He's won the joint most trophies of any manager post Sir Alex and he's had by far the worst injury crisis of the lot.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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He's won the joint most trophies of any manager post Sir Alex and he's had by far the worst injury crisis of the lot.
So, I know this sounds like some bullshit story that Jay from the Inbetweeners would make up but I feel like it's my obligation to share thisSteve Mclaren's dad had a round of golf with my dad in York this afternoon and, according to him, Ten Hag and his coaching staff have been asked to resign but they're not budging.
Also, less interesting news - Steve is planning to retire very soon anyway to spend more time playing golf.
My dad and his new 88 year old mate are planning on having another round of golf this weekend. More (hearsay) updates to follow.
This is the sort of quality insights we need in this thread. Keep sending your dad golfing please.
Yes, and it's completely destroyed the financial edge we had over the rest of the league. We're in a precarious situation now.
You didn't answer OP's question. What would be your breaking point?
Not now no, because we've wasted the best part of £400m on a load of players but the squad is arguably in a similar/worse shape now than it was in 2022.
My expectations for any new manager are the same. We have enough quality players and we spend enough to finish in the top 4 or close to it. So that should be the minimum expectation every season. Beyond that just like with Ten Hag I'd hope any new manager would be able to get the team challenging for the league by his 3rd year. Or at the very least show some positive progress in terms of performance, consistency and playstyle that make us look like we're not far off challenging.
I don't mind being patient but a manager has got to be showing something. You can't have someone in place that just writes off a season to persist with a bonkers system that isn't working. Ten Hag lost my trust with that decision, now I suspect we would just be wasting our time with him if we kept him on. I personally think managers should earn time and patience.
These constant Southgate links are worrying !
I'm only marginally Ten Hag In but there's context that needs to be used here.
Some of the teams above us this season are potentially at their strongest in the last 30 years.
The ridiculous amount (like an actual anomaly) of injuries which everyone seems to be ignoring.
The shit show of a media storm surrounding our club for the past year regarding stupidity of players, ownership etc.
Combine the first three points with the fact he's not really been here THAT long. If we are going to reset again, then we can't complain about 'not trying to create longevity and stability'.
Listen, I don't have an allegiance to ETH. I wasn't his fan as a kid, when he was a player. I am not an Ajax supporter and I am not Dutch. I form my opinion based on what I see. I see is a guy with a very good attitude, someone who has shown he can have his team playing beautiful football which amounts to success. Someone who has won us two trophies (not that easy believe it or not). Someone who protects the player's that deserve to be protected, and does not take crap from anyone.
I think one more year, and if it doesn't work out, then we can say we had a fair crack at it - but now would be too early after such a turbulent season for many reasons, not always controllable by the manager.
This really should’ve been sorted by now.
Not qualifying for the CL or EL.
Yes and even in our worst decade in 40 years we made the UCL in half of those and never spent back to back seasons outside of it. Doing so for 3 straight years would absolutely cripple us in terms of buying power
Who have they been interviewing? I take it you were one of the candidates. Who else were in the waiting room? Tuchel? Zidane? Oh please tell me Zidane was there.
Yeah must be some feckwittery at play.
So you want Eric to title challenge but dont think the squad is good enough to challenge?
The 400m wasted, granted is wasted, which is a failure from both the club and the manager. So what does a manager need to do to earn your trust? Play good football?
I think we want to take the easy way out, hire a new manager, say we will give him time and patience, give him 2 years and then start fresh again.
Is it actually by the worst injury crisis? How does it compare to the one we had under LVG?
I will continue to keep my finger on the pulse as long as you guys promise not to tell Fabrizio. I'm sick of him taking credit for my hard work.
So you’d be fine keeping him if he got 6th in his 3rd season here
No but he wasn't making top 4 or even higher with that many injuries. He did get 3rd last season, and didn't have this amount of injuries.
Stuff from the nightmares.
A manager has to show signs that he's worth patience. Performing like a bottom half side after spending £400m doesn't.
I'm curious...if these reports are to be believed (for the record, I don't) why wasn't Ashworth recommending Southgate for the Newcastle job when he was there?
Even Romano was saying that managers have been spoken to in the last week are you suggesting all the media are wrong on this?
His current employer gave him a bonus to ruin United.
Can these Southgate rumours please evaporate.
No I just said in the last post, I now don't expect us to challenge next season (or the one after) with Ten Hag because of the poor job that's been done with the squad building.
Well as I said in my last post, a manager won't earn my trust by willingly tanking an entire season because he's too proud to abandon a system that isn't working. Beyond that and speaking generally, same as my last post there needs to be progress season on season.
But they have to be showing something after 2 years to earn a 3rd year mate. The club can't afford to just say to a manager they'll be patient with them regardless of results/performances. 2 years is long enough to improve a team. Time is earned.
Ashworth has too much time in his garden now. Too much free time leads the brain to conjure up some shitty ideas.
Arteta shouldn't have survived his two 8 placed finishes (or whatever it was) but he did and things worked out. There was zero indication that would happen, yet here we are.
So, clinging to some blind hope that ETH will turn this around likely won't happen as Arteta was a complete anomaly. I can't even think of any other manager in modern times who has survived finishing a season like ETH had, kept their job and had success. People will say Klopp but Liverpool fans were full sure early on that he was the man and they could see the progress. Not to mention that he came with a very good track record and done brilliantly in Europe with Dortmund.
If he starts next season then so be it. But, I would have extremely low expectations.
In the season with the worst injuries under LVG, the squad had 39 injuries.
This season under ETH, the squad had 60 injuries.
Fair enough, I do understand the logic why he should be sacked.
Ten Hag's football this season was dreadful I agree.
I suspect you wouldnt want to hear any reasoning either? In terms of injuries, off field issues ? Just he spent 400m for 8th so he should be sacked?
Who would your choice be to replace him btw?
I don't believe we did have 60 injuries this season.
The BBC says we had 45, Chelsea 43, Newcastle and Brighton 41.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o
Is Southgate looking for a new contract, and use us to get the pay up like everyone else?
I refuse to believe the rumours.
I refuse to believe the rumours.
During that season, no matter who came in or out we played the same way. It didn't matter if the players were 'suited to possession football' or not we kept the ball. Smalling, Rojo, Young, Fellaini were constants and they were not 'possession' players. Nor Lingard, Blackett, Paddy McNair or Borthwick Jackson.. That is my biggest issue with Ten Hag. Your system should be constant - how well it is executed is down to form, players etc.
Can someone pop round to Ashworth's garden and have a word with him. Southgate managing Manchester United is almost as bad as Bozo being Prime Minister.
Everyone wanting to give ETH another trial run are going to feel mighty stupid in November when Ashworth hires his favourite clown.
#EtHIn
Well yes he should be sacked for his performance this season. Where we ended up and more specifically the fashion in which we ended up there shouldn't be in any way acceptable for a guy who's being paid £9m per year. Van Gaal, Jose and Ole got sacked for less.
I do appreciate the injuries affected us this season, but for me it doesn't explain dropping 5 places down the table. And finishing on 15 points less than 22/23 with a negative GD. When we finally abandonded crazy ball in the lead up to the cup final, even with players still out and a make shift defence we looked a much more solid side. Where could we have finished if he'd done that in January?
The off field issues this season amount to him banishing Sancho who I got the impression he's never really fancied as a player anyway. We still had Garnacho, Antony, Amad and Pellestri as RW options so I personally don't think that had much of an affect on the season. Greenwood similarly was a total non issue for Ten Hag.
Yep that is the million dollar question, I cant answer that either. I have said it few times, any competent manager should get a team defensively solid against lower PL teams. I agree he has made mistakes.
The only reason I would keep him is due to the options available, I feel are not that great.
Say Alonso, Nagglesman or the like were available, yes get rid but when the options are Poch, Southgate, Tuchel, Di Zerbi.
The one thing I dont understand is why is it that every manager that comes with a philosophy but can never implement it at United. We get worse as a team with every manager.