Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Without Western help Ukraine would have been beaten in the first couple of months. Repressed, murdered and raped.

Judging by Corbyn's response to the nerve agent attack in Salisbury he would have called for peace talks while pondering out loud whether the Moldovan's are worth helping.
 
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Drainy said:
Are Palestinians still committed to the abolition of Israel as a state?
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Yes, some nutters want all Israelis wiped out, best deny the Palestinians their right to a state and help the Israelis finish them off. But Corbyn and Ukraine!
 
Kaos said:
Yes, some nutters want all Israelis wiped out, best deny the Palestinians their right to a state and help the Israelis finish them off. But Corbyn and Ukraine!
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Well that's a decent place to start for a legitimate reason for a different response to their victimisation than Ukraine got, oh and a terrorist atrocity prompting the war
 
Cassidy said:
Are Israelis still committed to driving Palestinians out of Gaza?
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More recently that does appear to be the government policy, but upon it's foundation Israel agreed to a two state solution and that should be the international policy, once Palestine is ready to accept the right of Israel to exist
 
Drainy said:
More recently that does appear to be the government policy, but upon it's foundation Israel agreed to a two state solution and that should be the international policy, once Palestine is ready to accept the right of Israel to exist
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Actually its been the policy for a long time, hence the situation and not just in Gaza (or are the settler camps just a coincidence)
Also, Palestine has already accepted Israel's right to exist under the Palestinian Authority; Palestine is not Hamas, and Palestinian Authority have been cooperating with International law for a long time. It's the Israeli policy that has never accepted a 2 state solution and when they got close to ended up with the assassination of their own leader
 
Drainy said:
Well that's a decent place to start for a legitimate reason for a different response to their victimisation than Ukraine got, oh and a terrorist atrocity prompting the war
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Ukranians are white and palestinians are not. When putin was bombing brown people to kingdom come no one gave many fecks.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Without Western help Ukraine would have been beaten in the first couple of months. Repressed, murdered and raped.

Judging by Corbyn's response to the nerve agent attack in Salisbury he would have called for peace talks while pondering out loud whether the Moldovan's are worth helping.
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Corbyn words mean nothing. It's kinda like hearing the portuguese communist party regurgitating the peace trope all the time. Putin actually laughs at that. They are the useful idiots. I'd like to see them saying that to an ukranian just so that they would hear their responses.

Without Western help Ukraine would be long gone and Putin would be probably testing the resolve with another country. They really think this is about Nato expansion. Not that Putin is a blood thirsty, power grabbing, ruthless dictator. Russia attacks Ukraine, Georgia, sows unrest all over Europe but we should trust Putin in peace talks. Those days are long gone and if Trump is elected it won't matter anyways.
 
Yesterday there was a report that around 20,000 Palestinian children are missing with a lot likely to be trapped beneath rubble and buried in unmarked graves.

Anyone defending Israel is a lost cause.
 
Drainy said:
Well that's a decent place to start for a legitimate reason for a different response to their victimisation than Ukraine got, oh and a terrorist atrocity prompting the war
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Sure, if we only kept receipts from October 7th. What of the decades of occupation, ethnic cleansing, state-sponsored settler terrorism, subjugation and apartheid in the West Bank too then? You'd think tens of thousands of murdered Palestinian children would elicit some form of response, but apparently not.

The PA have stated they were willing to accept an Israeli state. The question is will the Israelis ever accept finally declaring their borders and accepting a Palestinian state? Or will they throw in dozens of ridiculous stipulations to kill the idea like they often do.

Going back to the original topic - anyone who by this point wants to continue selling weapons to Israel, purging any dissenting voices and clearly shows no concern for the disgraceful and catastrophic human suffering inflicted on the Palestinians is on the same moral plane as the likes of Putin. You simply cannot tarnish those with the Ukraine abstention brush while endorsing those who would rather get into bed with a quasi-genocidal state.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yesterday there was a report that around 20,000 Palestinian children are missing with a lot likely to be trapped beneath rubble and buried in unmarked graves.

Anyone defending Israel is a lost cause.
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Are your shits only being given for Palestinians?

Here's a handy guide for your outrage. I'm sure you can find ways to link them all to Starmer somehow.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/countries-at-risk
 
As someone who's not really an expert on him, his bad foreign policy positions seem misguided rather than deliberately malicious which is different from literally anyone who supports Israel.
 
DanH said:
It's a longstanding Labour position and remains so in the current manifesto.
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No it doesn't. They've gone with the cop out approach of recognising a Palestinian state as part of a peace process, which means they'd only accept it if the Israelis do. They could follow other European countries like Spain, Ireland and Norway in recognising a Palestinian state immediately, which is all the more critical since their very existence continues to be in increasing danger, but instead they've thrown a hollow bone expecting us to treat it like an actual stance.
 
Sweet Square said:
Great minds think alike

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Those mf are literally lapdogs to Netanyahu but they want to lecture the world on morality. I am not taking single fecking morality lecture from a western politician when they help Netanyahu slaughter Palestanians day after day after day. None. Every singel one of them, go feck yourself. You are not different from Putin.
 
Grinner said:
Have you seen the state of the British military lately? It's laughable to suggest that a coup was a reality. It was far more real in the 70s when there were actual meetings about it and organisations set up.

Is it a PMs job to hit the help Palestine button?
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A problem created by britain in the first place. Yes, it is.
 
DanH said:
It's a longstanding Labour position and remains so in the current manifesto.
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That's an actual response which is different from what Kaos got. The question is whether it's the same nothing position as the US or they would recognize it regardless of Israel's stance like Spain.

The other part is withholding weapons which looks impossible for some reasons. Considering England's contribution isn't that significant, that's something they theoretically should be able to do and distance themselves from Israel's endless war crimes.
 
DanH said:
I wouldn't know about Starmer, but Corbyn could still win it.
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Difficult, but there is a possibility that those who want to vote for him would actually make the effort and go to vote, unlike causal voters.
 
Giggsyking said:
Difficult, but there is a possibility that those who want to vote for him would actually make the effort and go to vote, unlike causal voters.
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Definitely fair to say that you would expect Corbyn voters to be more engaged than your average constituent. He's clearly got a lot of supporters locally so it's just how many they can convince or make aware in the next week. I thought this was one that his name recognition would have cut through more than it's showing at the moment.
 
Sweet Square said:
There’s political pressure which a PM or a political party can push - recognising a Palestine state and voting in favour of Palestine or material help like stopping arms contracts to companies who sell to Israel. It should of course do all of these things but all of this requires going up against established/powerful political forces. Which tbf I think Corbyn and those around him somewhat understood but well there are big structural reasons why he didn’t win and why his policy platform would have faced immense pressure.

I’m not sure anyone wants to discuss it because it’s nerdy/boring and most just want to cosplay Fukuyama.
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Don't know if i posted it here, but about a week after oct 7, is when i realised that the 2017 vote maths doesn't really matter, Corbyn could never have been PM even if Labour won under his watch. Was looking at the unified response of the free liberal democracies to Israel, imagining PM Corbyn there, and it doesn't fit. It cannot be. He would have been coup-ed, doubt the army would have needed to get involved even if they were itching to, internal party rebellion would be enough.

There is the template: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...itlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence
e - wrong link! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/15/comment.labour1
seeing who wrote this is a nice bonus!
 
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Giggsyking said:
A problem created by britain in the first place. Yes, it is.
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Absolutely. Britain needs to take responsibility for it colonialist past instead of pretending they didn’t cause at least two of the current ongoing geopolitical issues ie Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan
 
Giggsyking said:
Those mf are literally lapdogs to Netanyahu but they want to lecture the world on morality. I am not taking single fecking morality lecture from a western politician when they help Netanyahu slaughter Palestanians day after day after day. None. Every singel one of them, go feck yourself. You are not different from Putin.
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i totally agree. The way a lot of Western politicians denounce Putin and Russia but laud Netanyahu and Israel is the the most mind boggling and infuriating thing.
 
Grinner said:
Exactly, this is all we need to know.
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Grinner said:
Convenient. Remain in your echo chamber and keep posting shit tweets and smilies
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Grinner said:
Are your shits only being given for Palestinians?

Here's a handy guide for your outrage. I'm sure you can find ways to link them all to Starmer somehow.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/countries-at-risk
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How's about sticking to calling the Corbyn lot cnuts in defence of Starmer, instead of directing your flippancy towards a people experiencing unimaginable suffering. It'd be much less obnoxious.
 
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