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Although I'm not sure if this Hamas stuff is just for show or something they actually believe. All previous reports indicate that they know the idea of a full destruction of Hamas isn't realistic.
 
That much is obvious but that makes what the US are doing even more dangerous. In pretending a deal is solely being rejected by Hamas they're providing political cover for Israel and Netanyahu to prolong the war and risk civilians.

The main pressure against Netanyahu was internal, to make peace for a hostage release. The US spin is intentionally or not playing into Netanyahu's hands and easing that pressure.

It also calls into question Biden's influence over Netanyahu. The reality is that Bibi is going to do what is political advantageous for him, not what Biden wants him to do. The fact that he is using Republicans in Congress as top cover to insulate himself from any pressure the WH exert on him will only enhance his position and further tie Biden's hands after Bibi addresses Congress soon.
 
The Israeli ambassador said just yesterday on CNN that they couldn't accept the detail in the proposal so why are the US still pretending otherwise? Strange to see a western democracy gaslight in real time.

Both parties seem to agree on stage 1 so there's a clear fault in how this has been pushed through.

Western media is actually more unreliable than Israeli media, so it's not that unsurprising. Israel's tactic is minimizing coverage, while the US goes for misinformation.

For instance, a few weeks back Hamas launched rockets at military camps close to the Kerem Shalom crossing. They killed a few soldiers. Israeli media either said nothing, or accurately reported that military targets were hit. Israel chose to close the crossing as a consequence, even though nothing was damaged. Western media, mostly American media, falsely reported that Hamas attacked the border crossing and therefore no aid could come through.
 


He's not wrong.

Netanyahu and the right wingers want Hamas out of Gaza, which means no ceasefire

Sinwar probably thinks the war and subsequent international condemnation has Israel on the back foot, which benefits the Hamas political position. He is also keenly aware that whatever hostages he has under his control are the last bargaining chips he has to keep himself alive.

Biden and his team are making a public spectacle that they are actively trying to broker a ceasefire deal for domestic consumption, knowing that a lasting ceasefire is never going to work as long as Sinwar remains in business in Gaza.

All three point to no lasting deals for the foreseeable future.
 
think it was posted here before, in case it wasn't:



something that struck me was that these look like military-age men. in the final debates about the numbers after the end of this slaughter, they would have been pretty uncontroversially put into the "Hamas" pile.

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Disgusting images from Jerusalem

 


It is obvious, they want hostages released, but no ceasefire. Only donkeys like Blinken will parrot nonsense statements that Israel accepted the deal unequivocally.
 
He's not wrong.

Netanyahu and the right wingers want Hamas out of Gaza, which means no ceasefire

Sinwar probably thinks the war and subsequent international condemnation has Israel on the back foot, which benefits the Hamas political position. He is also keenly aware that whatever hostages he has under his control are the last bargaining chips he has to keep himself alive.

Biden and his team are making a public spectacle that they are actively trying to broker a ceasefire deal for domestic consumption, knowing that a lasting ceasefire is never going to work as long as Sinwar remains in business in Gaza.

All three point to no lasting deals for the foreseeable future.

It's more simple than that. Hamas want a permanent ceasefire, Israel does not.

 


I'm not sure how you ever walk back from such evil thoughts. Maybe it's just coping strategy but once you elevate yourself above others to that extreme I'm not sure you'll ever truly recognise it as wrong.
 
Disgusting images from Jerusalem


And as usual, in the “only democracy in the ME”, in this “country of laws”, nothing will happen to those who do this. It will happen again tomorrow.
 
I'm not sure how you ever walk back from such evil thoughts. Maybe it's just coping strategy but once you elevate yourself above others to that extreme I'm not sure you'll ever truly recognise it as wrong.

I think that I shared it before but listen to the answers even when they clearly understand that something is wrong:

 
And as usual, in the “only democracy in the ME”, in this “country of laws”, nothing will happen to those who do this. It will happen again tomorrow.

It's crazy, in a "normal country", civilians go around with automatic rifles in a big city like Jerusalem shooting people for fun.
 
From an Israeli account that is in touch with many IDF people (and tracks their progress through Gaza)



Key points:
The IDF thus intends to eventually "West-Bankify" the Gaza Strip: Multiple Palestinian controlled pockets cut off from each other through IDF military corridors, pacified through regular raids.
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This is also why the negotiations are not producing a ceasefire: Why would Sinwar trade hostages for very temporary benefits (1 month of ceasefire, return of civilians to the North) in a years long war, if he intends to trade them all for victory down the road? It would lose him the war. The only ceasefire he should ever be interested in is a permanent one, and I have reiterated this every time Hamas pretended to be interested in a ceasefire only to then return to their demand for an end of the war again (which in all honesty is the only thing that wouldn't be a loss for them).
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What then is the Israeli day-after for Gaza? Essentially, a second West Bank. Without a Palestinian Authority. Perhaps they will eventually settle on clans or some other group, or maybe they will keep Hamas in charge (just incapable of military activity after total arms blockade through Philadelphi and years of attritional warfare). The war may have gone quite differently had Israel decided on an alternative to replace Hamas rule on day 1, had it attempted the difficult path of winning hearts and minds - but this is not the strategy Israel would ever accept, and in Israel's case would probably not have worked anyway.

This same account has also been posting about the invasion of Lebanon, supposedly in August.
 
All the same body parts, but not the same, not equal. Or something like that. Gotcha. :confused:
The sentence had me rolling because there was an 80's sketch of a fantastic french comedian named Coluche called "The Arab riot squad officer" where this exact sentence was used.

I'm sure @JPRouve or any french speaking poster understood the reference.

That settler forgot to mention "rectum" which is probably where the Palestinians rank in his body parts hierarchy. His enlightening testimony is reflected in this excellent documentary about the Israeli settlers and their ideological/religious indoctrination. If you think that Palestinian children are indoctrinated, just watch how it works on the other side.

These guys numbers are growing each passing day.

 
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From an Israeli account that is in touch with many IDF people (and tracks their progress through Gaza)



Key points:


This same account has also been posting about the invasion of Lebanon, supposedly in August.

Both are happening if nothing's done. That's what Netanyahu wants, and what the corpse in the White House and his travelling pathological liar will get him.

The failure of this sham of a cease-fire will be then blamed on Hamas, just like the Camp David Accords failure was put on Arafat's bill.
 
I have seen the August date before for the Lebanon invasion, so that might be accurate.
 
So Biden going public with that 3-phase proposal is now looking like a nothingburger, I guess?
 
So Biden going public with that 3-phase proposal is now looking like a nothingburger, I guess?

Seems like it. Like many nothing burgers of news saying that Biden was very mwad mwad mwad at Netanyahu but signing an arms delivery the next day. All PR stunts for electoralism
 
Seems like it. Like many nothing burgers of news saying that Biden was very mwad mwad mwad at Netanyahu but signing an arms delivery the next day. All PR stunts for electoralism
And for a moment I thought he wouldn't go public like that unless he was dead serious that it was gonna happen.
 
And as usual, in the “only democracy in the ME”, in this “country of laws”, nothing will happen to those who do this. It will happen again tomorrow.
The gunmen just happily loitering about.





He was shot, then taken to hospital, then detained by the police.

After detaining him, despite his serious injury, for more than 20 hours, the occupation decided, a short while ago, to release the young man from Jerusalem, Sinan Barakat, on the condition that he be kept away from the vicinity of his store for two weeks. Four Israeli soldiers (in civilian clothing) opened fire on the Jerusalemite merchant Bassam Barakat and his son Sinan, near their shop in the bazaar market in the Old City of Jerusalem, and wounded two others with moderate wounds, according to a statement by the occupation police, which described the attempted murder as a “fight,” denying the description of terrorism. . After the attack, the occupation forces arrested the brother of the injured person, Anas Barakat, for the purpose of investigation and deported him from the Old City as well, while the four assailants were released hours after the incident. The police said that the soldiers “felt in danger,” justifying their crime, while Jerusalemites are being executed in cold blood and without evidence or trial, as soon as they were suspected or accused of an attempted stabbing.
 
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And for a moment I thought he wouldn't go public like that unless he was dead serious that it was gonna happen.

Me too! I thought that it would be a tied deal with all parties if he dared to lay out in a public statement. And now we don't know if either of the 2 parts accepted
 
Me too! I thought that it would be a tied deal with all parties if he dared to lay out in a public statement. And now we don't know if either of the 2 parts accepted

Didn't he like 3 months ago announce that a deal would happen the following Monday while eating an ice cream? Acting like bumbling idiots has been their strategy all along.
 
The sentence had me rolling because there was an 80's sketch of a fantastic french comedian named Coluche called "The Arab riot squad officer" where this exact sentence was used.

I'm sure @JPRouve or any french speaking poster understood the reference.

That settler forgot to mention "rectum" which is probably where the Palestinians rank in his body parts hierarchy. His enlightening testimony is reflected in this excellent documentary about the Israeli settlers and their ideological/religious indoctrination. If you think that Palestinian children are indoctrinated, just watch how it works on the other side.

These guys numbers are growing each passing day.


I wouldn’t say I’ve lost hope for the world but yeah, it’s purely just run by vested self interests, control, money and power. There’s very little right and wrong, in the grander scheme of things, per se.
 
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