Again, what point are you trying to make?
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Again, what point are you trying to make?
Funny you say that, but Palestinians are not allowed to work in Israel anymore and guess what...the Israeli economy is doing just fine (well, considering the current global crisis). Cheap labour is available from so may sources, so we don't "need" cheap Palestinian labour. Having said that, normal relationships between the two peoples would have provided jobs for 10,000's of Palestinians in Israel and helped THEIR economy.
Obviously, Mozzas think this is a plot to impoverish the otherwise wealthy Palestinians and therefore would rather see the Palestinians unemployed than provide cheap labour in Israel. It's not Palestinian engineers that we're talking about here, you know.
BTW, poverty in the Palestinian territories is against Israel interests. However, there are two organizations that thrive on Palestinian poverty, and in fact depend on it for their very existance: Hamas and UNRWA. Understanding this might help you understand who profits from economic stagnation in the territories.
Palestinians do work in Israel, their numbers are restricted, Israel is using workers from overseas because of the the drop in numbers allowed in from the west bank.
Obviously jobs for the Palestinians would help the Palestinians economy however that is no different from the black south Africans during apartheid, working but returning to the townships at night, that is Israels plan for the future of Palestine
Obviously jobs for the Palestinians would help the Palestinians economy however that is no different from the black south Africans during apartheid, working but returning to the townships at night, that is Israels plan for the future of Palestine
This of course has nothing to do with race or religion- there are many Arabs who are doing very well in Israeli universities in all fields of research. Having said that, the truth lies between your explanation that "time changes" and Fearless' assertion that Jews are genious and Muslims are not.
The stagnation in Arab societies stems from cultural differences, which in fact does correlate with religion but the role played by religion in society and not the nature of either religion. Thie more conservative/religious Muslim societies are less likely to promote secular education, critical thought etc. which are fundamental to scientific advance.
The US tv show '60 Minutes' did a segment on the Israeli/Palesinian situation, this past Sunday. They pointed out that there are only but three options; Genocide, Apartheid, or the Two state solution.
Tzipi Livni, the current foreign minister, possibly soon to be Prime Minister was interviewed. She basically said, there is no pleasant way to go about peace, but the two state solution appears to be the only way. She expects the drawback of the settlers to be a difficult task, as it had been proven to be in the past.
Palestinians have profited from Jewish growing economy for well before 1948, so your argument of evil Israeli plans can be placed back in your "ME gems" folder.
Palestinian "townships" would look much better if they started investing in improving them.
Out of the three the latter is the only one requiring the agreement of both sides. Unfortunately, Israel's democratically-elected government supporting this choice was met with a Palestinian equivalent promoting the first.
Until either option I or III are carried out, the situation will resemble option II.
I know Hamas is all about option 'I', it is moronic and suicidal and based in the most evil hatred of the Israelis.
Although, the religous zealots of Israel are all about option 'I', as well. The 60 Minutes show interviewed an Israeli Mayor of a settlement in the West Bank, her opinion of the Palestinian people was very clear.
Again so did the black South Africans during apartheid, that does not make their treatments at the hands of the white South Africans acceptable.
They can't improve without money, money won't be generated without economic expansion, that won't happen whilst their movement is restricted by Israel.
Two of a kind. In the PA they won the elections, while here they get less seats in the Parliament than Israeli Palestinian Arabs.
Israels democratically elected government offered the Palestinians apartheid
Very few nations, if any, got more foreign aid per capita than the Palestinian have since Oslo. It didn't improve Palestinian lives at all, did it? Investing in weapons and explosive is only going to profit a few individuals. One thing you can't take away from the Palestinians, especially compared to black South Africans, is their advances in rocket science.
A land cut up by settlement access roads, movement controlled by Israel, borders controlled by Israel, airspace controlled by Israel, building work subject to Israeli security concerns, Israel retaining the right to charge in and kill at will.
Hamas don't get money from Oslo
Israel blew up every government institution built with the money provided by Oslo after the Palestinians turned down apartheid
Here you are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
I think the point Fearless is trying to make is that Arab states as a whole should maybe dedicate some more energies to having themselves “sorted out”, provide better opportunities to their citizens, secularize themselves a tad, you know, that type of things, rather than stirring their peoples’ anger at external enemies.
There’s no intention of slurring anyone, no reference to “race” (whatever this word means) nor religion. It’s just a little reality check and the ones who happen to have some shortcomings should actually take note of these statistics to work on those same shortcomings.
As a statistician, I know how important data are to give an idea of social phenomena. The alternative is anedoctical evidence which is hardly a tool for analyzing anything.
But I have experienced that regardless of how rational and descriptive you try to be, certain truths don’t go down well anyway and this approach leads to the accuse of “racism” no matter what.
in the Arab world money goes to the ruling clan. The Arafats took all the money for more than a decade, and the Yassins have taken Iranian and Arab aid since, buying weapons and explosive.
Mr. ordinary Palestinian didn't get a cent
Every country in the world "retains the right to charge" if its neighbouring country launches rockets at it, and this right does not have to appear in any bilateral agreement. Your suggesting that Israel "deamnds" this as a special "right" reminds me that you once claimed that Israel should withdraw to the 1967 lines knowing that it will still get attacked after it did. Obviously, those attacks will be carried out by "uncontrollable" factions within Palestinian society, and Israel would just have to learn to live with them beacuse it won't have the "right to charge in and kill at will"...
Pure Mozza logic...you then wonder why Israel insist on security measures reagrding border control in any future Palestinian state.
No, you're confusing the ability to do something with the right to do something, you could break into someone home and take things you would not have the right however.
The terrorism will not stop immediately after a peace deal is signed, there will be splinter groups who continue to fight, it will decrease significantly however and eventually stop
The terrorism will not stop immediately after a peace deal is signed, there will be splinter groups who continue to fight, it will decrease significantly however and eventually stop
nicely put
I'm not confusing anything. If a neighbouring country attacks me, then I have every RIGHT to respond. It'd be nice to have the ability to do this obviously.
As for your prophecy...terrorism? What terrorism?
It's not a neighboring country that is attacking you
A better analogy would be.
If people living in your neighbors house throw rocks at you whenever you go outside, you could, and should go kick their ass. The difference here is that local law enforcement can intervene. The equivalent of local law enforcement in our analogy would be the UN which is a toothless ineffective organization.
Israel clearly have the right to defend themselves but in this instance, they should not defend themselves using force. Israel best defence would be if they stopped committing constant crimes. But this really should not be of any suprise given Barack's choice of middle east advisor, the odious zionist Dennis Ross.
They should use really harsh language? And how does BHO fit into this at this point? You're all over the place here.
3 rockets fired at southern Israel
Western Negev residents wake up to sounds of Color Red alert system, followed by explosions. One Qassam lands between two kindergartens in Eshkol Regional Council. Two hours later, Palestinians open fire at IDF force near border fence. Four mortar shells land in area several hours later. No injuries reported in all incidents
Ilana Curiel Latest Update: 02.01.09, 11:16 / Israel News
Operation Cast Lead ends, rocket fire continues: Three Qassam rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into the western Negev on Sunday morning. The Color Red alert system was activated in the Sha'ar Hanegev and Sdot Negev regional councils.
The rockets were launched at around 6:50 am. One landed in the Sdot Negev Regional Council and the other two hit the Eshkol Regional Council, one of them landing between two kindergartens. Fatah's military wing, the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the rocket fire.
At around 9 am, Palestinian gunmen fired at an IDF force near the border fence in the Kissufim area. The soldiers fired back. There were no injuries in all incidents.
Four mortar shells were fired at the western Negev at around 11 am. They landed in open areas within the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council, without causing injuries or damage.
On Saturday morning, a Grad rocket landed in an open area south of Ashkelon. There were no injuries in this incident as well.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3664761,00.html
Olmert: Our response will be disproportionate
Prime minister tells cabinet he instructed army to prepare for Israeli response to ongoing rocket fire. Foreign Minister Livni says Israel 'must use a lot of force against Hamas'. Defense Minister Barak: During election season there is a march of chitchat by people who have never held a weapon on their hand
Roni Sofer Published: 02.01.09, 10:44 / Israel News
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert clarified at the start of the weekly cabinet that Israel would respond forcibly to Sunday morning's rocket fire.
"The cabinet's position from the first moment was that if the south's residents are fired on, our response will naturally be disproportionate," he said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3664857,00.html
Western Negev residents wake up to sounds of Color Red alert system, followed by explosions. One Qassam lands between two kindergartens in Eshkol Regional Council. Two hours later, Palestinians open fire at IDF force near border fence. Four mortar shells land in area several hours later. No injuries reported in all incidents
Ilana Curiel Latest Update: 02.01.09, 11:16 / Israel News
Operation Cast Lead ends, rocket fire continues: Three Qassam rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into the western Negev on Sunday morning. The Color Red alert system was activated in the Sha'ar Hanegev and Sdot Negev regional councils.
The rockets were launched at around 6:50 am. One landed in the Sdot Negev Regional Council and the other two hit the Eshkol Regional Council, one of them landing between two kindergartens. Fatah's military wing, the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the rocket fire.
At around 9 am, Palestinian gunmen fired at an IDF force near the border fence in the Kissufim area. The soldiers fired back. There were no injuries in all incidents.
Four mortar shells were fired at the western Negev at around 11 am. They landed in open areas within the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council, without causing injuries or damage.
On Saturday morning, a Grad rocket landed in an open area south of Ashkelon. There were no injuries in this incident as well.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3664761,00.html
Olmert: Our response will be disproportionate
Prime minister tells cabinet he instructed army to prepare for Israeli response to ongoing rocket fire. Foreign Minister Livni says Israel 'must use a lot of force against Hamas'. Defense Minister Barak: During election season there is a march of chitchat by people who have never held a weapon on their hand
Roni Sofer Published: 02.01.09, 10:44 / Israel News
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert clarified at the start of the weekly cabinet that Israel would respond forcibly to Sunday morning's rocket fire.
"The cabinet's position from the first moment was that if the south's residents are fired on, our response will naturally be disproportionate," he said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3664857,00.html
More rockets. It's all our fault.
Gaza is still a prison so the fault is yours
It certainly is- you win your little internet battle, but Palestinian civilians who are minding their daily life business are going to be put at risk when the next Hamas terrorist shows up on an IAF radar.
You win, they lose. I'm sure you're OK with things as they are.
I'm not ok with the way things are, it is Israel that feels it's ok to lock up 1.5 million people 55% of whom are children, their suffering is your fault, their reaction is your fault
That just proves that killing 1300 people earlier didnt stop the rockets and it certaintly hasnt stopped Hamas.
Now do you see why the whole thing is just going in circles?
The IDF withdrawed from Gaza 2 weeks ago, based on an agreed cessation of fire. Hamas renewed rocket launching, which is going to result in heavy retaliation. Civilians that survived the previous exchanges are going to die because of the ongoing bombardment. You could scream all you want about blockades, prisons and "it's not Hamas", but Israel is left with very little option but repeat what it had started in late December.
Israel has many more options, Israel could open the borders, make a peace, instead it has chosen to sign a deal with America to maintain the prison, the blood is on Israel hands
You claim that Israel can expect more Palestinian terrorism even if "peace" is achieved and then go on suggesting Israel should open the borders before any such "peace" is even discussed. What do you think those "splinter groups" are going to import through those open borders- food for easing the "starvation" in Gaza?
Genious.
Hey, if it doesn't work, we're the ones who will be running for cover when the rockets are fired, not him. So easy sitting far away making suggestions.
There will be people who continue to fight, we in Britain have just dismantled a 200 pound bomb in Northern Ireland, you're living in a fantasy land if you think it'll be any different in Israel.
The borders need to be opened so the people of Gaza are no longer in a prison, 800,000 children jailed, a monstrous act that you support
And when we know we can do that without risking the security of people in Israel, we will. This is why firing rockets is so bloody stupid. All it does is strengthen our belief we can't afford to take that risk.