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Brwned said:
I doubt we would ever play that way, it would end up with Rooney on the left chasing the right back up and down the touchline all night.

Would be great to see though.
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It would be intersting to see how it would work, i think only a certain times we would be able to play that side, its very attacking, and only against weaker opposxition where we have to be less defensivly set out and at home we could play it.

But rooney and tevez naturally drop deep so when the ball was in our possession we would have no problem, its just when defending we could become exposed, i guess tevez would be the man to fill in, his energy levels are always high and he is great at hustling and intercepting
 
Fergies Formula said:
It would be intersting to see how it would work, i think only a certain times we would be able to play that side, its very attacking, and only against weaker opposxition where we have to be less defensivly set out and at home we could play it.

... But rooney and tevez naturally drop deep so when the ball was in our possession we would have no problem, its just when defending we could become exposed,
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Why?:confused: If we needed any extra solidity in the center we could pair Anderson with Hargreaves or Carrick with Hargreaves instead. & With Tevez and Rooney's natural defensive work we shodulnt be exposed by anyone. Especially with the back 5 we possess
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Why?:confused: If we needed any extra solidity in the center we could pair Anderson with Hargreaves or Carrick with Hargreaves instead. & With Tevez and Rooney's natural defensive work we shodulnt be exposed by anyone. Especially with the back 5 we possess
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Yes i know, but thats pretty much what i was implying - it would be ok to use that formation and set of players, but against the best teams we could get exposed at the back when teams start to attack and double up on the flanks and it could be a bit light in midfield i feel.
 
Fergies Formula said:
Fair enough(even though your previous comment suggested otherwise), but if he signed u soon would.
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If he did, as I've said before, I'd give him a clean slate. There would be no grudge or anything like that, and I's support him like any other United player. And hopefully, he'd prove me wrong.
 
Dimi deal moves closer
James Robson
22/ 6/2008

MANCHESTER United could be a step closer to signing Dimitar Berbatov with Tottenham closing in on Spain striker David Villa.

Reports on Sunday claimed Juande Ramos had already agreed a £20m fee with Villa's club Valencia.

That would pave the way for Berbatov to quit White Hart Lane and allow Sir Alex Ferguson to firm up his long-standing interest in the Bulgarian international.

United were knocked back in a move for him last summer, but they are confident they would have more joy with a renewed bid.

Ferguson has made it clear a new striker is a priority for next season with Louis Saha likely to move on to Roma.

He has closely watched Lyons forward Karim Benzema as well Brazilian Luis Fabiano and Klaas Jan Huntelaar of Ajax.

But he has long-been an admirer of Berbatov, who would cost in the region of £25m.

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LMAO @ GLASTONSPUR'S ''LOGIC''


I can't believe you actually think that once the asking price is met, Berbatov will choose which ever club pays Spurs more... That is one of the supidest things I've ever heard. Once the asking price is met, Berbatov will choose whoever pays HIM the most, and the club HE prefers...

I don't think Man United would have any competition in this transfer. I'm unconvinced Barca's ''interest'' or Chelski's exists. And Milan have said 'Adebayor or no one.'


Secondly, please NEVER term Spurs (a historically mid-table team) are a 'Rival' of Man United...


That is hilarious.
 
Oh, and trying to liken Real Madrid to a 'step up' from Man United because one Latin player fancies it more is very retarded.
 
KingMinger22 said:
LMAO @ GLASTONSPUR'S ''LOGIC''


I can't believe you actually think that once the asking price is met, Berbatov will choose which ever club pays Spurs more... That is one of the supidest things I've ever heard. Once the asking price is met, Berbatov will choose whoever pays HIM the most, and the club HE prefers...
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LMAO @ KingMinger's inability to properly read and understand posts.

As far as I recall this is effectively what I actually said:

* There are two min. prices: a higher one for Prem clubs and lower one for others. Whichever bid meets the min. price - or exceeds it by the most amount - will be accepted by Spurs.

* There are several clubs playing in the CL that Berbatov would likely be happy to sign for. His main priority is probably CL football with a top club.

If money was his main concern he could get that from Spurs.

Berbatov is not going to insist on going to MUFC if a better bid from another top CL club has been accepted by Spurs. Even if he did insist, such a loss of money would not be accepted by the club and Berbatov would be told to either move to the club concerned or accept staying at Spurs.

You may like to think that Berbatov is set on MUFC and no-one else, but I imagine the reality is very different. If Spurs accept a bid from Barca - for example - do you imagine he'll turn them down? If so, you're living a dream-world.

KingMinger22 said:
Secondly, please NEVER term Spurs (a historically mid-table team) are a 'Rival' of Man United...
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MUFC play in the same league as Spurs. Compared to Barca, for example, you are a rival - a rival for league points when we play each other and a potential rival - however remote it may seem right now - for top 4. Dismiss the top 4 ambitions of Spurs if you like, but they are nonetheless serious ambitions regardless of how long it may take us to get there.

In this context it makes sense to sell Berbatov abroad all else being equal.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You may like to think that Berbatov is set on MUFC and no-one else, but I imagine the reality is very different. If Spurs accept a bid from Barca - for example - do you imagine he'll turn them down? If so, you're living a dream-world.


MUFC play in the same league as Spurs. Compared to Barca, for example, you are a rival - a rival for league points when we play each other and a potential rival - however remote it may seem right now - for top 4. Dismiss the top 4 ambitions of Spurs if you like, but they are nonetheless serious ambitions regardless of how long it may take us to get there.

In this context it makes sense to sell Berbatov abroad all else being equal.
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I DEFINTELY DON'T think berbatov would turn down an offer from Barca. Obviously he wouldn't. I doubt one will be forth coming though. I have no idea if he would choose United over Milan or Barca but I would be hopeful.

I think its good Spurs have top 4 ambitions but I think they will only be acheived at the expense of Arse or Liverpool.

Unless Abramovich pulls the plug or Fergie's retirement sends United into crisis...
 
GlastonSpur said:
In the last 2 seasons Berbatov has scored or assisted 76 goals (23 goals and 15 assists each season).

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Any CAFtards who imagine that 25m is going to suffice are simply wrong (in the case of him going to another Prem club). For those who say such price is too much, or that he's not worth it - that's fine, if Fergie agrees with you it will just mean you won't get him. Good luck in finding a better alternative.
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if Fergie thinks he's worth it, he'll get him. If he doesn't, he'll get somebody who is worth it.

Everything you've cited as "knowing" is either total conjecture or stating the fookin obvious. ITK my arse. More Mirror soundbites. :rolleyes:
 
Spurs 'frustrate' United on Berbatov

Manchester United's attempt to sign Dimitar Berbatov from Tottenham is being frustrated because the north London club are still smarting over Michael Carrick's departure for Old Trafford two summers ago, a source close to the player has exclusively told Observer Sport. Reports have estimated that Spurs are asking for as much as £30m for Berbatov, which according to the source is a purposefully inflated price designed to inform United they do not want to sell to them. 'United did to Spurs what Real Madrid are currently doing over Cristiano Ronaldo by forcing the club's hand,' the source said.

But the claim was denied by a Spurs executive who insisted there is 'no bad blood between the clubs'. And if United are to land the Bulgarian they may have to find more than £30m and pay a fee far in excess of the record for a British transfer - £29m by Manchester United to Leeds for Rio Ferdinand in 2002 - as it is understood Manchester City had a £32m offer turned down last summer.

Berbatov wants Champions League football next season. United provide this and it is thought that the Bulgarian striker, who has scored 27 goals in 69 Premier League appearances for Spurs, favours playing under Sir Alex Ferguson. 'He definitely wants to leave but Spurs do not want to sell to United because of Michael Carrick,' the source said. 'So, the problem is the price. But the other thing for Spurs is that no other big club is interested.'

Carrick was sold for £17m in 2006, a price Spurs hoped would deter United. Despite the claim that Spurs were angered when the 26-year-old was still prised away, the Spurs executive said: 'Michael Carrick was a different situation. He had a year left on his contract and wanted to move his family closer to home.

'Dimitar Berbatov has two years left on his contract with an option of a further two years, which is our option. It's not in our interest to sell, especially to another Premier League club, whichever one it might be.'

United are also keen to sign Argentina striker Carlos Tevez on 'a long-term contract, but we are not in a rush. We know we have time,' a club official said.

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... if United are to land the Bulgarian they may have to find more than £30m and pay a fee far in excess of the record for a British transfer - £29m by Manchester United to Leeds for Rio Ferdinand in 2002 - as it is understood Manchester City had a £32m offer turned down last summer. ....

I've no idea how accurate the article as a whole is, but this part fits with what I've already said in this thread, namely that all talk of Fergie getting Berbatov for just 20 - 25m is pie-in-sky wishful thinking. It ain't going to happen.
 
I cant understand the statement from the Guardian that "Spurs are still smarting over Carrick's departure". At the time wasn't we deemed crazy for paying so much for him, but because he's been key to our recent success all of a sudden there is bad blood?

Maybe this comment is referring to how the transfer unravelled & not the actual transfer itself?
 
GlastonSpur said:
... if United are to land the Bulgarian they may have to find more than £30m and pay a fee far in excess of the record for a British transfer - £29m by Manchester United to Leeds for Rio Ferdinand in 2002 - as it is understood Manchester City had a £32m offer turned down last summer. ....

I've no idea how accurate the article as a whole is, but this part fits with what I've already said in this thread, namely that all talk of Fergie getting Berbatov for just 20 - 25m is pie-in-sky wishful thinking. It ain't going to happen.
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I think there is a possibility of getting him in the region between 25-30 million, after all that is all he is worth - even with you guys not wanting to sell, he is 27, would like to leave for a big club, he isnt a proven top scorer, or considered one of the best players on the world and there is only 2 years left on his contract... I think it is honorable that spurs are trying to get that much for him, but i think if we do carry on pursuing him we will get him at a price which is fare for both parties, something like 26million.

Its only fair on berbatov to give him the move he wants, considering the loyalty he has shown and the gamble he took in joining you in the first place, joining a team not in Europeans top competition or competitors in its domestic league, now he is 27 and needs his biggest challenge which he cant get at spurs.
 
Fergies Formula said:
.... he isnt a proven top scorer, or considered one of the best players on the world and there is only 2 years left on his contract ...
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He effectively has 4 years left on his contract. If he isn't considered to be a "proven top scorer" or "one of the best players in the world" then why are MUFC seemingly so keen to get him or willing to pay 25m+ ??

The answer is (a) that 38 goals/assists in each of the last two seasons does make him a proven goal scorer/goal creator; and (b) he's the best available forward that MUFC could get (and IMO he is one of the best players in the world).
 
GlastonSpur said:
He effectively has 4 years left on his contract. If he isn't considered to be a "proven top scorer" or "one of the best players in the world" then why are MUFC seemingly so keen to get him or willing to pay 25m+ ??
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Because he is a top player, even if he isnt one of the worlds best, he offers something different to what we already have and would be adding something to the team. In that article it says he has 2 with the option of another 2, still only 2.

GlastonSpur said:
The answer is (a) that 38 goals/assists in each of the last two seasons does make him a proven goal scorer/goal creator; and (b) he's the best available forward that MUFC could get (and IMO he is one of the best players in the world).
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I just said goals, but that is an impressive figure regardless, he is a proven creator/ goalscorer, but there are other better players who would command a 30 million+ price tag, i just dont think berbatov is justfied at that price, even if you dont want to sell.

There are plenty of players better than him though and more expensive, messi, ronaldo, kaka, ronaldinho, drogba, torres, eto'o, ibrahimovic?

I do agree that he is the best available forward for us though, which is reflected in the 25-30million price tag which i said he was worth, but anything above that is spurs taking us for a ride.
 
ok id go up to 32million, that extra 2 million came out of my love for the godfather III andy garcia and berbatovs uncanny resemblance
 
34m for a 27 yr old striker is far too much, expecially considering that there are good strikers like Guiza and Milito who has 12m minimum clauses and would do a great job with us. In my opinion we should sign Tevez on a permanent deal and bring in Guiza as backup.
 
lao said:
Where did £34M come from? :s
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I written it wrong. 30m+

The Tevez-Rooney forward line had proved instrumental this year and had showered us with success. What we need is a good striker who can give us options and not a revamp to our forward line. Anything above the 17 - 20m for a 27 yr old striker who has yet to win something in his life is wasted. If he truly want to sign with us, he knows what he has to do.
 
devilish said:
I written it wrong. 30m+

The Tevez-Rooney forward line had proved instrumental this year and had showered us with success. What we need is a good striker who can give us options and not a revamp to our forward line. Anything above the 17 - 20m for a 27 yr old striker who has yet to win something in his life is wasted. If he truly want to sign with us, he knows what he has to do.
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and whats that?

They wont budge on their valuation if he tells them he wants to leave, they pretty much know he is seeking new horizons.
 
Fergies Formula said:
and whats that?

They wont budge on their valuation if he tells them he wants to leave, they pretty much know he is seeking new horizons.
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Then tough luck. Berbatov missed his train when he could have joined us rather then Spurs. Anything above 17 - 20m mark for 27 yr old strker is pure madness. Let us not forget that we have yet to buy Tevez.
 
devilish said:
Then tough luck. Berbatov missed his train when he could have joined us rather then Spurs. Anything above 17 - 20m mark for 27 yr old strker is pure madness.
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why though, if he brought success? Kept us fresh and able to rotate and contrubited to rich success over a period of 6 years which he has in him, it would equate to about 5 million a season...
 
Fergies Formula said:
why though, if he brought success? Kept us fresh and able to rotate and contrubited to rich success over a period of 6 years which he has in him, it would equate to about 5 million a season...
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Let us put things straight

1) no player can guarantee you success. When AC Milan brought Roberto Baggio (whom btw could shite on Berbatov any time, any place) they thought that they would win everything. They ended up with just a lousy Serie A title.

2) Our team is already strong as it is. FFS we had just won the EPL and the CL title and if the FA didnt messed it up then we would have won another treble. Yes we do need a striker but its not as if our forward line would look shite without it. So there is no need for desperate measures (ie spending 30m+ for a 27 yr old striker who wants to leave)

3) We shouldnt be kept on ransom by anyone, expecially if it is a small club who wouldnt win anything even their own life depended on it.

4) There are plenty of good strikers around. Ive mentioned 2 who wouldnt cost us more then 12m while Shitty had brought a excellent young striker for 19m. Im sure that we can at least equal them.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He effectively has 4 years left on his contract. If he isn't considered to be a "proven top scorer" or "one of the best players in the world" then why are MUFC seemingly so keen to get him or willing to pay 25m+ ??

The answer is (a) that 38 goals/assists in each of the last two seasons does make him a proven goal scorer/goal creator; and (b) he's the best available forward that MUFC could get (and IMO he is one of the best players in the world).
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He's certainly a proven creator. Like Rooney and Tevez are.
 
devilish said:
Let us put things straight

1) no player can guarantee you success. When AC Milan brought Roberto Baggio (whom btw could shite on Berbatov any time, any place) they thought that they would win everything. They ended up with just a lousy Serie A title.
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True, but he didn't say guarantee success did he? He said if Berbatov brought us success, which is quite possible.

devilish said:
2) Our team is already strong as it is. FFS we had just won the EPL and the CL title and if the FA didnt messed it up then we would have won another treble. Yes we do need a striker but its not as if our forward line would look shite without it. So there is no need for desperate measures (ie spending 30m+ for a 27 yr old striker who wants to leave)
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I would be one of the few who disagrees with you on that. I'm not a big fan of the Tevez-Rooney partnership and it only really clicked in 4 or 5 games. People can put that down to injuries etc. but I just think they can only play against a team that gives them a lot of space in between the midfield and defence such as Middlesborough and Aston Villa. I think we need someone who is capable to step into the team at any time and start as many games, as Tevez if not more.

devilish said:
3) We shouldnt be kept on ransom by anyone, expecially if it is a small club who wouldnt win anything even their own life depended on it.
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Michael Carrick.

devilish said:
4) There are plenty of good strikers around. Ive mentioned 2 who wouldnt cost us more then 12m while Shitty had brought a excellent young striker for 19m. Im sure that we can at least equal them.
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Jo is good but not what we need, he is better as a lone striker and isn't a top class finisher. Dani Guiza is on the verge of a move to Fenerbahce and Diego Milito is too old and not of the quality I would want to be starting 20+ games.
 
Fergies Formula said:
Its only fair on berbatov to give him the move he wants, considering the loyalty he has shown and the gamble he took in joining you in the first place, joining a team not in Europeans top competition or competitors in its domestic league, now he is 27 and needs his biggest challenge which he cant get at spurs.
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I dont agree with this, its like saying its only fair to let Ronaldo leave. Where does it all end?
 
Ekeke said:
He's certainly a proven creator. Like Rooney and Tevez are.
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He is a creator and goal scorer, your stubbornness and ignorance to what berbatov is annoys me, he is not the same player as rooney and tevez, your insistence that he is shows you haven't watched him enough. He offers something very different which would only help our team.
 
golden_blunder said:
I dont agree with this, its like saying its only fair to let Ronaldo leave. Where does it all end?
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I think we should let ronaldo leave it he wants to, why keep a player who doesnt want to be in the side, especially if he has come out numerous times and flirted with the idea of joining madrid and keeps expressing his desire to complete his dream
 
Brwned said:
True, but he didn't say guarantee success did he? He said if Berbatov brought us success, which is quite possible.



I would be one of the few who disagrees with you on that. I'm not a big fan of the Tevez-Rooney partnership and it only really clicked in 4 or 5 games. People can put that down to injuries etc. but I just think they can only play against a team that gives them a lot of space in between the midfield and defence such as Middlesborough and Aston Villa. I think we need someone who is capable to step into the team at any time and start as many games, as Tevez if not more.



Michael Carrick.



Jo is good but not what we need, he is better as a lone striker and isn't a top class finisher. Dani Guiza is on the verge of a move to Fenerbahce and Diego Milito is too old and not of the quality I would want to be starting 20+ games.
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Cheers just saved me from having to write all that, which are my sentiments too.
 
Fergies Formula said:
He is a creator and goal scorer, your stubbornness and ignorance to what berbatov is annoys me, he is not the same player as rooney and tevez, your insistence that he is shows you haven't watched him enough. He offers something very different which would only help our team.
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He creates a lot more goals than most strikers and this is good, because if he only scored goals he wouldn't be the same class of player. He'd only be a decent striker. The same as Tevez and Rooney do. They are creative forwards, rather than goal scorers. And with Rooney and Tevez we already have more forwards of this type and class than any other team on the planet. We're already being greedy. What we need now is someone to profit from their creativity. Thats not Berbatov, who prefers to sit and create rather than be the name on the scoresheet.

Fergies Formula said:
I think we should let ronaldo leave it he wants to, why keep a player who doesnt want to be in the side, especially if he has come out numerous times and flirted with the idea of joining madrid and keeps expressing his desire to complete his dream
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Because we can't replace him right now and was integral to our success last season. :rolleyes:
 
Brwned said:
True, but he didn't say guarantee success did he? He said if Berbatov brought us success, which is quite possible.
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Success can be brought even by not signing anyone. The team is as strong as it is and had already proved it (CL and EPL winners). Stating that it wouldnt do us any harm in replacing Saha.



I would be one of the few who disagrees with you on that. I'm not a big fan of the Tevez-Rooney partnership and it only really clicked in 4 or 5 games. People can put that down to injuries etc. but I just think they can only play against a team that gives them a lot of space in between the midfield and defence such as Middlesborough and Aston Villa. I think we need someone who is capable to step into the team at any time and start as many games, as Tevez if not more.
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I was not a fan of it either as much as I wasn't exactly a fan of the Cole - Yorke tandem in its early days (Cole was no world beater while Yorke was good but his attitude sucked). Stating that both partnerships worked brilliantly and they have the honours that proves that. It kind of shows that when you have a winning system made up of good players willing to give their 100% to win then you can achieve great goals without the need to slashing 30m+ on some 27 yr old striker who had already turned us down before.

Michael Carrick.
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Micheal costed us 17m, he was 25 yrs old, we were desperate for a midfielder and any signings we did before that to strengthen that area proved a massive failure. This case is much different. Our forward line is functioning brilliantly, we had just won the CL and the EPL and what we need is to replace a striker who hardly had any impact on last season's campaign.

Jo is good but not what we need, he is better as a lone striker and isn't a top class finisher. Dani Guiza is on the verge of a move to Fenerbahce and Diego Milito is too old and not of the quality I would want to be starting 20+ games.
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Milito is a great player, Fenerbahce has not yet signed Guiza while anyone capable of scoring 30 goals in 51 matches must have a good eye to goal. Anyway I mentioned these players as an example to show that you don't need to spend 30m on Berbatov. We did won something without him am I right?
 
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