This could drag out I feel and may not even happen, Tottenham are well within their rights to keep an unhappy player. Sounds like Fergie is willing to take his time and only go to his valuation of the player. We will see.
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This could drag out I feel and may not even happen, Tottenham are well within their rights to keep an unhappy player. Sounds like Fergie is willing to take his time and only go to his valuation of the player. We will see.
Aye, feel the same.
They have every right to get the most money they can.
Patience is key, for us lot!
They have every right to get the most money they can.
Patience is key, for us lot!
If we are to sign him, or anyone, it would be a lot better if he could be signed before the lads leave for Africa which would be in the next few days. Can't see us signing him.
The man worths the wait. He owns class. His game style is marvellous.
He deserves to be at Utd.
He deserves to be at Utd.
Totally agree, great striker and player
andy garcia!
Oh, now we have to sign him.
Tobacci gotta love ya
Well, what did you expect? He's probably Spurs' best player and they dont really need money. So they will try their best to keep him or get as much money for him as possible. I would be surprised if we bought him in the next couple of weeks or if Fergie goes for another striker, which seems to be Aguero
dont get me wrong kun is a special talent, but i doubt United will waste their time prizing him from AM when I doubt he will leave for another year or twop
Well todays the day.I'm looking forward to the press conference later today.
We have more chance to sign Berbatov than Aguero. Also Aguero would be too much money if you look at his age. The man we need is Berbatov so there is no point to make life difficult for ourselves.
I also think we arent even interested in Aguero and that was totally made up by the press to sell some papers.
That prick deserves a ban til November if otherwise, and well by then Spurs will be sinking so it's not like he will even post, Just Like Last Year
dont get me wrong kun is a special talent, but i doubt United will waste their time prizing him from AM when I doubt he will leave for another year or twop
We'll see. IMO it is wishful thinking if you expect Berbatov to play in South Africa for United. IF we buy him, than it will need more time.
Well, if Fergie thinks Berbatov is not worth the money Spurs demands, he will look at other strikers and Aguero seems to be one of them, if you believe the papers. And why not try it? Even if we have to pay more than for Berbatov, Aguero is 7 years younger
I dont know who is easier to get or whether it's just paper talk, as I'm not an insider, neither at United, nor at Spurs or AM. But I doubt Fergie is willing to pay around 28m for Berbatov.
Too much money at his age? I think I heard that before... and again, money is not a factor, it will depend on the performances
Last season Manchester United was a joy to watch. You had Rooney and Tevez dropping deep, Ronaldo breaking in and goals where flowing in bucket loads. The new Manchester United is filled with stars capable to rise to occasion. Unfortunately its built around one player, the best player in the world and the man set to leave rather sooner or later.
Many are underestimating the impact Ronaldo will have if he leaves the club. Think about it, have you ever seen SAF doing so much not to lose a player? I mean the last (and only time) SAF went all out of his way for a player was Eric Cantona. There again Eric wasnt a cnut, Ronaldo is so you can bet your salary that Ronaldo will leave sooner rather then later.
But first thing first. What does Ronaldo provides to us? Ronaldo permits us to play two link men upfront who are hardly renowned for scoring piles of goals themselves because we all know that he can always drift forward and scored the goals himself. Not just that he also allows us to live without tall forwards because he will always be at the right time at the right moment converting crosses into goals. If we are in trouble we look at Ronaldo and he will get us out of the shite in one way or another, similar to what good old Eric used to do.
Now what would Aguero provide to us? The Argentinian is fast and technically gifted. There again, his lack of physical strength would mean that he will have to start the attack from out of the box, dribble past a player and score. With our 42 goal per season winger gone, we simply cannot afford having no one capable of staying in the box and convert chances in the goal. Not just that, if you bring Aguero and Ronaldo leaves then it will be not worth crossing the ball anymore. I mean what you would have in the box (if they are there in time) would be Aguero (5.7ft), Tevez (5.6) and Rooney (5.10ft).
When Cantona left we brought Sheringham who was able to provide a leading figure to a team to a young team still in need of a leader upfront. If Ronaldo leaves then we would have to do the same and Aguero is no answer to that.
Many are underestimating the impact Ronaldo will have if he leaves the club. Think about it, have you ever seen SAF doing so much not to lose a player? I mean the last (and only time) SAF went all out of his way for a player was Eric Cantona. There again Eric wasnt a cnut, Ronaldo is so you can bet your salary that Ronaldo will leave sooner rather then later.
But first thing first. What does Ronaldo provides to us? Ronaldo permits us to play two link men upfront who are hardly renowned for scoring piles of goals themselves because we all know that he can always drift forward and scored the goals himself. Not just that he also allows us to live without tall forwards because he will always be at the right time at the right moment converting crosses into goals. If we are in trouble we look at Ronaldo and he will get us out of the shite in one way or another, similar to what good old Eric used to do.
Now what would Aguero provide to us? The Argentinian is fast and technically gifted. There again, his lack of physical strength would mean that he will have to start the attack from out of the box, dribble past a player and score. With our 42 goal per season winger gone, we simply cannot afford having no one capable of staying in the box and convert chances in the goal. Not just that, if you bring Aguero and Ronaldo leaves then it will be not worth crossing the ball anymore. I mean what you would have in the box (if they are there in time) would be Aguero (5.7ft), Tevez (5.6) and Rooney (5.10ft).
When Cantona left we brought Sheringham who was able to provide a leading figure to a team to a young team still in need of a leader upfront. If Ronaldo leaves then we would have to do the same and Aguero is no answer to that.
We just need a big lump of a forward. Step forward lumps, Adriano, Gomez, Gomis, Benbatov, etc.
Do you ever know what you're talking about? SAF has done nothing so far, at least not publically. He's resolutely stayed on his holidays and then gone back to Carrington to work with the lads that returned for pre-season.
He's not gone to Portugal, he's not made a public appeal and he didn't go to the Euros to talk to Ronaldo (he was in France drinking wine by a swimming pool).
Unless you've got some fantastic inside information that he's actually been on the phone to Ronaldo every night and day then I'm going to have to level the accusation of bullshit at you (not that you're not used to that label by now).
The very fact that he didnt put him in the transfer market after all this shite is more then enough, other players where kicked out for much less. And where have I said that SAF had gone to Portugal etc?
There again, well done, you managed to write an 8 liner review about a phrase.
come on spuds accept our bid and move on.
Well they don't want to sell and clearly think if you're going to pay £30M for Tevez then you should pay at least the same for Berbatov.
Tevez is 24 years old and we haven't paid 30m for him, or anything like that. If and when we do sign him on a permanent deal, Spurs will have their line in the sand. Meanwhile, all the figures quoted about the fee for Tevez are just paper talk.
The fly in the ointmemt, as far as Spuds are concerned, is the dippers making eyes at Keane. I think Ramos - and everyone at the club - was resigned to losing Berbatov this summer (with a view to giving their new manager a war chest) but they've got the fear now that they might end up pissing the fans right off by selling both of their best strikers.
Chances are, they'll end up convincing Keane to stay one more season and give Berbatov the move they promised him in January. But there's gonna be a fair bit of brinkmanship between now and the end of next month. Levy is desperate to convince the fans that they're not a selling club. Problem is, that's exactly what they are and he knows it.
The fly in the ointmemt, as far as Spuds are concerned, is the dippers making eyes at Keane. I think Ramos - and everyone at the club - was resigned to losing Berbatov this summer (with a view to giving their new manager a war chest) but they've got the fear now that they might end up pissing the fans right off by selling both of their best strikers.
Chances are, they'll end up convincing Keane to stay one more season and give Berbatov the move they promised him in January. But there's gonna be a fair bit of brinkmanship between now and the end of next month. Levy is desperate to convince the fans that they're not a selling club. Problem is, that's exactly what they are and he knows it.
Actually Spurs would like to sell the club so hanging on to Berbatov and Keane makes sense to them at the moment (pie in the sky idea that they'll make top 4 and get £450M).
If we just needed a big lump of a foward we would be signing Heskey or worse. Your nemesis Alan Smith
Tottenham: Dimitar Berbatov not for sale
By John Ley
Last Updated: 9:17am BST 16/07/2008
Tottenham are digging in their heels over Manchester United's interest in signing striker Dimitar Berbatov. Spurs were quick to deny reports that a deal was close to being struck yesterday, insisting that they had no intention of selling the Bulgarian to Old Trafford.
United see Berbatov as the perfect replacement should Cristiano Ronaldo leave for Real Madrid, but they would need to substantially increase their initial offer, believed to be £20 million, for Spurs' leading scorer.
Spurs believe Berbatov, who scored 23 goals last season, would be difficult to replace. United, though, may be prepared to play the waiting game in their pursuit of the player. United depart on their pre-season tour of South Africa tomorrow but are unlikely to be rushed into raising their offer to around £30 million, at which Spurs are believed to value him.
Berbatov's arrival could lead to the departure of Louis Saha - the Frenchman could even travel the other way if Spurs are interested.
Meanwhile, new Spurs signing Giovani dos Santos scored twice in Monday's 8-0 training-ground friendly victory over Spanish side Tavernes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/07/16/sfntot116.xml
By John Ley
Last Updated: 9:17am BST 16/07/2008
Tottenham are digging in their heels over Manchester United's interest in signing striker Dimitar Berbatov. Spurs were quick to deny reports that a deal was close to being struck yesterday, insisting that they had no intention of selling the Bulgarian to Old Trafford.
United see Berbatov as the perfect replacement should Cristiano Ronaldo leave for Real Madrid
, but they would need to substantially increase their initial offer, believed to be £20 million, for Spurs' leading scorer.Spurs believe Berbatov, who scored 23 goals last season, would be difficult to replace. United, though, may be prepared to play the waiting game in their pursuit of the player. United depart on their pre-season tour of South Africa tomorrow but are unlikely to be rushed into raising their offer to around £30 million, at which Spurs are believed to value him.
Berbatov's arrival could lead to the departure of Louis Saha - the Frenchman could even travel the other way if Spurs are interested.
Meanwhile, new Spurs signing Giovani dos Santos scored twice in Monday's 8-0 training-ground friendly victory over Spanish side Tavernes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/07/16/sfntot116.xml
Don't know if individual players add much value to the club as a whole. I would have thought they make fairly nebulous assets. When it comes to selling the whole kit and caboodle, wouldn't it make more sense to sell them both for top dollar and end up with a healthy P&L at year end?
Spurs logic is that keeping the players will help them to get top 4 and drive up the price of the club (which is true - not that it'll be enough to actually get top 4). So £25M for Berbatov is peanuts versus a £250M increase in value for the club.
Ah, I get you.
They actually believe they can break into the top four this season.
Erm...
We should keep trying on Berbatov while searching for other options.
Apart from his quality as a player, what I really like about Berbatov is his desire to play for us! (Numerous reports of him saying this to Martin Jol and others, from the newswires in our local papers here). Could become a legend, lads.
The Ronaldo saga will make the Berbatov transfer more difficult for United. Spurs might use the same tactics used by United in keeping Ronaldo at OT....
If your strange notion were correct, then Spurs won't be selling Berbatov at any price. But they will be, and this will show your theory to be nonsense.
Making top 4 and playing in the CL would increase the club's value, but not by much since sustaining a place in top 4 would be unpredictable and thus too flimsy a basis for any buyer to shell out bucketloads of cash over.
The main way of increasing the club's value prior to any sale is by having everything in place - finance, a site and planning permission - for a new, increased capacity stadium, since this would bring about a guaranteed large increase in annual turnover. This it was the club are now arranging, with planning permission expected this Autumn for a new stadium to be built on land the club have already acquired right next door to the current stadium.
Enough about that. You credibility is at stake today. Tick - Tock - Tick
My credibility is not at stake one way or the other because I am not the source of the information. I've simply relayed it, with no 100% guarantee that it's correct. It's up to you to take it or leave it and frankly I don't care much which it is.
Ok, your source's cred then. Any updates?
The ITK concerned has made no further comments, which from one way of looking at it means no back-tracking.
However, a different ITK has this morning said MUFC have given Spurs a take it or leave it offer and the first reports of our response are words to effect of "bye bye fergie".
I realise that on this forum mention of Spurs ITK info is usually met with howls of derision, but both of these ITKs are respected, with a good track record.
Make of it what you will.
Latest betting on Sky Bet is Berbs to start the season for
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Why was today THE day? Because United are leaving for Africa? Thanks for the updates. So far your sources seem to not be as "in the know" as Cockneyhammer on Tevez.
@ ITK Spurs fans.Anyone could have cobbled together all that bollox from buying the Sunday World over the last fortnight. And they quite probably have.
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