Anderson

[Mainoldo]

Agreed.

To the Anderson fanboys, can you ever see him putting in a performance as good as this? So much for owning Fabregas... Carrick completely destroyed the entire Arsenal team.

25 seconds into the second video.

Shock this complition is at Spurs.....

 

[Allforone]

Which part do you disagree with my friend? Carrick is still Fergusons go to midfielder regardless of his poor form this season.



The same Anderson that may get a run in the time that finds himself behind benched for the past it Scholes? The same Anderson that finds himself behind the pasty Scot in the pecking order?

Anderson and Carrick should have been given the chance to develop a partnership all season, but the constant rotation has stopped them doing just that.

Our midfield is weak with Fletcher, and will always be weak with him in it, so he is a no go. I'm surprised you haven't realised playing Fletcher is part of the problem, AFO.

With respect i dont think we should debate the Fletcher issue on this thread ILF....its a good debate and no doubt provides contrasting opinions but not for tonight.

 

[Gambit]

Which part do you disagree with my friend? Carrick is still Fergusons go to midfielder regardless of his poor form this season.



The same Anderson that may get a run in the time that finds himself behind benched for the past it Scholes? The same Anderson that finds himself behind the pasty Scot in the pecking order?

Anderson and Carrick should have been given the chance to develop a partnership all season, but the constant rotation has stopped them doing just that.

Our midfield is weak with Fletcher, and will always be weak with him in it, so he is a no go. I'm surprised you haven't realised playing Fletcher is part of the problem, AFO.

That mind set will soon change if he keeps performing the way he has been doing.
As for the last bit. C'MON!!!!

 

[Allforone]

Out with the old in with the new.....

 

[Gambit]

Shock this complition is at Spurs.....

The same place Veron had his best times. Against Italian opposition too. Time we found a new way.

 

[johnmufc]

Yes, those clips may be old, but the fact remains, Anderson never has and probably never will put in a performance of that magnitude. Carrick's performance against Inter at the San Siro is a more recent example if you like. Anderson's most recent masterclass was against the mighty Barnsley.

Carrick has scored 3 goals so far this season - more than Anderson will score in his entire Manchester United career. You can go ahead and quote and save this post.

 

[Fletcher's Jilted Lover]

That mind set will soon change if he keeps performing the way he has been doing.
As for the last bit. C'MON!!!!

No, it won't change. You will see Carrick continually being picked in big games, and I just hope he doesn't become part of Fergusons rotation policy again like he was earlier in the season.

 

[KM]

Which part do you disagree with my friend? Carrick is still Fergusons go to midfielder regardless of his poor form this season.



The same Anderson that may get a run in the time that finds himself behind benched for the past it Scholes? The same Anderson that finds himself behind the pasty Scot in the pecking order?

Anderson and Carrick should have been given the chance to develop a partnership all season, but the constant rotation has stopped them doing just that.

Our midfield is weak with Fletcher, and will always be weak with him in it, so he is a no go. I'm surprised you haven't realised playing Fletcher is part of the problem, AFO.

And so he goes again....

 

[Allforone]

Yes, those clips may be old, but the fact remains, Anderson never has and probably never will put in a performance of that magnitude. Carrick's performance against Inter at the San Siro is a more recent example if you like. Anderson's most recent masterclass was against the mighty Barnsley.

Carrick has scored 3 goals so far this season - more than Anderson will score in his entire Manchester United career. You can go ahead and quote and save this post.

And thats just a stupid thing to say seeing as its based upon nothing but presumption and remarked on a player whos not yet out of his 21st year....so much wrong with that.

Carricks peaked and is now in decline...its time for averageness to be replaced by potential greatness....

 

[Godfather]

Yes, those clips may be old, but the fact remains, Anderson never has and probably never will put in a performance of that magnitude. Carrick's performance against Inter at the San Siro is a more recent example if you like. Anderson's most recent masterclass was against the mighty Barnsley.

Carrick has scored 3 goals so far this season - more than Anderson will score in his entire Manchester United career. You can go ahead and quote and save this post.

It's ok to live in the past, it really is

 

[johnmufc]

No, it won't change. You will see Carrick continually being picked in big games, and I just hope he doesn't become part of Fergusons rotation policy again like he was earlier in the season.

Precisely. Carrick is a guaranteed starter in our most important matches.
I'll continue to trust Ferguson's judgment rather than the RedCafe experts.

 

[Godfather]

Precisely. Carrick is a guaranteed starter in our most important matches.
I'll continue to trust Ferguson's judgment rather than the RedCafe experts.

I agree, just wanted to wind you up a bit
Hopefully he willl come back to full form soon because he wasnt really convincing today

 

[jrsenior]

Still Carrick has been dropped game after game this season.

 

[Allforone]

We dont really have a first choice midfield its been rotated to death for the past 18 months now....Fletcher is probably the only one guranteed a place from his form this season....Anderson needs a run and Carrick needs the boot.

 

[johnmufc]

I agree, just wanted to wind you up a bit
Hopefully he willl come back to full form soon because he wasnt really convincing today

Haha, I've been doing a fair bit of winding up in this thread as well.
I like Anderson, I really do, but he's not ready to be first choice on a consistent basis.

In a midfield 3, I think he is, however, as he does possess the flair and directness about his play that all our other midfielders lack, apart from maybe Giggs.

Still Carrick has been dropped game after game this season.

Only Evra, Rooney, and Valencia have more starts.

 

[Gambit]

Yes, those clips may be old, but the fact remains, Anderson never has and probably never will put in a performance of that magnitude. Carrick's performance against Inter at the San Siro is a more recent example if you like. Anderson's most recent masterclass was against the mighty Barnsley.

Carrick has scored 3 goals so far this season - more than Anderson will score in his entire Manchester United career. You can go ahead and quote and save this post.

Wow, little faith in the manager there. I love Carrick and I love his perfomances for us, but he has been the one player missing Ronaldo more than anyother. Unlees he adapts to his current squad, which he has shown a lack of being able too, we need to move on. The only player in the squad that has this capability is Anderson.

 

[Snow]

I think it's just that some people aren't patient enough with centre mids.

Lucas isn't good enough, Fletcher isn't good enough, Anderson's vastly overrated...people don't seem to catch on that midfielders usually aren't even ready to be playing as many games for such a big club in midfield at this age, and only very, very few can.

Fabregas has spoiled the Brits he has.

 

[Gambit]

Right I'm signing off for the night. Have fun.

 

[tintedsepia]

The other game that Anderson dominated was vs Wigan in 07-08. Scholes got injured and Anderson came on and dominated - as he did a number of games while Scholes was injured until Scholes came back in February 08. Anderson was magnificent in the Wigan game as in other games - even Harry Redknapp remarked that Anderson "looks world-class to me!"

Clearly the level of is development has not been the same for him or nani. I wonder if this is mainly to do with queiroz leaving as it seems to coincide with queiroz departure and phelan isn't up to that same level of technical or tactical knowledge.

However, I would still expect Anderson to be able to make that central midfield slot his own. He is an enigma at the moment - but has everything in his locker (or at lease he has demonstrated EVERYTHING in his locker at various points of his professional career (dribbling ability, incisive passing, tackling, vision, shooting, pace).

Okay - his shooting hasn't always been the greatest at Manchester United - but it will develop with confidence and a run of games - and partnering him with players on the same wavelength as him!

 

[Raees]

Agreed.

To the Anderson fanboys, can you ever see him putting in a performance as good as this? So much for owning Fabregas... Carrick completely destroyed the entire Arsenal team.

25 seconds into the second video.

If anything those vids suggest he is a defensive midfielder with the occasional attacking pass, which is what I've seen him as all along.

Anderson cannot be compared to Carrick as we need Ando to be our Scholesy, a playmaker.. we need him to be a level above Carrick and be a creative input in the team.

 

[johnmufc]

If anything those vids suggest he is a defensive midfielder with the occasional attacking pass, which is what I've seen him as all along.

Anderson cannot be compared to Carrick as we need Ando to be our Scholesy, a playmaker.. we need him to be a level above Carrick and be a creative input in the team.

Sorry mate, I can't see Anderson becoming anything like Scholes. He has shown flashes of that instinct for a killer pass, but Anderson's complete lack of a goal threat will really hinder his usefulness as an attacking midfielder. Watching videos of him at Porto and Gremio he looks fecking superb, and I wonder why he hasn't replicated such displays at United.
I think we've transformed Anderson into a different sort of player. He reminds me of Clarence Seedorf a bit. Not a bad thing, but not the successor to Scholes.

 

[Raees]

Agreed.

To the Anderson fanboys, can you ever see him putting in a performance as good as this? So much for owning Fabregas... Carrick completely destroyed the entire Arsenal team.

25 seconds into the second video.

Sorry mate, I can't see Anderson becoming anything like Scholes. He has shown flashes of that instinct for a killer pass, but Anderson's complete lack of a goal threat will really hinder his usefulness as an attacking midfielder. Watching videos of him at Porto and Gremio he looks fecking superb, and I wonder why he hasn't replicated such displays at United.
I think we've transformed Anderson into a different sort of player. He reminds me of Clarence Seedorf a bit. Not a bad thing, but not the successor to Scholes.

True, he might not turn out exactly like Scholes, if you see one of my earliar posts I kinda compared him to Iniesta.. which I believe is the player he should aspire to be.

Seedorf could shoot too, I reckon Anderson's game should be built around his dribbling, ability to retain posession and create chances.

 

[MadDogg]

What the hell is with all the 'Carrick is in decline' rubbish?

He started the season in piss poor form, no doubting that. But then that slowly started improving, until he was back at his usual quiet domination of the midfield. Unfortunately our defensive crisis then meant both he and Fletch got drafted into the backline, and neither have really got going again in the midfield since (although our best performance was the one game they partnered each other).

Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson should be considered our main midfield. Any two man combination of them is generally comfortably in control of the match, and we then use all three in the big games. It's only when we put Scholes or Gibson in there that we start getting rather inconsistent. As said as it is to say, it's time for Scholes to become just an impact player most of the time, and for the main three to take over fulltime.

 

[Anderson Searl]

Once again, how anyone can't see the potential this boy has at 21 baffles me. But then again Orange skins baffle me, so meh.

You'd swear he was 31 the way some go about his "poor" play

I think it's just that some people aren't patient enough with centre mids.

Lucas isn't good enough, Fletcher isn't good enough, Anderson's vastly overrated...people don't seem to catch on that midfielders usually aren't even ready to be playing as many games for such a big club in midfield at this age, and only very, very few can.

Well said mate

He was great today, hope he starts v City and Milan, we badly need pace all over the pitch.

I agree with the Milan statement, he can run that midfield, that is a battle we're going to need to win if we have a chance in that tie, simply because I expect a bit of a masterclass from their attack, we need to shut it down there and control tempo... Anderson could prove very vital against the slower legs in Milans midfield.

Anderson is more frustrating to watch than Nani, especially when he tries his ballooned passes.

*Yawn*

He never runs into the box to try and score.

When Evra or whoever at RB has the ball, he points to where they should pass it, instead of collecting it.

His long range passing is awful.

*Yawn*

I can see him as an Essien type of player...

*Ya... Wait a second... Who is posting under the name Scholesy? Did I just see him giving praise?

He was embarrassing against Leeds and I can't remember him ever stringing more than 1 decent performance together.

He was out best player against Leeds ... And for the record, he's showing consistancy this season, but it's not consistant "GOOD" performances, he's not put in many bad ones though in comparison to last season... Remember, the best of Anderson came out last year about Marchish and he was pivitol in our run in to another European Cup final and league title, I think we're going to see that soon, and I think if he gets the summer off, he'll be fresh to go for a full season next year.

Anderson will always be a squad player.

Ah, there's Scholesy, you useless twat

What the hell is with all the 'Carrick is in decline' rubbish?

My thoughts as well

 

[dev1l]

*Ya... Wait a second... Who is posting under the name Scholesy?

Modric

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Not in the 2-2 draw though, which is where I believe it all started. Fabregas outshone him in everyway.

No. Fabregas was controlled very well by both Anderson and Hargreaves. Fabregas only took over that game game for Arsenal when Carrick came on.

 

[Alex]

Agreed Chief! Are you Americano?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Only late in the match, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't say Anderson dominated him, but he at least held his own (if not was slightly on top) for the first 55 minutes or so. Around that point Anderson started to fall away (as he always did back then), and Fabregas really did start dominating the match for the final half an hour or so.

Anderson was replaced. That is when Fabregas took over the midfield. Before that, the Arsenal boys were well contained.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He had a good game when we beat Arsenal 4-0 in the FA Cup, but Fletcher and Carrick were even better - Fletcher scoring the 2 goals and Carrick assisting one of Fletcher's and Nani's goal..

No way. Anderson was the man of the match that day. It wasn't merely a ''good game'.' The others you mentioned scoring and Carrick getting an assist never changed that. Anderson was the best player on the pitch that night. His best performance in a United shirt to date.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Agreed Chief! Are you Americano?

No

 

[Gambit]

Against lower opposition, Carrick looks like he can't be arsed this season. Surely we need Anderson to get his run of games so we can try something different than, lets revert to a 3 man midfield and play Rooney as the lone striker.

 

[Scholesgoals]

Agreed.

To the Anderson fanboys, can you ever see him putting in a performance as good as this? So much for owning Fabregas... Carrick completely destroyed the entire Arsenal team.

25 seconds into the second video.

Why is he so fecking wimpy for us!

thats perfect midfield play right there!

 

[Red4Ever]

Big fan of Anderson and Carrick

kill me

 

[Scholesy]

Can the ones who say he is a great passer...Please STOP.

 

[Carl]

Can the ones who say he is a great passer...Please STOP.

He's an ambitious passer. I'll give him that.

 

[Boss]

He's got a lot of fine attributes to his game, speed, pace, can hold the ball up but passing is definitely not one of them.

 

[askabob]

He's trying for those magical balls all the time and it's not working which is extremely frustrating. It doesn't need to be a killer defense splitting ball every time, and he needs to understand that.

 

[Scholesy]

He's got a lot of fine attributes to his game, speed, pace, can hold the ball up but passing is definitely not one of them.

Exactly.

He has a feel of Zokora about him, physically great, but technically...

And he is still more frustrating to watch than Nani.

 

[Doevle]

He's an ambitious passer. I'll give him that.

True

 

[Kinky Melinky]

He's an ambitious passer. I'll give him that.

He plays these passes where it's almost like he's expecting the target of the pass to know exactly where he's going to put the ball, but it's clear the lines of communication are so far off the mark.

He needs to keep is simple