And you know for a fact they didn’t ask for a similar clause?
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
We can rule out Thuram as well then
Who's to say they would sell him at all if they had different owners?
I wouldn't mind signing Todibo, but this rule is the right way forward.
How is this news to you? Or anyone else for that matter. We’ve known it since he went on loan. Do you think that Getafe were going to take him out of the goodness of their heart?
People seem to misunderstand that clause. Getafe will not get 20%, they would have gotten 20% had we sold him during his loan spell at Getafe.
Yeah same just to get it done and then look ahead
From a pure football perspective, it’s so so so fecking frustrating because what a talent he was. Absolutely my favourite player at one point. Two footed. Rocket of a shot. Academy product. Thought he’d end up breaking our scoring record one day. Or if he was sold it would be for over £100m
I thought they'd be taking him for the same reason vast majority of other loans take place - a player available from another club that you can get on loan so saving paying a large transfer fee for a quality player that would otherwise be beyond your budget on a permanent deal. They were lucky enough to take advantage of the situation to get a player of his ability in the first place - shouldn't have required future payments on our part to give a player of his quality to them for a season loan.
Fair credit to Getafe for taking advantage of our typically awful negotiations at that time to get the player and future payments as well. But I'm confident more competent negotiators on our part would have got a better loan deal for us, and I'm hoping INEOS negotiate a much better deal for us with whoever buys him this summer!
That would make a lot more sense - as a break clause like that is inserted into some other loan deals. If it is just that, and now no longer applies, then there's no issue. However, if it still applies even when we sell him this summer, after his loan deal with Getafe has ended, then that is pretty unique and is awful negotiating from us.
It won't be. Those kind of break clauses are normal. If somehow we sell him this summer and end up paying Getafe 20% it would be the first time this has ever happened in football. Yes our negotiation team isn't the best but that would be shocking.
So lets say we sold him for 30 mill in Jan we would have owed Getafe 6 mill, pretty normal deal for breaking loans when selling a player.
Yeah, I agree. If It only applied to the length of the loan deal, and was a break clause in case we sold him in January, then that would be pretty normal. I thought it was being reported that Getafe had negotiated a deal that they'd be entitled to 20% of any sale even this summer? Which, as we're both saying, would be pretty unique and awful negotiating from us. Hopefully it's just the former, as you say.
The problem I think lies with the reporting. The reporting just mentioned that clause without explaining it. I guess we won't find out until we do sell him but like you said I'd be quite surprised if we're giving Getafe anything when we do sell him this summer.
I don't think you have actually read the article in The Athletic because there is no ambiguity there it's quite clear what the Clause entails and reasons why United agreed to it .
This is the lowest I saw as a supporter.
No where near enough!
Was it really such a great deal for Getafe without the sell on percentage? They got 1 season,10 goals, a load of shit, and rehabilitated a player for us.
Probably helped them finish higher in the league? Rightly or wrongly a lot of people paid more attention to Getafe just because Greenwood joined them. That surely raised their profile a bit. I'm not saying it's all good as they did take their share of flak but they stood to gain something even without us giving them a sell on fee.
If so many clubs want him then I hope we would get more than £30m. But given it’s the Italian clubs we are dealing with, i would be surprised if we get even £3m upfront.
What? Why?
Put in a percentage sale on clause and they'll sell him for 80m+ in a year or 2
You're all slating Murtough and on the surface it does seem a stupid deal but if that's literally the only way we could get rid of Greenwood and the flak for a year then that's what we did.
I think you're all underestimating how fecking toxic the situation was/is.
I think you're all underestimating how fecking toxic the situation was/is.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the approach. People just love to moan.
Edit: it’s also bizarre how certain posters seem MORE annoyed with Murtough than with the player himself.
Hopefully Juve get involved too and there's an actual bidding war here.
If that was true it wouldn't have been a last-minute deal.
Is he that good? He never stood out to me as a top DM.
Seriously considering? I’d say a new MF/DM is a must?!
I don't hate the guy but ETH is seriously making it hard for himself by targeting players just because he worked with them .
Our scouting department is apparently just an album of ETH's old team photos.
He's rubbish,
I have a friend who's a fan of Ajax and even when Álvarez was still there, he said to me that he was not good enough for united
Our targets are seemingly the exact same sort of players we were after last summer, bit disappointing on the surface thus far.
The reality is we can't really get moving in the market until we make some sales, the money isn't there. Shifting Greenwood will hopefully get the ball rolling. If we can't shift Casemiro that's a joke, I don't want to see him play for us next season.
Year 3, new ownership / recruitment team in place, and we're still primarily targeting former Dutch league players.
What new recruitment team? Dan Ashworth hasn’t come in yet. Berrada hasn’t started yet. Scouting systems still need time to be optimised. Approval structures still in a temporary phase with Blanc running interim-CEO and Wilcox doubling up as Sporting Director and Technical Director in this period.Year 3, new ownership / recruitment team in place, and we're still primarily targeting former Dutch league players.
It’s not ideal. It won’t be be until Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada sit in one room over a period of months will we see any real change to recruitment.
He is like a lost sheep when he plays for his national team.
so what happens if Getafe makes and official Bid of £30m too does that means they get a discount of 10%. Hilarious this club business dealings
No way we want Alvarez. We could have signed him last summer and didn’t and West Ham would want a massive fee. I swear sometimes these journalists are just throwing out ETH linked players to rile people up.
100%, it's too easy.
That Tobido news is frustrating af. Surely there is a dodgy (but legal) workaround we can pull out from the hat?
Something of that sort yeah.so what happens if Getafe makes and official Bid of £30m too does that means they get a discount of 10%. Hilarious this club business dealings
To be fair, it didn't seem like a lot of clubs wanted to touch Greenwood last summer, even on loan. He didn't move until the last day of the transfer window, and you could argue that Getafe have boosted his value up again by playing him all season. They've also fronted him in marketing and on social media, which I suspect may have been part of the agreement. I'm not hating too much on them getting 20% if we end up getting £40m for him, even if he would've been valued a lot higher pre-scandal. The clause is also just for if we sell him this summer.