Keir Starmer Labour Leader

Tyrion said:
Are Labour offering anything anymore? It's unusual in just how many of their promises they've abandoned before winning office.
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This is the issue some are missing I think. In his efforts to be bullet proof to Tory/ right wing media talking points, he offers almost nothing, except slightly less culture wars and slightly less corruption.

Which makes a lot of people shrug their shoulders and think what's the point?
 
africanspur said:
This is the issue some are missing I think. In his efforts to be bullet proof to Tory/ right wing media talking points, he offers almost nothing, except slightly less culture wars and slightly less corruption.

Which makes a lot of people shrug their shoulders and think what's the point?
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I think this was always his plan, this isn't a byproduct.
 
Raven said:
I think this was always his plan, this isn't a byproduct.
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It definitely seems like it. I just think its a bad plan. Even just 1 or 2 things would give some carrot to voters. Instead it's like he's completely stopped appealing to anyone to the left of Theresa May.
 
neverdie said:
Question being, do you think the Tories could sink any lower in polling? They were at 14% in one poll I read. That's where the Lib Dems were once upon a time and everyone laughed about how with fptp they were an irrelevancy. Labour is on course for a blowout election if those numbers (say 20% for the Tories instead) hold and I don't see how they won't.

They should be more aspirational (Thatcher irony) in their declared position given the gap but then they might say they're threading a fine line between letting the Tories implode and not being seen to be "left wing" in a propagandized, or traumatized, soon to be post-Tory Britain.
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I mean polling a certain way in advance of an election no one knows is happening means not that much imo, the Tory middle ground will always tighten up when it comes to nut cutting time they always do
 
Tyrion said:
It definitely seems like it. I just think its a bad plan. Even just 1 or 2 things would give some carrot to voters. Instead it's like he's completely stopped appealing to anyone to the left of Theresa May.
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Yeah but his goal is to remove the left from relevance and completely disenfranchise us, so far he's delivering on that.
 
africanspur said:
This is uniformly the most toxic thread on the CAF at the moment. People who otherwise I reckon hold many overlapping views (other than nickm, who seems to revel in winding people up with how he talks) end up sniping at each other nonstop, in increasingly personal ways.
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It is, and the only positive aspect of this thread is it tends to keep the worst of the bickering and name calling out of the Westminster politics thread.
 
africanspur said:
This is uniformly the most toxic thread on the CAF at the moment. People who otherwise I reckon hold many overlapping views (other than nickm, who seems to revel in winding people up with how he talks) end up sniping at each other nonstop, in increasingly personal ways.
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It's not a deliberate wind up. I cannot stand groupthink, that is all, and by god this forum reeks of it sometimes.
 
nickm said:
It's not a deliberate wind up. I cannot stand groupthink, that is all, and by god this forum reeks of it sometimes.
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So you hate all political parties? Isn't politics literally just lots of different groupthink?
 
Starmer on a small boat alert!

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He's really bought into the Freeports idea. Oh dear.
 
'Simply wrong': Labour reject EU offer of 'free movement for under-30s'

Is there a good reason as to why Labour aren't on board with this? Seems like an easy win to get young people onside, or are they are assuming young people will vote for them no matter what just cos?
 
redcucumber said:
'Simply wrong': Labour reject EU offer of 'free movement for under-30s'

Is there a good reason as to why Labour aren't on board with this? Seems like an easy win to get young people onside, or are they are assuming young people will vote for them no matter what just cos?
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Just absolutely terrified of doing anything that might rock the boat even slightly, probably.

Haven't thought a lot about it, but if it did happen I'm sure you'd get an amplified contingent of bitter people who are angry because Brexit means Brexit and they hate anyone getting anything they don't get themselves
 
redcucumber said:
'Simply wrong': Labour reject EU offer of 'free movement for under-30s'

Is there a good reason as to why Labour aren't on board with this? Seems like an easy win to get young people onside, or are they are assuming young people will vote for them no matter what just cos?
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Just gotta wait for that pivot once they're in power.

Or something.
 
I mean he can still apologise and say I made a huge mistake by supporting collective punishment. But no, he chose to lie in the day and the age of technology that he can not hide, but he is a politician, although not a smart one, but a politician who is expected to be full of lies.
 


Thank god I am not British otherwise I would have to choose to vote between Sunak and this donkey.
 
Giggsyking said:


Thank god I am not British otherwise I would have to choose to vote between Sunak and this donkey.
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I mean there's always the option for third party votes which is what I'll be exercising. Granted you can call it a 'wasted vote' thanks to our cursed FPTP system, but at least it won't be on your conscience that you contributed to granting a mandate to either one of these cretins.
 
Kaos said:
I mean there's always the option for third party votes which is what I'll be exercising. Granted you can call it a 'wasted vote' thanks to our cursed FPTP system, but at least it won't be on your conscience that you contributed to granting a mandate to either one of these cretins.
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Agree
 
Welcoming Tory MPs whilst purging those with left leaning values… It will be more of the same shit when this liar gets elected as PM.
 
Giggsyking said:


Thank god I am not British otherwise I would have to choose to vote between Sunak and this donkey.
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It's horrible. I live in an area where the Green candidate has a good chance of unseating the sitting Labour MP, so will be voting that way.
 
The Faiza Shaheen stuff is unforgivable.

This cnut is like Michael Corleone in estate agents clothing.

Wanker.
 
After about 18 months of being told it was a pointless exercise and a waste of money (around £2m by all accounts), he's finally given up the legal case against former staffers.

Unfortunately he's not going to allow himself to be around anyone during the election campaign who can bring this up and what it says about his decision making.
 
Luke Akehurst being parachuted into a safe seat should be enough for these gowls to lose the election. Utter scum and clear corruption.
 
Raven said:
This is as clear as it gets. To think that racist, genocide supporting piece of shit sat on the NEC and isn't under investigation by the EHRC is laughable.
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Not just on the NEC, starmer put him in charge of candidate selection for various parts of the country, notably liverpool.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Not just on the NEC, starmer put him in charge of candidate selection for various parts of the country, notably liverpool.
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Complete and utter corruption, he's a despicable fecking cretin. I'm extremely worried about what these cnuts will do when they get sniff of power.
 
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