Welbeck: He's ready!

I think Fergie will learn from the sale of Rossi to maybe not be so quick to offload strikers with potential.

I think Welbeck is brilliant, some of the skill he displays to get past players is sublime and I think if you have that level of skill you'll always stand a chance of making it. He's got pace and has shown he can finish well too, scorimng a few blinders on the way. Let's not forget that this was a Champions League game ffs, for a player who usually plays in the reserves it's a huge step up. He played well when the scores were level and there was space but when they packed everyone behind the ball and got tighter he struggled. The experience will only help him...
 
WeasteDevil said:
With the class of 92, only Giggs actually played before he was 21. What's your point?
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My point is that you're saying "top players at that age can play at that level". Clearly the players I mentioned became top players, but wouldn't have been considered so at Wellbeck's age so writing these lads off at 18 seems premature to me. They have potential, and they may become quality players, but the fact they aren't ready to play week-in-week out like Rooney or Ronaldo (who are exceptions to the rule, IMO) isn't an indicator they won't be good enough down the line.
 
Ekeke said:
If every youngster we produce have to be as good as Ronaldo and Rooney were at 18 years of age, we'll never produce another top class player. And neither will most other clubs. Because they are rare indeed.
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And how many young players have broken through to the first team after the class of 92? How many have been hyped up to be the next best thing only to be sold off two years later? How many young strikers have we ever produced in the last 20 years?

For the first part, I'll help you.

Brown
Fletcher
Evans
 
Wellbeck was never as good a prospect as Campbell. Tonight he proved that yet again and I agree about the Butt = Flecther comparison. But apparatly on the Caf he is up alongside Gerrard and Essien!!!!
 
All 3 United said:
Wellbeck was never as good a prospect as Campbell. Tonight he proved that yet again and I agree about the Butt = Flecther comparison. But apparatly on the Caf he is up alongside Gerrard and Essien!!!!
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Another joins the bandwagon. :rolleyes:

Welbeck has far more potential than Campbell who pace aside didn't have the technical capabilities to make it at United. The fact that Danny has had more of an impact aged 18 than Campbell did at 22 says more as well.
 
Addis said:
You obviously didn't see Macheda apart from vs Villa and today. He was awful in his chances this season, touch like a rhino and far worse than Welbeck. Players have good and bad games, there's this thing called form which even our most experienced players go through. Asking a teenager for consistency when players a lot older can't do it is plain stupid.
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When did i even mention consistency let alone demanding it from a youngster?? all i do ask to see is a bit of promise and natural ability when their given the chance to impress and whilst Macheda has impressed me quite a few times now Welbeck just looks lost on the big stage....what ive actually said is ive never been impressed by Welbeck when thrust in with the big guns against the better opposition...he looked way off the pace against Sunderland earlier in the season when given the chance at Old trafford and he looked out of his depth against a pretty average Besiktas side tonight when played in his more natural position....Macheda at least looks like a threat in the final third which is more than can be said for Welbeck who seems intent on running down blind alleys whilst posessing a truly abysmal first touch.

Agree with Weaste that Welbeck will never make the grade at this club...disagree with him on Macheda though think hes actually got promise.
 
WeasteDevil said:
With the class of 92, only Giggs actually played before he was 21. What's your point?
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Played regularly that is. Members of the 1992 FAYC winners:

Beckham - debuted at age 17 on 23 Sep 1992 v Brighton and Hove Albion (LC)
Butt - age 17 on 21 Nov 1992 vs Oldham Athletic (PL)
Giggs - was already an established first team player
Gillespie - age 17 on 5 Jan 1993 vs Bury (FAC)
Neville - age 17 on 16 Sep 1992 vs Torpedo Moscow (UC)

Scholes, who never played a match in the 1992 FAYC run, debuted at age 19 on 21 Sep 1994 vs Port Vale (LC)
 
Welbeck is naturally skillful but football-wise, he's not very intelligent. Perhaps that will simply come with time. I personally find him infuriating to watch.

However, not his fault we couldn't manage a draw against one of the worst teams in the Champions League.

Ferguson messing around again. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to play a stronger side, get the win (even without knowing the CSKA-Wolfsburg result) and then see how we stand. Ridiculous decision.
 
All 3 United said:
Wellbeck was never as good a prospect as Campbell. Tonight he proved that yet again and I agree about the Butt = Flecther comparison. But apparatly on the Caf he is up alongside Gerrard and Essien!!!!
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I think those 4 exclaimation marks just sum up how mad you are.
 
manusteve said:
Welbeck is naturally skillful but football-wise, he's not very intelligent. Perhaps that will simply come with time. I personally find him infuriating to watch.

However, not his fault we couldn't manage a draw against one of the worst teams in the Champions League.

Ferguson messing around again. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to play a stronger side, get the win (even without knowing the CSKA-Wolfsburg result) and then see how we stand. Ridiculous decision.
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Ridiculous? Had we got the penalty and maybe got a winner which we deserved you would have been saying "fecking proud that we give our youth a chance to shine". SAF took a bit of a gamble when the stakes are no where near what you would call high and it almost paid off. :rolleyes:
 
All 3 United said:
Wellbeck was never as good a prospect as Campbell. Tonight he proved that yet again and I agree about the Butt = Flecther comparison. But apparatly on the Caf he is up alongside Gerrard and Essien!!!!
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Have you made a bet with someone to say something completely retarded in every thread tonight?

So far, so good.
 
manusteve said:
Welbeck is naturally skillful but football-wise, he's not very intelligent. Perhaps that will simply come with time. I personally find him infuriating to watch.

However, not his fault we couldn't manage a draw against one of the worst teams in the Champions League.

Ferguson messing around again. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to play a stronger side, get the win (even without knowing the CSKA-Wolfsburg result) and then see how we stand. Ridiculous decision.
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Sigh.

People always find something to complain about I suppose.
 
WeasteDevil said:
And how many young players have broken through to the first team after the class of 92? How many have been hyped up to be the next best thing only to be sold off two years later? How many young strikers have we ever produced in the last 20 years?

For the first part, I'll help you.

Brown
Fletcher
Evans
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Who has ever been hyped up and failed?? We had Rossi a few years ago but i can't really remember all these other failing strikers (Blake, Nardiello, Healy,) ever being mentioned as the next big thing to be honest we hardly talk up any of our young players to be the NEXT BIG thing.... yes the club like to hype them up and pretend to people that they can make it but never the next big thing.

I do however agree about Fletcher and Nicky Butt... So will alot of others if people know their History.
 
Brwned said:
Sigh.

People always find something to complain about I suppose.
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It's what I feel. Not complaining, just think we should have gone for the win. I know you never know who you may draw whether you win or come 2nd in the group, but why not minimise the risk by nailing top spot ASAP?

Yes we shouldn't lose to Wolfsburg given our quality but then what the hell are we doing losing to a poor side like Besiktas???
 
manusteve said:
It's what I feel. Not complaining, just think we should have gone for the win. I know you never know who you may draw whether you win or come 2nd in the group, but why not minimise the risk by nailing top spot ASAP?

Yes we shouldn't lose to Wolfsburg given our quality but then what the hell are we doing losing to a poor side like Besiktas???
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If we played a strong team and won today, the senior players will have more time on their legs for the league matches which is absolute top priority now.

If we clinched top spot today with a stronger team, do we go to Wolfsburg and play the kids? Away in Europe?
 
manusteve said:
It's what I feel. Not complaining, just think we should have gone for the win. I know you never know who you may draw whether you win or come 2nd in the group, but why not minimise the risk by nailing top spot ASAP?

Yes we shouldn't lose to Wolfsburg given our quality but then what the hell are we doing losing to a poor side like Besiktas???
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Giving the young players a chance. It's a pretty important part of their development and given the fact Sir Alex has done so well developing young players I think he knows what he's doing.

We deserved to win anyway, we were just unlucky.
 
I thought Wellbeck was poor tonight, seen him play a lot lot better.
 
Allforone said:
When did i even mention consistency let alone demanding it from a youngster?? all i do ask to see is a bit of promise and natural ability when their given the chance to impress and whilst Macheda has impressed me quite a few times now Welbeck just looks lost on the big stage....what ive actually said is ive never been impressed by Welbeck when thrust in with the big guns against the better opposition...he looked way off the pace against Sunderland earlier in the season when given the chance at Old trafford and he looked out of his depth against a pretty average Besiktas side tonight when played in his more natural position....Macheda at least looks like a threat in the final third which is more than can be said for Welbeck who seems intent on running down blind alleys whilst posessing a truly abysmal first touch.

Agree with Weaste that Welbeck will never make the grade at this club...disagree with him on Macheda though think hes actually got promise.
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What a moronic thing to say
 
jb8521 said:
What a moronic thing to say
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He doesn't understand young players.

Then again, sadly it's not the first time it's been said. He doesn't have great consistency in his touch but he can pull off a great first touch as well as any of the youth players.

Obertan's got a great first touch.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Welbeck was very very good in the first half hour or so.

Not so good after that but this was his first game back from injury. Don't expect many to take that into account.
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If the kid is that good, why the hell doesn't SAF play him on a regular basis? I'd like to know. He's going to go out in January or the Summer and he's going to buy another top class centre forward, I don't think that there is any doubt about that.
 
Allforone said:
The one whos touch let him down on multiple occasions this evening...thats the one....
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As opposed to the great Macheda who's first touch is almost always to receive the ball into feet, let it bounce 3 feet away chase it down and pass it back to maintain possession.

I'm not trying to cover Welbeck with glory here, he didn't do his talent justice today but have you seen Welbeck play more than 2 games? I mean at all? I've watched him since his days in the academy when he was a tangley little kid to playing CL football and anyone else who has can attest to the pure skill this kid has.

Have you ever actually played football? I mean actually played it instead of of a kickabout with some mates?
 
Brwned said:
He doesn't understand young players.

Then again, sadly it's not the first time it's been said. He doesn't have great consistency in his touch but he can pull off a great first touch as well as any of the youth players.

Obertan's got a great first touch.
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Please elaborate as to what part of expecting a young player to be able to trap a ball played into feet is unreasonable? there seems to be this excuse of "hes young so it doesn’t matter etc" well if he expects to make the grade at this club basic technique and touch matters greatly....the ball bounces off welbeck far to easily.
 
WeasteDevil said:
If the kid is that good, why the hell doesn't SAF play him on a regular basis? I'd like to know. He's going to go out in January or the Summer and he's going to buy another top class centre forward, I don't think that there is any doubt about that.
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Didnt you think we'd do that this summer gone?
 
Obertan put in at least one excellent cross today. If Macheda's run was a bit more intelligent he would have bagged an assist or two.

I always find it funny the way people are so desperate to pigeon-hole players. It looks as though Obertan will be crammed in the same box that Valencia was squeezed into earlier this season.
 
WeasteDevil said:
If the kid is that good, why the hell doesn't SAF play him on a regular basis? I'd like to know. He's going to go out in January or the Summer and he's going to buy another top class centre forward, I don't think that there is any doubt about that.
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I do, I dont see the point in spending the money on a big name striker when we have Rooney & Berbatov who both demand starts week in week out

I think having Owen, Welbeck and Macheda as backups is an ideal situation at present
 
Allforone said:
Watch how many times the ball bounces off Welbeck when played into his feet and then maybe youll understand...
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Having watched him play since he was 15 I think its fair to say Ive seen a lot more of him than you and first touch is definitely not a problem for him. You seem to be basing what you're saying on tonights match alone which as Ive said is moronic and you obviously dont know very much about the game
 
Ekeke said:
Didnt you think we'd do that this summer gone?
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Well, yes, but then again, maybe he was expecting Rooney and Berbatov to step up to the plate, even though it was quite obvious that something was wrong when you go two seasons with a winger as your top scorer. Neither Rooney or Berbatov are prolific, Owen is neither here or there, and Wellbeck and Macheda are not going to fill that position. We've scored less goals than Liverpool in the league this season.
 
jb8521 said:
Having watched him play since he was 15 I think its fair to say Ive seen a lot more of him than you and first touch is definitely not a problem for him. You seem to be basing what you're saying on tonights match alone which as Ive said is moronic and you obviously dont know very much about the game
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Maybe you should leave out the personal insults and argue your point properly? Are you capable of that?
 
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