Imagine posting on a Man Utd forum and being surprised Man Utd fans don't think it's quite right that Man City have engineered this whole situation illegitimately.
Thinking cannot be your friend.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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Imagine posting on a Man Utd forum and being surprised Man Utd fans don't think it's quite right that Man City have engineered this whole situation illegitimately.
Thinking cannot be your friend.
City should get punished and I hope do get significant punishment, but I care about what the players have achieved on the pitch. Regardless of how that group of players came about. Those players care about the success they have achieved over the years.
I am not surprised and I don't think it's jealousy. The whole "no one cares" is what interests me when it's obvious the football world cares about them irrespective of the charges
And big up to Lance and Ben as it's their incredible performances that count, not how they achieved them.
Unless City players are all asthmatic..yes big up to their incredible performances
Who is Ben? Johnson?
How can what they have done be admired when we know it has only been achieved first by not complying with rules of the competitions they are playing in, and second when the club merely exists as a sportswashing exercise.
The players can polish their trophies, and count their money, but imo they have forfieted any right to be respected and admired by rival fans and the media.
Their player threads on here is all you need to know about whether they are reapected and admired on a United forum let alone in Europe and the World.
Because it's 11 against 11? And not against the 11 of the absolute best footballers in their positions. They are not winning every competition they play in year in year out? I find it very easy to separate the two.
The same way people can be excited about getting Omar Berrada or something, the former Ciry executive while knowing that he most probably was involved in whatever City are cooking.
I am not disputing they have fantastic players, and very talented people running the club, what I am saying is you can't say 'Oh I know they are accused of cheating but aren't they great at what they do', you could say, 'the players are great, but isn't it a shame they've had their careers tainted by all this'.
I mean there is a chance they could be thrown out of the league, even have alot of the trophies they have won taken from them, then what? Do you still look back and say what a great team they were?
I've heard this bullshit argument trotted out by their defenders time after time. They've still got to do it on the pitch.
None of the playing staff currently at City would have ever considered going to City if it wasn't for the money. The money was obtained by cheating, so who cares what the players do on the pitch, it's all false.
None of the playing staff currently at City would have ever considered going to City if it wasn't for the money. The money was obtained by cheating, so who cares what the players do on the pitch, it's all false.
Would you care as much if it was a globetrotter team? Assembled from all the best clubs to go on parade as the best of the best? Or do you care because it's your club benefitting?
They could easily afford that though. The punishment has to be more than financial.
Yes yes it’s truly magical what brute force money and systematic fraud can achieve
I agree that the punishment needs to be more than financial but that level of fine/payout would still be significant as a supplemental consequence, as it would restrict their spending in the near-future under PSR rules. MCFC the entity would have to pay that out for book purposes, not their owners.
There is an election looming. Labour are perceived to be more on the side of fans; focus groups show there are votes associated with football, not just for foreign oligarchs, but for regional representatives. That’s why JR is advocating a Wembley of the North. It’s putting pressure on a political pain point.
Good post that sums up the mood music today. The Guardian, the Athletic and contributors to a number of other media outlets either addressing it directly or angling in the direction of sportswashing, artificial competition, lack of jeopardy, etc. I hear that there is discussion in political circles about legislation etc, and concern that City winning next year is inevitable if unsanctioned. One way or another, this is coming to a head.
The only real deterrent against cheating for state-backed clubs is to take their success away from them, which means voiding their titles and trophies. That’s the difference between normal clubs and state-backed, a £350m fine is a slap on the wrist to City Group whereas it would leave other clubs in ruin.
Embarrassing club with their fakery and Poznan celebration.
I am not a City fan. Feck City. Send them to the national league for all I care.
Madrid had tried that model with the Galactico era and it was fair on Osasuna and Deportivon Alaves because it was "organic" money..yea yea...
Organic, earned, local businessman (cough) instead of foreign sheikh
Rules are rules though. There were none when Chelsea and Madrid did what they did so it is fine. And if City are found guilty they can't complain of any punishment meted out, they knew the risks.
Anyways, Oliver Kay has a really good article in the Athletic on the topic
Honestly, without sounding too hyperbolic, if the PL don't deal with this how it should be dealt with it could be the beginning of the end of the league.
The Super League starts to look more and more appealing.
The Super League starts to look more and more appealing.
Yeah certainly is but just don't see them ever being stripped of their titles like Armstrong was
It’s the only actual punishment that can be given that would send a message to these entities that cheating won’t be tolerated. But yeah, it’s not going to happen.
Yeah that Poznan thing is a bit cringey. The only good thing Noel Gallagher has ever done was refuse to join in with it
I don't know, he did well not making some of the shite Blur churned out.
Perez might actually be Thanos, after all.
He and Liam are good musicians, shite people, and shite footballing wise. Politically, Liam’s sound, Noel not so much.
That Oliver Kay article had some relevant points.
But in an attempt to sit in the fence it did not acknowledge that the whole Manchester City football team is built on cheating. Even if you enjoy watching their style of play, it is disingenuous to not associate those quality players with the charges of cheating. They paid for those players using inflated sponsorships and have done for years.
Allegedly.
I'd happily see City, Barca and a few others feck off into a Super League to be honest. Let them be independent cheats away from the proper game.
That’s literally like saying no one can change your mind that Lance Armstrong was the most naturally gifted cyclist ever?
That Oliver Kay article had some relevant points.
But in an attempt to sit in the fence it did not acknowledge that the whole Manchester City football team is built on cheating. Even if you enjoy watching their style of play, it is disingenuous to not associate those quality players with the charges of cheating. They paid for those players using inflated sponsorships and have done for years.
Allegedly.
Oh they are, no question (allegedly, hehe). They would not be where they are today and in 2018 (where the charges end for now) without external funding.
The PL does have to prove it though.
And I think Kay's point is that the idea of financial cheating is more abstract than directly doping players on the pitch; I know the comparison is hated on here but United and Chelsea should be much, much better if it was only about money, and that there is a level of sporting competence that they've built (enabled by that money) that is distinct, according to Kay, from the money. It's no wonder that Sir Jim poached Omar from them and is trying to replicate their structure on this end.
Now of course, it's personal choice whether you choose to separate the two or not, when it comes to City.
Completely agree with you, if as rumoured by that City twitter thing they are found not guilty them could definitely see the Super League coming up again
Yeah we need a scaremongering tactic
Keir should go into full dictator mode, and stand in front of the Emirates shouting about how Arsenal's main challengers for the league are being banned to the Scottish 5th division. In full kit wanker attire, no less.
sounds legit, Pigeon.I think the most telling shift is Barney Ronay in his Klopp tribute straight out saying It…
“Chuck in the fact they’re also facing 115 Premier League financial charges…”
“Chuck in the fact they’re also facing 115 Premier League financial charges…”
As it should.
How would you rate their driving skills?
I wouldn’t know, I’ve never seen them driving.
Of course you need a good structure and processes to be successful. But when some of the accusations are for under the table paying off players and/or ex managers, then the true total amount of City spend would not be known. Which is why Peps recent comments were absolute rubbish.
If you have "unlimited" funds then mistakes don't matter, just add another zero to the sponsorship list and go again.