I'd come out and condemn what they did.
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I'd come out and condemn what they did.
Heard it all before, this has nothing to do with Islam e.t.c e.t.c
Yet it keeps happening and it will happen again
Real shame that Muslims only seem to be enraged when they feel a attack is directed towards them, I'm sure a Burkha ban or a Danish cartoon caused more of a sense of injustice in the Muslim world than any terrorist attack.
I'm sure we won't be seeing any marches by Muslim's condemning these terror attacks.
To answer your question what would I do and what I have done, when my Government continued what I believe to be an unjust War I would protest to show that doesn't represent what all British people believe in and that I condemn such attacks.
Now ask yourself what do you intend to do?
And if it happened again, and again?
It may be un-islamic to you gentlemen, hopefully to the majority of muslims, but terrorism is clearly being carried out by people who believe otherwise.
So what are you saying? Secretly all innocent peaceful muslims are happy with the way things are going?
Loads of things have been carried out in the name of white supremacy, or christianity but ive certainly not been marching on the streets condeming it.
Yes because Muslims worldwide are just totally fine with atrocities such as these
Any ideology that promotes an 'us and them' attitude (i.e. we're all god's people and you are not....or we're all going to heaven and you are not) has the potential to sprout terrorism in my opinion.
When you tie an 'us and them' ideology to a belief that you will survive your own death (whether through reincarnation or an afterlife), then there is the potential for suicidal terrorism.
I think this is true irrespective of the factual truth of any of the belief systems.
When you tie an 'us and them' ideology to a belief that you will survive your own death (whether through reincarnation or an afterlife), then there is the potential for suicidal terrorism.
I think this is true irrespective of the factual truth of any of the belief systems.
Exactly - I do not feel we hear enough from the top Muslim clerics of the world to denounce these type of attacks
It needs to come from the very top and Im not talking about a few press releases or speeches from the odd imam - Im talking about televised speeches all over the islamic world from the very top clerics of each Muslim sect to make it clear that these groups bring shame to the name of Islam
For the sake of argument if you did march to condemn it would you be doing a bad thing? Surely if you could educate other Muslims to threats they faced and how to deal with them in a more constructive way, it would be better than letting them fall under the influence of extremists?
I know, i said that in my post
You did, but only after saying "Islam has nothing to do with what these people do", when clearly it does.
this argument will only go around in a circleYes because Muslims worldwide are just totally fine with atrocities such as these
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
It's not a case of not being fine with the atrocities, but what is actively being done within Muslim communities to discourage or actively condemn people who believe in these actions, we see Muslims marching, organizing for what in my opinion seem to be far more trivial matters.
For the sake of argument, no it would not be a bad thing. But your evading my point.
How do you know muslims arent being "educated to threats they faced"?
Personally i dont feel the need for any muslim i meet to come up to me and say "by the way im totally against terrorism"
Your basing your argument about one incident that happened a couple of years ago. Ive never before or since seen a march like that.
The muslim leaders should come out for once and condemn it, just like they do when somebody disrespects God.
You are correct I do not know this
But we are left in no doubt when a Muslim is offended by something because my God you are quick to organize in these circumstances
They did, after 7/7
Im not a muslim by the way, far from it.
I just happen to base my oppinions on real world experience, not Daily mail bigotry.
Not on the same scale though, I'd expect them to do something serious about idiots who bring bad name to Islam.
You want people out on the streets? Dear o dear.
If a man utd hooligan kicks the crap out of a scouser, even kills one, would you be out on the streets singing "not in my name"? Like feck
I am not sure what you are on about at all - why are you talking about Daily Mail bigotry?
Yes, because it would be the decent thing to do
A highly relevant question.
If I had any information that would help the police catch and convict this hypothetical killer I would certainly go to them immediately.
When I hear the British police praising the muslim community for their assistance in finding and convicting islamic terrorists, then I won't be so suspicious of them.
There has been many instances where Muslims have passed on information which has led to arrests of potential terrorists.
Did you go out and protest when thousands of Muslims were massacred in the Gujarat riots?
How you ever seen protest marches and vocal condemnation of the horrific "Saffron Terror" against Muslims, and Christians?
Terrorism is a common enemy for us all, it has dire consequence regardless of which religious divide we belong.
Islam doesn't preach terrorism.
Terrorists preach terrorism.
Religion is simply being used like a tool, just like how Christianity was used during the Crusades.
Terrorists preach terrorism.
Religion is simply being used like a tool, just like how Christianity was used during the Crusades.
Lets keep the thread on track.
I'd be interested to know how the gunmen entered both hotels with weapons. Just a couple of weeks ago I had to put my luggage, and my myself through a security machine at one of the hotels attacked.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make exactly?
Are you saying that because others have not done the right thing in the past that the Muslim community should not do the right thing now either?
Personally, I am not asking for protest marches from the general public - I already know that the average Muslim condems these attacks so that is not what this is all about - as I have said, I want to see clear global public messages from the top levels of all the Islamic sects.
I believe it will go a long way toward to disuading some of the youth who join these terrorist organisations from becoming brainwashed to extremist points of view.
The Oberoi fire seems ot be getting worse
Having read the Qur'an, I personally think it perfectly possible to come to an interpretation which allows terrorism. Not that I think it is the 'correct' interpretation...I don't think anyone can claim to have the 'correct' interpretation of any religious scripture.
Thankfully, most Muslims seem to choose a more benign interpretation of the Qur'an and Hadiths.
Google "Muslims against terrorism". You will see how hard the Muslim community is working towards eliminating this curse.
Don't get me wrong Sultan, I'm one of those who believe religion has nothing to do with this shit. I just feel the Muslim leaders in India and Pakistan are not doing enough to fight terrorism and allowing some selfish bastards to mislead the youth in the name of religion. I felt the same about the Hindu leaders during the Gujarat riots despite being a strong BJP supporter.
Of course it is, the problem I had is that some posters have tried to claim religion has nothing to do with the current terrorism taking place, which is just plain wrong.
I don't think any religion teaches you to kill others. That is why I feel the leaders should come out and say that those who're doing this are not true Muslims.
Perhaps you have misunderstood my intentions, Sultan - I know there is plenty of good work being done by many in the Muslim community to eliminate terrorism and I applaud all these efforts.
I just ask for more strong, clear messages to be sent out from the very top levels of Islam as I believe it will help to counter the extremist propoganda that converts many young Muslims to fundamentalist causes.
Which Muslim leaders are you talking about roodboy? As far as I know, there isn't an Islamic communion or anything, like in Christianity for example. There is no unifying leader; no equivalent to the pope or archbishop of Canterbury.
These terrorists believe their version/interpretation is correct. Any leader, scholar or a Muslim condemning these acts are seen as hypocrite's by the terrorists. Any condemnation is likely to fall on deaf ears for those already radicalised.