Personally, Doc, I have no qualms with Osama's huge black vote. Amazing we're seeing a Black president, only a few decades after Ali threw his gold medal in the Hudson, as a consequence of not being served coffee at a diner. Of the two, as an outsider, Obama looked the only electable candidate. McCain seemed to be a Bush clone. Not surprised the Republican idiots voted for him, mind.
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Personally, Doc, I have no qualms with Osama's huge black vote. Amazing we're seeing a Black president, only a few decades after Ali threw his gold medal in the Hudson, as a consequence of not being served coffee at a diner. Of the two, as an outsider, Obama looked the only electable candidate. McCain seemed to be a Bush clone. Not surprised the Republican idiots voted for him, mind.
Most of what I've seen from the media especially regarding Palin would have me believe that this is the main criteria when voting, probably bs though...
Thats a good pic Spoons... *Jealous*
There has been very good reason for the 'intentional vagueness'...
To get elected, Obama had to appeal to the greater masses, it common sense. The more detailed he might have been, on any topic, the more he would have been open for attacks.
The trouble I have with 'Piss Takes' at this point, is if Obama told the truth about his desires for a better direction... the piss takers will be peeing fuel on the fire that burns in the circles of the Neo-Conservative-Mindless-Talking-Point-Zombies... Very simply, it shuts down the brains of those that might contribute to a better world.
The best example of an American Piss-Taker... Ann Coulter
People are done with the voices that shit all over anything that represents a positive direction.
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*And you can't say that I am an American that doesn't understand the concept of a good 'Piss-Take'... Afterall, I'm the one that posted the 'Idiocracy' video of a black President.
it enfranchised a large number of the population, not just blacks but college educated young people in general seemed to turn out in large numbers to vote for him.
mostly I'd chalk it up to a backlash against the horrendous Bush administration years. I still can't believe he wasn't a one termer like his daddy.
I dont think that turned out to be the case. I think it was a possibility but it was not so.
Personally, I think the fuss about the black vote comes down to several things - two in particular:
1) The proportion of black people who voted for Obama is staggering - not just new voters but former republican voters too.
2) After the last two elections and the mobilisation of the "religious right" as a motivated voting bloc, there was a serious concern that the Republicans would have elections sewn up for the foreseeable future. To some extent the religious vote collapsed because McCain is not their pick. But it was also offset by the black vote - and for those of us who are not religious it is nice to see another voting bloc motivated into that kind of concerted action, which is itself rare, if not unprecedented.
I think you are being a bit precious about this, but each to his own.
perhaps, but I was alluding to the fact that each and every president has substantially more net worth than almost every other "regular" American.
Doc, a lot of it is simply down to image. Obama looks cool(relatively speaking, of course) and he'll naturally appeal to the younger voters. I'm not sure how many people actually bother researching what candidates actually have to offer. That said, how much power does a leader actually have? Almost seems like a PR exercise. We had Michael Foot back in the early 80's, besides the fact that Labour weren't electable, I doubt he would've been elected even if they were. Kinnock was ginger and Welsh. People don't like ginger and Welsh. Blair looked the part for some reason and got elected.
...thank you.
To explain more clearly... With the troubles throughout the world (which are very serious troubles), there is a line that can be crossed when it comes to cheeky-shit... that article crosses that line towards what Obama is attempting to accomplish. A very specific intention is to reach out to all people of power, and create change. The Ann Coulterisms will only defeat themselves in these times. (How's that for precious?
)Is it really? I'm still baffled that he didn't get 100% of everybody's vote.
Like Spoons:
I couldn't see any reason to opt for McBush, especially when Palin turned up. I think like Spoons says it's an outsiders opinion.
It is staggering from a statistical perspective. I have no idea why some people voted for McCain, or ever vote Republican for that matter - but more than 45% voters did - yet very few black people are among that number.
...thank you.
To explain more clearly... With the troubles throughout the world (which are very serious troubles), there is a line that can be crossed when it comes to cheeky-shit... that article crosses that line towards what Obama is attempting to accomplish. A very specific intention is to reach out to all people of power, and create change. The Ann Coulterisms will only defeat themselves in these times. (How's that for precious?
You see that is where we differ. For me, everything is fair game when it comes to being ridiculed. I cant stand the notion that certain things are too serious or too important and are above being satirised. And in fact the more "inappropriate" comedy is, the funnier I personally tend to find it. Whether I agree with the message is irrelevant.
To be fair, Afro, I they probably voted for him because he looked like the best candidate and also was black. I suppose you could class it as sociological empowerment. And I don't see anything wrong with it at this moment in time.
I tell you in this election I wouldn't have voted for either of them, they both have oddly shaped heads.
my biggest concern is what's going to happen to Condelicious Rice.
Back to my original question then, why would they vote McCain? what of McCains policies would appeal to them? Why would they be interested in McCains divisive campaign as opposed to Obamas inclusive campaign? etc...
I'm sure yo have a point as you seem to know your onions, but I'm not getting it.
I'm new to this stuff, I still don't get he whole thing of keeping your vote to your chosen party... regardless of the candidates.
You're right, on some subconcious level race played apart in nominations for both parties... thats not staggering though. I see nought wrong either... probably balances it self out...
Surely a typo?
Well why wouldnt they? If "the black vote" is not an entity that is worth considering in its own right, then why should 45% ish of Americans vote for something but some tiny proportion of black voters do so? Forgetting about the colour of their skin they should be affected by the same issues. If white voters are concerned about things like socialism (high taxes), terrorism (the right to invade any country they like) or whatever, then surely a lot of black voters should too.
Im not sure if I understand your point any more than you understand mine to be honest, perhaps we're just missing each other. Your original point was:
Well, I say there was more to it than Republicans changing sides, though they did in their droves. It was specifically black republicans who changed sides, inspired by Obama, and black people who had never voted before. I believe that. (I could be wrong, I havent actually done any number crunching on this.)
feckin hell Doc. you like that? I don't see it myself.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. He's on a wind-up right?
Where is that 'Barfing Smiley'?!
On a more serious note, I'm hoping she will be sharing a Federal Prison cell with some large 65 yr old white lady named Bertha. It would only be right.
How's that for satire?
must be. I'd take Oprah over her any day.
Great job. You might even be in a position to give up your day job.
(How's that for sarcasm?)
Who would you rather sleep with? Condi or Nancy Pelosi?
If your post is basically what Storm said a while back then agree to an extent but noted a few posts back that this would be mirrored by a proportion of McCain voters, so I don't really find it staggering or important.
probably Condi, if that's the choice.
Hawt!
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feckin hell Doc. you like that? I don't see it myself.
it's more of a joke, from Saturday Night Live I think. ever since I saw it I've always called her Condelicous. (I think it was a Bill Clinton impersonation "Condolezza, I think you're Condelicous")
bob I'm in the dark here, what sort of stuff would she be guilty of?
Where did that spoof inauguration video go?
anyway, our black female political figures are hotter than yours. Canadian Governor General Michaelle Jean:
It came down to McCain's age and health problems that made Palin almost certain to become President.
Things that are YOUNGER than McCain:
Israel
TV commercials
Nylon
McDonalds
Things that are YOUNGER than McCain:
Israel
TV commercials
Nylon
McDonalds
I really do hope the GOP nominates this moron.
http://www.dailykos.com/
Africa is a country according to the idiots in Alaska....OK Ok....only according to Palin.
http://www.dailykos.com/
Africa is a country according to the idiots in Alaska....OK Ok....only according to Palin.
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Word up.
Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
you guys really love basketball
...thats the only explanationHis plans are written in extensive detail on his website. Anyone who wants to know what he plans to do only has to read.
you guys really love basketball
I still can't work it out, I thought at worst we'd hang on by five points or so.
Am I right in saying that Indiana was the state with comfortably the biggest swing from 2004 to the 2008 election? A 21-22 point swing I think.
I still can't work it out, I thought at worst we'd hang on by five points or so.
Am I right in saying that Indiana was the state with comfortably the biggest swing from 2004 to the 2008 election? A 21-22 point swing I think.
Don't be discouraged.
I generally don't lean to the right, but my riding was held by the Liberal party for 4 elections straight, naturally, I was happy. 3 elections ago it went Conservative. I wasn't upset because this type of change prevents complacency. It is important to 'clean house' so to speak every now and then. Now it does depend on what you clean house with - I think George Bush was not a good way to replace Clinton but maybe you have a different opinion. That is neither hear nor there, my point is be happy you live in an open minded area that can take both and not be indoctrinated with either. My riding has now been conservative for 3 straight elections - only now am I getting annoyed that it has not changed hands.
Anyway, I know you really wanted to keep Indiana 'red' - hopefully this perspective cheered you up a bit.
Cheers.