United move appeals to Mourinho

Eyepopper said:
In the time before and after that one season you mention is there anything to suggest that Mourinho would adopt an attacking style of play?

Also in terms of player development, can you list any players that has come through the ranks under Mourinho at any club, and not been bought in?
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As far as I know, Porto were quite attacking, domestically, under him. In Europe he was coming up agaisnt bigger sides that required a more pragmatic approach.

Has Mourinho been at any club long enough to make his mark on a youth set up and thus bring players through?
 
He is too ambitious so he would not stay that long. Real or Portugal would tempt him after a few years.

I would like to see Moyes come as No2 to SAF and for there to be a seamless transition when he eventually goes.
 
Truth to be told I believe SAF favours him too, then followed perhaps by Moyes and O'neil.

Mourinho must be wanking himself silly over the thought of United. It does seem written in the stars.
 
anyone else think that SAF is saving all the cash we got in this summer for Ronaldo for a new manager to come in? It would make the prospect of replacing the great man less daunting knowing that they have a big budget to spend.
 
Mitch Conor said:
As far as I know, Porto were quite attacking, domestically, under him. In Europe he was coming up agaisnt bigger sides that required a more pragmatic approach.

Has Mourinho been at any club long enough to make his mark on a youth set up and thus bring players through?
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Well the question of him not being at any club long enough to bring youth through raises a point in itself but the question still remains, maybe he'd be brilliant developing youth or, maybe he'd be absolutely shit at it....

In terms of attacking play, well I cant ever see a Mourinho team playing the style of out and out attacking play that is the Utd way.

I'm not sure he had an attacking style of play at Porto, I'd have said it was more combative, but I can tell you that to win the league there he signed Valente, Derlie, Ferreira, Emanuel, Jankauskas, & Maniche so again was reliant on buying in a fair portion of his talent.

He's obviously a good manager but I dont think he's ever had to face a real crisis in his career and I wouldn't like to see the first of these being at Utd.

I'm not ruling him out but for me he's no better a candidate than Moyes.
 
Eyepopper said:
I'm not ruling him out but for me he's no better a candidate than Moyes.
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Except that Mourinho is the most successful manager in the World who's under 50.

Oh, also the fact that Moyes doesn't get on with our star player.
 
Cal? said:
Oh, also the fact that Moyes doesn't get on with our star player.
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Moyes has a problem with De Laet? :)

Yes, the Moyes and Rooney situation is a problem.
 
Eyepopper said:
Well the question of him not being at any club long enough to bring youth through raises a point in itself but the question still remains, maybe he'd be brilliant developing youth or, maybe he'd be absolutely shit at it....

In terms of attacking play, well I cant ever see a Mourinho team playing the style of out and out attacking play that is the Utd way.

I'm not sure he had an attacking style of play at Porto, I'd have said it was more combative, but I can tell you that to win the league there he signed Valente, Derlie, Ferreira, Emanuel, Jankauskas, & Maniche so again was reliant on buying in a fair portion of his talent.

He's obviously a good manager but I dont think he's ever had to face a real crisis in his career and I wouldn't like to see the first of these being at Utd.

I'm not ruling him out but for me he's no better a candidate than Moyes.
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Yeah, he bought players at porto, but he didn't spend big on any of them.

Then look at United last season.

VDS, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez, Anderson etc - all players bought, all important players in our success. Last season the only youth products (came through the ranks) were really Evans, O'Shea, Neville, Scholes, Fletcher and Giggs. Evans is the only recent addition to that list. Clubs can't rely on bringing in youth team players and being successful. Though Barcelona have managed it - they are an exception imo.

I would say Mourinho is a better choice than Moyes. While they both have experience in the league, Moyes has none in Europe.
 
p_ps_sock said:
errr, 06/07?

He's the only option really, may not be the great success here that he was at porto or chelsea but he'll guarantee CL football and given the debt thats exactly what we need.
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Yeah, sorry, I had a bit of a brain fart there.

But the sentiments are the same. If you look head-to-head, the you could argue that Jose is the only manager who has outgunned SAF. Though he doesn't have the longevity.

To those people saying he can only do it with a cheque book - nonsense!

One of his main qualities is his charisma and man management abilities. Players are prepared to run through brick walls for him. He is also very, very good at creating a siege mentality and taking all the pressure off the players and onto himself.

He is actually very, very similar to SAF.
 
Devil_forever said:
Yes! BUT only if he plays good football and develops our youngster, otherwise no. I fancy Martinez to take over, he's got everything in his locker.
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He has a good philosophy, but I'd be shocked if we recruited a manager with such little top-level experience.
 
Mixed reactions with this one then.

Personally I'm not too sure, I've always stated that I didn't want him but then I can't really see anyone else who could come and do a job. I think Moruinho is probably better suited to the job more than just about anyone else.

My main concerns are the brand of football he generally plays, his first season at Chelsea they did play some fantastic stuff but I still think it was built on a solid defense and in later season he seemed to go even more defensive in his approach.

If he could in and still play an attractive style of football think I'd think he'd be a success, how long he'd stay would be another factor - think he's already stated that he'd like to Coach Portugal in the future so would the appointment only be a stop gap appointment?

Either way, the board (and Sir Alex if he as a say in it) have a hell of a job when the time comes to replace the great man. They could probably do a lot worse than Mourhino - not sure if they could do a lot better though.
 
ERICSAGOD said:
Apart from the fact that Maureen is an arrogant, egotistical little cnut!
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It's all part of the show mate. I have seen interviews with Mourinho where he appears to be a very grounded individual. It's part of the game he plays, to divert attention onto himself and away from his players. And you must say, it is effective.

We can be guilty of not seeing what is right in front of us. I'm sure opposition fans feel exactly the same about Ferguson when he shoots from the hip.
 
Trippin_Stoned said:
Mixed reactions with this one then.

Personally I'm not too sure, I've always stated that I didn't want him but then I can't really see anyone else who could come and do a job. I think Moruinho is probably better suited to the job more than just about anyone else.

My main concerns are the brand of football he generally plays, his first season at Chelsea they did play some fantastic stuff but I still think it was built on a solid defense and in later season he seemed to go even more defensive in his approach.

If he could in and still play an attractive style of football think I'd think he'd be a success, how long he'd stay would be another factor - think he's already stated that he'd like to Coach Portugal in the future so would the appointment only be a stop gap appointment?

Either way, the board (and Sir Alex if he as a say in it) have a hell of a job when the time comes to replace the great man. They could probably do a lot worse than Mourhino - not sure if they could do a lot better though.
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Utopian idealism is this.

Fact is, the vast majority of fans would be up in arms if United went through a spell of Arsenal like mediocrity once Ferguson leaves.

It really is impossible to gauge how he'd play until he actually got a hold of our players.

In addition, does anyone care to watch a re-run of our last 3 seasons in Europe and comment on the type of football we have played. It hasn't been the swashbuckling stuff that we all revere.
 
In a heartbeat

But i'd much rather have Fergie until he's no longer fit enough to manage.
 
Feed Me said:
Utopian idealism is this.

Fact is, the vast majority of fans would be up in arms if United went through a spell of Arsenal like mediocrity once Ferguson leaves.

It really is impossible to gauge how he'd play until he actually got a hold of our players.

In addition, does anyone care to watch a re-run of our last 3 seasons in Europe and comment on the type of football we have played. It hasn't been the swashbuckling stuff that we all revere.
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yep - we weren't that good to watch last season in the league either - by our usual standards.

But still, some concerns re: style of football and some over his tendency to get itchy feet. Otherwise he would fit like a glove. Has the arrogance to take the job in his stride and charisma to rile ABUs no end. :devil:
 
Feed Me said:
Utopian idealism is this.

Fact is, the vast majority of fans would be up in arms if United went through a spell of Arsenal like mediocrity once Ferguson leaves.

It really is impossible to gauge how he'd play until he actually got a hold of our players.

In addition, does anyone care to watch a re-run of our last 3 seasons in Europe and comment on the type of football we have played. It hasn't been the swashbuckling stuff that we all revere.
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That much is true, but I still think he does tend to have a cautious approach, its not something people have plucked out of thin air.

And we might not have been swashbuckling last year, but its still our intention to play nice attractive football - for whatever reason(s) it didn't quite work out that way.

Europe is a different bag too. I'm sure many of the fans realise this (me included), Mourhino did tend to adopt similar stifling strategies against many of the Premier League's opposition.

Like I said though, he does seem like the obvious choice to replace Sir Alex when he finally does decide to retire.
 
Cal? said:
Except that Mourinho is the most successful manager in the World who's under 50.

Oh, also the fact that Moyes doesn't get on with our star player.
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Like I saw I'm not advocating Moyes or Mourinho, I'm saying as far as I'm concerned there are as many questions over Mourinho as there are over Moyes (for me), they may be different questions but they are there none the less.

I think they're two good managers to compare, Mourinho has had success in terms of trophies but he's always had money. He achieved success at Porto but buying in a lot of talent, once they achieved what they did he was snapped up by Chelsea with an unlimited budget, again he did his job and brought them success and was off before it faded, to an Inter side totally dominant in Seria A, and again he's achieved success with them.

Moyes on the otherhand has taken Everton on a shoestring budget and consistently punched above his weight with them. He's broken into the top 4 and also survived a relegation battle with them at no time really looking like he couldn't handle it and get the best out of the resources he's had. Granted the backing of a chairman with a brain has been very important.

When I say that for me Mourinho is no clearer cut a choice than Moyes what I mean is that while he's achieved success he's done it with resources available to him that if the likes of Moyes had they are capable of similar. You can say Mourinho has won titles that Moyes hasnt (And Moyes is just and eg here) but I can say that Moyes has faced tough times and struggles that Mourniho hasnt had and he has succeeded in as much as he could have been expected to.

For me its just not a clear decision based on the fact that Mourinho has won titles.
 
Trippin_Stoned said:
That much is true, but I still think he does tend to have a cautious approach, its not something people have plucked out of thin air.

And we might not have been swashbuckling last year, but its still our intention to play nice attractive football - for whatever reason(s) it didn't quite work out that way.

Europe is a different bag too. I'm sure many of the fans realise this (me included), Mourhino did tend to adopt similar stifling strategies against many of the Premier League's opposition.

Like I said though, he does seem like the obvious choice to replace Sir Alex when he finally does decide to retire.
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But he did play attacking football at Chelsea as well.

Just because you have a parsimonious backline, it doesn't mean that you aren't capable of attacking as well.
 
Eyepopper said:
Like I saw I'm not advocating Moyes or Mourinho, I'm saying as far as I'm concerned there are as many questions over Mourinho as there are over Moyes (for me), they may be different questions but they are there none the less.

I think they're two good managers to compare, Mourinho has had success in terms of trophies but he's always had money. He achieved success at Porto but buying in a lot of talent, once they achieved what they did he was snapped up by Chelsea with an unlimited budget, again he did his job and brought them success and was off before it faded, to an Inter side totally dominant in Seria A, and again he's achieved success with them.

Moyes on the otherhand has taken Everton on a shoestring budget and consistently punched above his weight with them. He's broken into the top 4 and also survived a relegation battle with them at no time really looking like he couldn't handle it and get the best out of the resources he's had. Granted the backing of a chairman with a brain has been very important.

When I say that for me Mourinho is no clearer cut a choice than Moyes what I mean is that while he's achieved success he's done it with resources available to him that if the likes of Moyes had they are capable of similar. You can say Mourinho has won titles that Moyes hasnt (And Moyes is just and eg here) but I can say that Moyes has faced tough times and struggles that Mourniho hasnt had and he has succeeded in as much as he could have been expected to.

For me its just not a clear decision based on the fact that Mourinho has won titles.
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Moyes has had money to spend. This so called "shoestring budget" is something of a myth. I think by and large though, he has done absolutely outstanding business in the transfer market.

You can't use money as a stick to beat Mourinho with. Many managers have had shed loads to spend and it has not guaranteed success. The hard part is getting all of the egos to fit into a unanimous team ethic. Mourinho is a master at building a team.
 
Feed Me said:
Moyes has had money to spend. This so called "shoestring budget" is something of a myth. I think by and large though, he has done absolutely outstanding business in the transfer market.

You can't use money as a stick to beat Mourinho with. Many managers have had shed loads to spend and it has not guaranteed success. The hard part is getting all of the egos to fit into a unanimous team ethic. Mourinho is a master at building a team.
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Even the Everton chairman has said that Moyes deserves more money, they are actively looking for investment.

And I'm not using money as a stick to beat Mourinho I'm saying that he's never had to manage without it and that building a team is hard one way or the other both have done it but it can only be easier with massive funds available.
 
Eyepopper said:
Even the Everton chairman has said that Moyes deserves more money, they are actively looking for investment.

And I'm not using money as a stick to beat Mourinho I'm saying that he's never had to manage without it and that building a team is hard one way or the other both have done it but it can only be easier with massive funds available.
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On Moyes, I can see where you are coming from. He has been very good if you compare to the likes of Villa and Spurs, but he has still had decent wedge to spend. The problem can sometimes be handing vast sums to a manager who hasn't handled it before... Mind you, everyone has to start somewhere.

For the record, I'd love Mourinho after Ferguson. But if not, I'd be very happy with Moyes.
 
Well for all my life regardless of bias I have seen some football clubs as the bastion of creative imaginitive football, playing the game the way we all know how it should be played - Utd, West Ham, Liverpool and Tottenham back in the day and our own Arsenal under Wenger

Unless Mourinhio undergoes some kind of labotomy I can't see that Ferguson would want him anywhere near Old Trafford.

He would tear down overnight, not the ability to win trophies but in a footballing romantic sense everything that Utd stands for.

Mourinhio is a great manager already, no doubt about that, given his time managaing he's already a long way ahead of trophies compared to Ferguson ! but I dont know if I'd want him at my club.

I know there is a trade off with silverware and spectacular football but Ferguson has trod that difficult path brilliantly.

Also one thing Mourinhio lacks is any history of rebuilding sides - he 's never around long enough to be replacing what he's already built! So he's an unknown quantity in that respect

I'm surprised he is such a 'wanted' potential replacement tbh
 
Jopub said:
Also one thing Mourinhio lacks is any history of rebuilding sides - he 's never around long enough to be replacing what he's already built! So he's an unknown quantity in that respect
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Thats part of the point I was trying to make
 
What United fans need to get used to is that we could go one of two routes. We could go down one with a manager who could gaurentee us good football but not guarantee success. Or we could have guaranteed success but not the football we desire. There are not many who combine the two like Alex Ferguson.
 
Mixed feelings on this one. His transfer record isn't fantastic, and we just don't have the cash to cover his errors. He'd need to get it right more often than he gets it wrong, which was the opposite case at Chelsea. Style of play's a problem too, but as people said, a return to his early Chelsea cavalier style would be welcome.

I quite like the idea of Moyes personally. He's a very good younger manager, miracle worker in the transfer market, good tactically, and his teams can mix decent styled football with a competitive and physical presence. Question marks over his ability to manage at the top level (i.e. in Europe) though.
 
Jopub said:
Well for all my life regardless of bias I have seen some football clubs as the bastion of creative imaginitive football, playing the game the way we all know how it should be played - Utd, West Ham, Liverpool and Tottenham back in the day and our own Arsenal under Wenger

Unless Mourinhio undergoes some kind of labotomy I can't see that Ferguson would want him anywhere near Old Trafford.

He would tear down overnight, not the ability to win trophies but in a footballing romantic sense everything that Utd stands for.

Mourinhio is a great manager already, no doubt about that, given his time managaing he's already a long way ahead of trophies compared to Ferguson ! but I dont know if I'd want him at my club.

I know there is a trade off with silverware and spectacular football but Ferguson has trod that difficult path brilliantly.

Also one thing Mourinhio lacks is any history of rebuilding sides - he 's never around long enough to be replacing what he's already built! So he's an unknown quantity in that respect

I'm surprised he is such a 'wanted' potential replacement tbh
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He is such a popular choice because there is a lack of standout candidates at the moment. He is a proven winner, and he could definitely handle following Ferguson. Whether he would make a success of it is one thing, but he himself would have no doubts, and that for me is a key point.

As for his style of play, its a very small concern for me. United haven't exactly been free-flowing for a number of years, but we still play good football because we have top quality players. That won't change under Mourinho.
 
id love to see mourinho as our next manager,

we should get cantana as no.2 :devil:

dont know why, but i have always wanted to see cantana as a manager, think hed be great.
 
Sparky19 said:
his teams play negative and boring football

no thanks
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Don't think so - 04/05 - lots of goals , record points , thrashed us
3-1 at OT...... have a go at Maureen by all means but get your facts
right......

Maureen would be a no-risk successor for me, knows the league, knows
how to win League & CL, can handle a BIG club, the media, his opponents...
 
i never said there wouldnt be problems, id just like to see it.

and cantona, sorry
 
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