If we only sign Valencia...

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Will people be disappointed?

If so, why?

Regardless of how good you think he is, he'll obviously improve our team, give us a bit of added pace and directness and it'll make us a more complete team.

It's pretty clear that Valencia is a more team-orientated player than Ronaldo's ever been, and he'll not try to dominate the play as much. If Valencia settles then it might get us back to a similar level of free flowing football that we had back in 06/07, when we replaced a quite selfish(in a good way, largely) player in Van Nistelrooy for a more team orientated player in Saha.

I don't think anyone could really argue that Saha was a better player than Van Nistelrooy, but he helped the team more. When Ronaldo/Van Nistelrooy got on the ball the first thing on their mind was often just to go for goal, Valencia and Saha can be that direct when they want to but often choose to find a team mate instead.

You can look at that as a strength or a weakness, I'll choose to look at it as a strength.

I see plenty of similarities to the 06/07 season and if next season goes as well as that season I'll be absolutely over the moon.
 
yes because we need a striker.

Valencia - might turn out a great player but at United he'd have to show a heck of a lot more. Striker wise we're too light and with the opportunity to buy a top class striker available to us, it'd be a complete lack of ambition

Buying another striker doesn't have to be detremental to kiko or welbecks either. We've rooney and berbatov and two kids kiko and welbeck. it's just not enough.

Manucho? campbell? nothing really proven their either
 
I wouldn't be disappointed about signing Valencia but I think it would be risky if he was our only signing.

It would mean we'd be relying on a number of players such as Nani, Tosic, Welbeck, Macheda, Berbatov and even Rooney to really step up/raise their game this season.

Would be interesting though.
 
Nah I wont be disappointed. If SAF is happy then so am I.

I would like to get a new striker, and any long term injury to Rooney or Berbs will leave us very reliant on the younguns. But if SAF thinks they are up to the job then that is fine by me.
 
rocks13 said:
I wouldn't be disappointed about signing Valencia but I think it would be risky if he was our only signing.

It would mean we'd be relying on a number of players such as Nani, Tosic, Welbeck, Macheda, Berbatov and even Rooney to really step up/raise their game this season.

Would be interesting though.
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I'm backing those three to do just that, the latter two especially and I'm quite confident about it, not sure whether it's justified faith in Nani or just blind faith these days though...
 
I think the problem is that everybody knows we're sitting on around £100m, so supposing we signed Valencia for around £20m then a lot of fans would be waiting for the other £80m to be spent. If not this summer, then January, then maybe next summer etcetera.

I personally think that our squad depth last season was one of our strengths, so I would want to see direct replacements - so Ronaldo out, Valencia in, Tevez out, striker in. I don't really care about their reputations, or perceived quality, as long as Fergie thinks that they're suitable then that's fine - I just don't want a thinner squad. Originally I also thought we needed an extra winger, but if Tosic and Nani are up to the job then we're fine.

Feck I'm looking forward to next season
 
I'd like us to buy one or two, but I reckon with a replacement for Ronaldo (probably Valencia who I rate quite highly) we have a good chance. The young lads could have a blinder. I'd like to see them get chances.

That said, I'd probably be a bit more comfortable with one more player coming in up front.
 
I think it would leave us a bit short of cover for Berbatov and Rooney, especially if Campbell leaves, and possibly the team would be a bit short of class in midfield. A lot to ask of Welbeck and Macheda to step up to be 3rd and 4th choice strikers, though would love to see it in a way.

The market doesn't look great this summer - like last summer.
 
I'd be disappointed because I don't think he is United standard. He won't get many goals and I think we need the goals to come from the midfield a bit more. Carrick, Fletcher and Scholes will get about 3 each a season where as Lampard and Gerrard get 20 a season.

We need to replace the goals and Valencia doesn't score many and I don't think he is United quality, nor is he worth the money we apparently are buying him for.
 
Solius said:
I'd be disappointed because I don't think he is United standard. He won't get many goals and I think we need the goals to come from the midfield a bit more. Carrick, Fletcher and Scholes will get about 3 each a season where as Lampard and Gerrard get 20 a season.

We need to replace the goals and Valencia doesn't score many and I don't think he is United quality, nor is he worth the money we apparently are buying him for.
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I think Valencia is a pretty good player - not anywhere near top level. Yet. The key is that SAF has seemingly had the lad watched over and over again and retains an interest. There must be something there. He has a good turn of speed, something which the OP rightly flags as being a weak point of the current squad. I think he delivers a fairly potent cross as well. His goal tall could definetly be better.

I think people are writing off Nani far too soon. He was very, very good in his first season and then massively underwhelming in his second. But in fairness, this is pretty much par for the course with young, new players. Besides, SAF even said that he expected the second season to be one of growth and transition from Nani. I wouldn't be too displeased if we had him down one wing and Valencia down the other - that represents of continuation of United traditions with two hell for leather wingers - both of whom can improve, but have immense potential.

One thing is for sure, if we are to revert to a more traditional United style, with two wingers of that ilk, the middle of the park needs to be shored up. Fletcher needs to maintain form. Though I'm confident he's now established himself as a top class performer. We need Anderson to come on and fulfill his potential, given that he had something of an up and down season as well. I'd still like to see us strengthen that area of the field - or get Hargreaves fit.

Put simply though, I would be disappointed if Valencia was the only signing. This is because we were talking about needing another wide man when we still had Ronaldo and Tevez here. Now they are gone, I'd say we need at least one front line attacking player - not two though. Lets invest a bit of faith in the likes of Welbeck, Macheda and Nani.
 
No, as it means that players like Welbeck and Macheda will be given a proper chance.

Excited about the prospect of a first team squad with youngsters like the twins, Evans, Gibson, Welbeck and Macheda.
 
Solius said:
I'd be disappointed because I don't think he is United standard. He won't get many goals and I think we need the goals to come from the midfield a bit more. Carrick, Fletcher and Scholes will get about 3 each a season where as Lampard and Gerrard get 20 a season.

We need to replace the goals and Valencia doesn't score many and I don't think he is United quality, nor is he worth the money we apparently are buying him for.
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We aint buying him to score goals. He's a traditional hard working, speedy winger with a good cross. It's up for others to find the net, while he might get loads of assist.

He definitely has the potential to become a solid United player, even a great one.
 
sincher said:
I think it would leave us a bit short of cover for Berbatov and Rooney, especially if Campbell leaves, and possibly the team would be a bit short of class in midfield. A lot to ask of Welbeck and Macheda to step up to be 3rd and 4th choice strikers, though would love to see it in a way.

The market doesn't look great this summer - like last summer.
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If Campbell does leave then I think he we need another striker.

If not, I'm ok with Campbell, Welbeck and Macheda as back-up for Rooney and Berbatov.

I would definitely be excited about this eventuality. I would much rather see our kids get their chance rather than getting sucked into the insane transfer cluster-feck this summer and end up signing an over-priced prima donna who will start whinging if he sits out a few "big games" this season.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, as it means that players like Welbeck and Macheda will be given a proper chance.

Excited about the prospect of a first team squad with youngsters like the twins, Evans, Gibson, Welbeck and Macheda.
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Agree with this.

Fair chance next season will be a "transition" season, but if we can develop some of our own youngsters then it'll be great.

You don't want to turn into Arsenal and forever be developing youth but not competing for trophies. But if you can develop players who form the backbone of another great Fergie team then it'll be worth it.
 
hard to say for sure. I think SAF will probably buy more than 1 player - a replacement for Tevez and Ronaldo. After that who knows.

In the long run, maybe SAF has super faith in our youth - Tosic, Nani, Petrucci, Ljajic, Macheda, Welbeck, Anderson. Maybe he sees this as a good time for these to break through. that is potentially a top class midfield and forward line, if potential is to be believed

He will certainly give them opportunities, if good enough
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
We aint buying him to score goals. He's a traditional hard working, speedy winger with a good cross. It's up for others to find the net, while he might get loads of assist.

He definitely has the potential to become a solid United player, even a great one.
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Then we shouldn't buy him imo. I said we need to replace some of the goals Ronaldo scores.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If Campbell does leave then I think he we need another striker.

If not, I'm ok with Campbell, Welbeck and Macheda as back-up for Rooney and Berbatov.

I would definitely be excited about this eventuality. I would much rather see our kids get their chance rather than getting sucked into the insane transfer cluster-feck this summer and end up signing an over-priced prima donna who will start whinging if he sits out a few "big games" this season.
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I wish I had been sucked into more cluster fecks before I settled down and got married. They sound mint.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, as it means that players like Welbeck and Macheda will be given a proper chance.

Excited about the prospect of a first team squad with youngsters like the twins, Evans, Gibson, Welbeck and Macheda.
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i am too....

but isnt it a bit much to expect players like welbeck and macheda who are 19 and 17 to score goals on a regular basis? this is the issue we need to address with ronaldo leaving as I cant see nani scoring more than 7/8, berbatov more than 15 or rooney more than 20 - even these predictions are optimistic

i'd really love to see a top stiker come in and let the young strikers develop at their own pace and not be thrust into the action with too much pressure on them - as for the twins rafael really benefitted from the break he got from injury and fabio couldnt really get fit for a run in the team

evans could slot into our defence now and do a great job

it is exciting but i think we need something to bridge the gap between youth and experience

remember when we won the title with kids....we had players like cantona, hughes, giggs, keane, bruce, pallister, irwin, parker, sharpe and schmeichal in the squad
 
charleysurf said:
Agree with this.

Fair chance next season will be a "transition" season, but if we can develop some of our own youngsters then it'll be great.

You don't want to turn into Arsenal and forever be developing youth but not competing for trophies. But if you can develop players who form the backbone of another great Fergie team then it'll be worth it.
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Why?
 
sincher said:
Why post then?
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Ironic, isn't it?

If you'd rather me elaborate then you get it:

I don't understand where this sudden opinion comes from that he's so good he can simply replace Ronaldo... for that fact, there's nobody who can, but why replace him with a mid-table, clearly figured out winger than someone who can make a GOOD impact on the side?

There seems to be alot of over-rating around here, and it's also in the media... a guy with alot of shine, a bit of substance, but not alot of actual brilliant talent... he didn't look all that good last season, and his price has been driven up in a market where everyone and their grandmother is worth too much.
 
charleysurf said:
Agree with this.

Fair chance next season will be a "transition" season, but if we can develop some of our own youngsters then it'll be great.

You don't want to turn into Arsenal and forever be developing youth but not competing for trophies. But if you can develop players who form the backbone of another great Fergie team then it'll be worth it.
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Agreed.

The fact that Nani and Anderson haven't come on quite as quickly as we might have hoped, combined with Scholes seemingly being on his last-legs and Giggs being used so sparingly raises the possibility of being back in transition again. Losing Ronaldo and Tevez at the same time means this is even more likely.

Buying our way out of it isn't the answer (Anderson and Nani are already at the club, after all) so I haven't got any problem with looking at the longer-term squad development and having a (relatively) unsuccesful season while SAF brings on our talented kids as the basis of his next great team.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If Campbell does leave then I think he we need another striker.

If not, I'm ok with Campbell, Welbeck and Macheda as back-up for Rooney and Berbatov.

I would definitely be excited about this eventuality. I would much rather see our kids get their chance rather than getting sucked into the insane transfer cluster-feck this summer and end up signing an over-priced prima donna who will start whinging if he sits out a few "big games" this season.
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Yeah it's hard to see any good deals around this summer. For that reason we might not buy lots of players.
 
Seems to me that some people have accepted we're buying Valencia and are trying to convince themselves he's good enough. If we do sign him I hope I am proved wrong.
 
No, because if we do think we'll be a much weaker team than if we bought better players, and players in other areas. We might play better football, which to some is the be all and end all, but I don't want us to lose the Premier League and want us to regain the European Cup, and I don't think Valencia is the player to make that happen, certainly not on his own.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Agreed.

The fact that Nani and Anderson haven't come on quite as quickly as we might have hoped, combined with Scholes seemingly being on his last-legs raised the possibility of being back in transition again. Losing Ronaldo and Tevez at the same time means this is even more likely.

Buying our way out of it isn't the answer (Anderson and Nani are already at the club, after all) so I haven't got any problem with looking at the longer-term squad development and having a (relatively) unsuccesful season while SAF brings on our talented kids as the basis of his next great team.
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I don't buy into all this transition nonsense.

The makings of a class team is still there. Tevez is not a big miss, although Ronaldo obviously is.

I think if we get the level of performance we expect from Berbatov, get Nani and Anderson back on proper track and supplement what is still an outstanding squad with two choice additions, we will be challenging heavily again.
 
Solius said:
Seems to me that some people have accepted we're buying Valencia and are trying to convince themselves he's good enough. If we do sign him I hope I am proved wrong.
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The fact that SAF has been after Valencia for so long is pretty good evidence that he is good enough. Not much convincing needed on my part.

That aside, I've rated him as a really top young player since the World Cup in 2006 and have seen nothing to contradict this every time I've watched him for Wigan.
 
sincher said:
Yeah it's hard to see any good deals around this summer. For that reason we might not buy lots of players.
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We're not going to buy lots of players even if they all of a sudden become available. Is it not possible that the no news of transfers situation is because United are just being cautious, waiting for the sting to go out of the market a little bit?

SAF most likely knows who he wants. Things are probably progressing at a better rate than we all realise.

The old man always sorts it. We'll be smiling come August 15th.
 
INF-AMOS said:
Ermmm…. Maybe to reiterate the original posters viewpoint thus giving a little more weight to it.
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I hate it when people do that. It's just noise in the forum. At least say something worth reading.

The worst at the moment is quoting someone and saying 'This', which seems to have superceded 'Seconded' as the laziest shittest post on the forum.
 
I wouldn't be disappointed as I would imagine Fergie would invest the money wisely if not this season, then the next.

I wouldn't be disappointed too because Valencia would be a good addition to our team in terms of team play quality, plus it would mean our youngsters will recieve yet more oportunities in the first team, more chance of watching Tosic and Ljajic as well..

However I'm a bit concerned on our ability to cope without Tevez and Ronaldo since they were magnificient players for us and how many times did they get us out of a jam?
But I think our style would change and we could be better as a team.

On the positives as well, I think both Rooney and Bebatov will give a step forward this season and step up as maybe our most important players, or at least I certainly hope so, and maybe that makes up for the absences of Ronaldo and Tevez.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, as it means that players like Welbeck and Macheda will be given a proper chance.

Excited about the prospect of a first team squad with youngsters like the twins, Evans, Gibson, Welbeck and Macheda.
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Have you all forgotten the wise words of football expert Alan Hansen?

'You don't win anything with kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Solius said:
Seems to me that some people have accepted we're buying Valencia and are trying to convince themselves he's good enough. If we do sign him I hope I am proved wrong.
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I think quite a few of us have been championing him for a while, at least since the links first started(last summer-ish, IIRC).

I don't need to convince myself of anything. I reckon he'd be a good addition whether we sign him or not. Whether that turns out to be the case is another matter.
 
As people mentioned before I too think Campbell is the solution..
 
Chirag said:
As people mentioned before I too think Campbell is the solution..
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I'd love to see it, but he is a bit of an inbetweener. Not good enough to usurp the current first choice two, and then arguably a place on the bench for him is just keeping Macheda or Welbeck out.

I suspect a £6-8m bid and SAF may think its good business.
 
rocks13 said:
Have you all forgotten the wise words of football expert Alan Hansen?

'You don't win anything with kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, how wrong was he? Arsenal have been raking in the trophies recent years haven't they.
 
sincher said:
I hate it when people do that. It's just noise in the forum. At least say something worth reading.

The worst at the moment is quoting someone and saying 'This', which seems to have superceded 'Seconded' as the laziest shittest post on the forum.
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:lol: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALRIGHT !!!

I'll never do it again, for i'm opposing the great sincher.
 
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