because the status quo and an apathy towards the peace process solely benefits them. So long as the international community refuses to intervene with a heavy hand, the Israelis know they can continue to raze Palestinian homes, build new settlements, and make life as miserable as possible for the Palestinians to encourage a mass exodus, just as they had done in 1948. That's always been the approach and plan.
Not even sure what meaning the word "ceasefire" has anymore in this context, given the involvement of an invading genocidal terrorist army. It's not two warring parties.
Israeli forces and Hamas are exactly the same. Both are murderous terrorists, that revel and celebrate the suffering of innocent.
Who the fek are you?
This is a love story for the ages
The US needs to be scrunched up, chucked in the bin, and started again.
Gigantic journalistic scandal by the NYT.
Yeah it's mental and when curtain is pulled back, the lies and the influence are shown, it does nothing but embolden antisemitism
Disgusting.
At what point does this whole charade collapse?
The US is desperately trying to save face for their little colonial project in the Middle East, while the rest of the world can recognize that a genocide is on-going. I really wonder what these American UN officials, State Department officials, and Biden spokespeople really think. Are they just people without a conscience furthering their career, or do they actually believe in what they are saying and doing?
When we accept China as the next real world power and align with it's CBDC (currency). They're no saints either, but they are are now a damn sight lesser of an evil than the States.
Not sure if serious.
At this point put everything on the table. For some ingrained in their background it will be harder to stomach. Push through it.
You manage to have terrible takes in every part of the forum, it's quite amazing
Turning from a super power that supports genocide to one that actively commits genocide doesn't seem like the solution to me.
You manage to have terrible takes in every part of the forum, it's quite amazing
The consequences of the innocent starting statement, "I support Liverpool".
It's just geopolitics, all other concerns work backwards from US interests. I doubt they actually support Israeli actions, they just don't care about the human cost of publicly supporting it.
It doesn't really make a difference to the dead, I hope these people will be haunted by their actions. As always they'll eventually retire and do interviews saying how much they regret it.
Just cold hard politics is my guess. Israel is a strategic ally so they'll support Israel. As for domestic elections, maybe the Biden administration calculates that Arab-American votes aren't impactful enough.
Those are just guesses. I'm just amused that the spokespeople (Kirby etc) have to be wheeled out all the time to say the same shit.
This country needs to be sanctioned.
Even the blurred image of the man who was run over is horrifying, and that's really an understatement to describe this evil.
@4bars You say the Gaza genocide deniers should be answered relentlessly. Maybe but I think we're very close to the point when they should be shunned in society like deniers of other atrocities.
@4bars You say the Gaza genocide deniers should be answered relentlessly. Maybe but I think we're very close to the point when they should be shunned in society like deniers of other atrocities.
Which is doing which one, again? Palestine isn't a standalone first time incident. There is no other super power other than Russia and China in the game.
Imran Khan tried moving baby steps towards China's CBDC. We know where he is now, and with whose support. Very small example I know.
Edit: I can't believe I'm starting to forget him already.
Rest in power Aaron Bushnell.Just saw the image it's awful, such disregard for human life. And it looked like a kid to me.
Its reaching the point where you do wonder if the US even has a threshold for how much is too much.
The Israelis might as well just commit to full genocide, safe in the knowledge the US will block any diplomatic efforts to curtail them.
Asked all the right questions but couldn't give any straight answers. Even US politicians know Israeli actions are not defendable yet here we are. It's bizzare.
You can heavily criticise what the United States (and Israel of course) is doing, but acting like China is somehow morally superior is an insult to the Millions of people who suffer from the Party regime inside and outside of China.
The struggle was amazing, you can see what he wants to say but he can't actually say it.
I agree with you. But, there is something that you need to understand. People and specifically middle eastern, has been victims of wars perpetrated by exclusively the west. If you run a poll on what they would prefer to be aligned with at the moment (the west or China), I would be shocked if western camp would get more than 25% of the poll. I mean it is a series of massacres, and colonial wars, resources theft for the past 110 years, France killing more than 1 million Algerians, Italians in Libya, atrocities perpetrated by the British from 1916 in the region until very recently raging an unlawful invasion to Iraq causing the death and suffering of millions (plus 5 m refuges) that if we exclude destroying a stable country in Libya and exchanging the government with a bunch of Islamic fanatics.
The world does not evolve around the west and the world is not only western Europe and the USA. I do not say that easterners should turn their heads and embrace China, but I say you should understand why the public in the east/south would think that way, and instead of pushing them into the arms of China and causing more polarising to the world, you should come into more common grounds with them.
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Absolute fecking insanity. I haven’t seen this kind of violence ever. Israel has gone mad.
The fact they could commit whatever war crimes they want and get away with it makes me sick. What a cruel world man.
The fact they could commit whatever war crimes they want and get away with it makes me sick. What a cruel world man.
This is exactly it - it's the same in the subcontinent too (Afghanistan, & Pakistan particularly). It's obvious the US posters (or Europeans posters) would find it hard to believe given its a football forum for a UK based team, but the reality is that the world doesn't end on the border of Eastern Europe. China, for all of its ills, has invested heavily in Africa and has been on the charm offensive in the Middle East. It's not a hard decision to see who these states would prefer getting into bed with.
The guy that said it lives in London.
As long as the US is there to keep throwing vetos left and right Israeli forces can do whatever they want. Israel are just as brutal if not even worse than the Russians but hey, that's all OK because they are allies. Hypocritical bullshit, all of it. I've tried to hold my tongue a long time but it's just heartbreaking what is going on.
Would your political views about voting Trump or Biden change if you moved abroad from the united states?
Another thing. I am not embracing his point of view. I am talking on the background of the geopolitical conflict and why it would take more than few simple lines from west camp to push them away from the China camp.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying he responded to a guy who I think is Scandinavian, as someone living in London, and said that 'We' need to move towards China. If he wasn't talking about Western Europe, then it wasn't very clear.