Nani

AttackingFlair said:
His outside of the foot pass to Berbatov? His pass to Owen vs Wigan? Most the passes he does to Evra..
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All great examples of successful passes to playings without them breaking their stride, but then look at the number of times he misses just about 10ft passes to players who are making a move for space. It is unbelievable at this level. It usually falls under the radar as he will do something to spectacular as in some of these passes you have mentioned. There are certain positions in a team that demands that you pass fairly well.
When he gets to the outside of the penalty box, he can't time the running of his mates well and his pass across the penalty box is either behind or well ahead of them. Rooney has been complaining, Berba got pissed of today as well.
I see it as a timing issue, it could also be just pure lack of communication. How well is his English? Who are his friends in the team after Ronaldo left? These are just general questions just for me to know how comfortable he feels in the team. That is all
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In his last couple of games I must have missed the "half great" bit. Thought tonight was his best game in a while.
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That sadly says it all. Beat the full back regularly but again failed to produce any real quality. The cross that led to the goal the best of a very bad bunch and Berbatov had to rescue that to turn it into anything. He's fast running out of time to save his United career.
 
acnumber9 said:
The cross that led to the goal the best of a very bad bunch and Berbatov had to rescue that to turn it into anything. He's fast running out of time to save his United career.
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:lol: He's only human, he managed to hit the target of our only player in the box.
 
Most of the time his passes that give the ball away are when he's slowed down and decided not to go past a player. So once he's decided that its best not to run with the ball and play a "comfortable" pass just to keep a hold of the ball. Its like he thinks they are easier passes than they are and he underhits them or is a bit inaccurate with them and the opposition telegraph his pass. He has the vision and execution to play some good through balls and be more creative in that way than Ronaldo. But he needs to work on keeping his mind on the easy passes to feet and making sure he gets them right.
 
acnumber9 said:
That sadly says it all. Beat the full back regularly but again failed to produce any real quality. The cross that led to the goal the best of a very bad bunch and Berbatov had to rescue that to turn it into anything. He's fast running out of time to save his United career.
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Ridiculous.

he was the best player on the pitch. He beat his full back with ease which only a handful of players in football can do. Everytime he got past them there was only one player in the box and he was being marked, you can hardly blame him for that. He's the best winger we have.
 
Ekeke said:
Most of the time his passes that give the ball away are when he's slowed down and decided not to go past a player. So once he's decided that its best not to run with the ball and play a "comfortable" pass just to keep a hold of the ball. Its like he thinks they are easier passes than they are and he underhits them or is a bit inaccurate with them and the opposition telegraph his pass. He has the vision and execution to play some good through balls and be more creative in that way than Ronaldo. But he needs to work on keeping his mind on the easy passes to feet and making sure he gets them right.
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I like how you see it. You think he thinks the passes are so easy that he is careless with them?
 
Just looking the MOTM thread and there are people who haven't included Nani in the top 3, which is ridiculous. Did these people watch the same game?
 
Psmith said:
Ridiculous.

he was the best player on the pitch. He beat his full back with ease which only a handful of players in football can do. Everytime he got past them there was only one player in the box and he was being marked, you can hardly blame him for that. He's the best winger we have.
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Fabio put in a better exhibition of wing play than Nani.
 
Psmith said:
Just looking the MOTM thread and there are people who haven't included Nani in the top 3, which is ridiculous. Did these people watch the same game?
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Welcome to the Caf.
 
Boss said:
If I was bothered to make an video on nani's individual highlihts today alot of you would realise he really didn't play well, he was very frustrating throughout, he can do better.
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You mean a 10 minute video of Nani going past defenders for fun, tracking back, setting up both Fabio and O'shea beautifully with a backheel, setting up Valencia for what could have been goal of the year, setting up Berbatov for the goal and generally just maing their right back look like a lost chicken would convince us that he didn't do well?
 
Top said:
You mean a 10 minute video of Nani going past defenders for fun, tracking back, setting up Fabio and O'shea beautifully with a backheel, setting up Valencia for what could have been could of the year, setting up Berbatov for the goal and generally just maing their right back look like a lost chicken would convince us that he didn't do well?
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Well said.
 
Top said:
You mean a 10 minute video of Nani going past defenders for fun, tracking back, setting up Fabio and O'shea beautifully with a backheel, setting up Valencia for what could have been could of the year, setting up Berbatov for the goal and generally just maing their right back look like a lost chicken would convince us that he didn't do well?
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Or a 10 minuite video of alot of crosses that don't find it's target, slowing down play when there is acres to run into, alot of wrong descisions and constantly misplacing simple passes ? Which is it?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In his last couple of games I must have missed the "half great" bit. Thought tonight was his best game in a while.
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Well there's always flashes where you think he's promising. But you're right, usually this is overwhelmed by mediocrity and bad decision making.

Today was half and half I thought.

Still don't see anything to suggest he'll make it at United.
 
Boss said:
Or a 10 minuite video of alot of crosses that don't find it's target, slowing down play when there is acres to run into, alot of wrong descisions and constantly misplacing simple passes ? Which is it?
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You could do that with almost any player, nobody is fecking perfect. Ronaldo could be playing awful and then smack ridiculous goals from nowhere, just like a lot of top wingers/strikers. I'll happily take a misplaced pass in a non dangerous position in exchange for a magic moment like the ones Top listed.

Oh, and crosses that didn't find it's target? What do you expect, we had one striker in the box the entire night.
 
cina said:
No, he didn't.

Some people on this forum will never like Nani, no matter how good he gets.

Best player on the pitch today.
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Yes he did.

That is possibly true. The only person to blame for that though is Nani.

He wasn't.
 
Boss said:
Or a 10 minuite video of alot of crosses that don't find it's target, slowing down play when there is acres to run into, alot of wrong descisions and constantly misplacing simple passes ? Which is it?
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You said highlights.

I think, after 4 years, I've finally reached the point where this forum annoys me more than it entertains me.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yes he did.

That is possibly true. The only person to blame for that though is Nani.

He wasn't.
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Way to back up your statement there. Nani was easily our most effective attacker tonight, far more so than Anderon, Berb and Valencia.

He could score a hat-trick, and people would still think he played shit cause a single cross didn't find its man.
 
cina said:
You could do that with almost any player, nobody is fecking perfect. Ronaldo could be playing awful and then smack ridiculous goals from nowhere, just like a lot of top wingers/strikers. I'll happily take a misplaced pass in a non dangerous position in exchange for a magic moment like the ones Top listed.

Oh, and crosses that didn't find it's target? What do you expect, we had one striker in the box the entire night.
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You are entitled to your opinion, it was alot of simple passes which made it frustrating along with the numerous crosses which were poor. Yes he did well for the goal but I'm not going to pretend he played well overall because of this. In my opinion he has the potential to do better, much better.
 
Boss said:
You are entitled to your opinion, it was alot of simple passes which made it frustrating along with the numerous crosses which were poor. Yes he did well for the goal but I'm not going to pretend he played well overall because of this. In my opinion he has the potential to do better, much better.
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Of course he does, nobody is denying that, the lad is still only 22! The fact that the majority of people on the forum think that he was our MOTM tonight should surely say something though? There's a reason Nani gets the ball so much, notice how in so many attacks this season the first player they look to pass to is him? Because amongst all the frustration, bad crosses, misplaced passes etc, he's capable of pure magic, and he's produced the magic a hell of a lot more this season than he used to.

Honestly, people need to give the lad a break, some people saying "he'll never make it at Utd" are idiots.
 
ralphie88 said:
Well there's always flashes where you think he's promising. But you're right, usually this is overwhelmed by mediocrity and bad decision making.

Today was half and half I thought.

Still don't see anything to suggest he'll make it at United.
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Spot on. Unless Schole's football brain can be cloned.
 
cina said:
Way to back up your statement there. Nani was easily our most effective attacker tonight, far more so than Anderon, Berb and Valencia.

He could score a hat-trick, and people would still think he played shit cause a single cross didn't find its man.
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When he scores, or gets an assist then his general naivety with the ball can be excused.. otherwise his performance is generally just annoying.

In terms of what he gave to the team today, it's hard to see us winning that game without Nani's contribution.. it's rather like Owen (not doing anything in particular but just his presence gave Berbatov space). What Nani gives is fluidity, a good first touch..yes he can give the ball away but whereas Valencia for example is found wanting in tight spaces and would inevitably pass back...Nani even on an off-day isn't afraid to keep the ball under pressure and away from home he's a great asset to have.

Whether he'll turn out to be a consistent matchwinner is doubtful, but he'll be a useful and vital player throughout the season. I'd rather see Nani on the teamsheet than Park..I'd also rather have his inconsistent ass on board rather than the likes of Ashley Young etc mediocre players who like keeping it simple but not capable of magic.
 
cina said:
Of course he does, nobody is denying that, the lad is still only 22! The fact that the majority of people on the forum think that he was our MOTM tonight should surely say something though? There's a reason Nani gets the ball so much, notice how in so many attacks this season the first player they look to pass to is him? Because amongst all the frustration, bad crosses, misplaced passes etc, he's capable of pure magic, and he's produced the magic a hell of a lot more this season than he used to.

Honestly, people need to give the lad a break, some people saying "he'll never make it at Utd" are idiots.
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I could never suggest he wouldn't make it at united because he can. He really just needs to use his head more and stop making the most basic mistakes, especially when it comes to his passing. All of this can improve no doubt, I don't really trust motm when it comes to Nani ever since the Wolves game where many people suggested he was amazing. It seems alot of people can not be objective with him. He played an important part in the goal and I congratulate him for that but it doesn't mean he played well.
 
Considering we gave Fletcher, O'shea and Park so many chances then I don't see why people are so reluctant to be patient with Nani. Nani is much more talented than all of them
 
cina said:
Way to back up your statement there. Nani was easily our most effective attacker tonight, far more so than Anderon, Berb and Valencia.

He could score a hat-trick, and people would still think he played shit cause a single cross didn't find its man.
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Backed up my opinion in the exact manner you stated your own.

I would say Valencia would be the most effective as he scored the match winner. Also wasn't aware that you had to be an attacker to be the best player on the pitch. Schoolboy error on my part.
 
Raees said:
When he scores, or gets an assist then his general naivety with the ball can be excused.. otherwise his performance is generally just annoying.

In terms of what he gave to the team today, it's hard to see us winning that game without Nani's contribution.. it's rather like Owen (not doing anything in particular but just his presence gave Berbatov space). What Nani gives is fluidity, a good first touch..yes he can give the ball away but whereas Valencia for example is found wanting in tight spaces and would inevitably pass back...Nani even on an off-day isn't afraid to keep the ball under pressure and away from home he's a great asset to have.

Whether he'll turn out to be a consistent matchwinner is doubtful, but he'll be a useful and vital player throughout the season.
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Obviously I was using an extreme example, but I'd agree with most of that. Right now, even though he's not playing at his peak (and he may never) he's still necessary to the squad. At the end of the day, he's our best left winger, and arguably the best winger we have, unless Valencia continues to get better.
 
Psmith said:
Considering we gave Fletcher, O'shea and Park so many chances then I don't see why people are so reluctant to be patient with Nani. Nani is much more talented than all of them
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For every Fletcher there is a Keiran Richardson.
 
Boss said:
I could never suggest he wouldn't make it at united because he can. He really just needs to use his head more and stop making the most basic mistakes, especially when it comes to his passing. All of this can improve no doubt, I don't really trust motm when it comes to Nani ever since the Wolves game where many people suggested he was amazing. It seems alot of people can not be objective with him. He played an important part in the goal and I congratulate him for that but it doesn't mean he played well.
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Oh I know you never said it, but certain people have. Like Psmith pointed out though, if Fletcher, Park etc can make it, why the hell can't he? He's got all the talent in the world. But yeah, he does need to start using his head more, it's his most obvious flaw, and he seems to be a confidence type player. But I genuinely think he contributed a lot tonight, and did make good decisions (amidst a few bad ones of course!)
 
cina said:
Obviously I was using an extreme example, but I'd agree with most of that. Right now, even though he's not playing at his peak (and he may never) he's still necessary to the squad. At the end of the day, he's our best left winger, and arguably the best winger we have, unless Valencia continues to get better.
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Agreed..though I am glad we have Giggs still strutting his stuff.
 
acnumber9 said:
Backed up my opinion in the exact manner you stated your own.
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You didn't back it up, not a single time. Myself and others have backed up our opinions, all you've done is slate him.

acnumber9 said:
I would say Valencia would be the most effective as he scored the match winner.
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Which was set up from a cross into the box by... who? Retarded logic there, 'most effective' means over the course of 90 minutes, and Nani was the outlet for the majority of our attacks over the 90 minutes.

acnumber9 said:
Also wasn't aware that you had to be an attacker to be the best player on the pitch. Schoolboy error on my part.
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Erm ... when did I say this? Looks like another Domzi situation here with you. I'm sure you'll still think he's shit by the end of the season, no matter what he does.
 
Top said:
I think, after 4 years, I've finally reached the point where this forum annoys me more than it entertains me.
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So true... I try to put it down to idiocy and ignore it...
 
The only thing Nani is short of is how to make right descisions, but it will come with experience and age. When he get's more confidience he will be less ego and start to do simple things instead of trying to do everyting by himself.
 
Bit of both tonight. I think Nani was comfortably the best player on the pitch tonight, but I did notice that he miscrossed on more than one occasion. But he ws running with the ball, tackling at times. He worked well with Fabio, who made a couple of mistakes that could have been costly, in the first half and moved around more in the second. Overall I was impressed with him today.
 
Jesus Christ. There's me thinking I'm one of Nani's harshest critics. Some of you cnuts are so biased against him it's untrue. If he plays as well as he did tonight in every game for the rest of the season he'll be an exceptional player for us.

He's a winger ffs, he's bound to frustrate at times, just like every other winger at the club before him. In tonight's game the good outweighed the bad by a considerable margin. I just don't understand how people can't see this. It's the most annoying thing on redcafe by far, people who are so set in their opinions about certain players they can't even call a performance on it's own merits.
 
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