Manchester United Vs. Aston Villa

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Football League Cup Final 2010

1500 GMT
Sunday, 28 February
Wembley Stadium, London
Televised on Sky Sports and BBC
 
VDS

Rafael - Brown - Vidic - Evra

Valencia - Fletcher - Carrick - Park

Rooney - Berbatov​


Scholes played full 90 tonight so can't see him featuring at Wembley.

Rooney and Berbatov were taken off early tonight so I expect them to start in a 4-4-2.

Villa showed feck all ambition against us despite a man advantage, on their own ground - we got to go at them here.
 
Team should be....

GK: VDS

RB: Rafael
CB: Vidic
CB: Evans
LB: Evra

RM: Valencia
CM: Carrick
CM: Fletcher
CM: Scholes
LM: Park

CF: Rooney

Subs: Foster, Neville, Brown, Gibson, Berbatov, Owen, Diouf

It's been a long time since anyone has retained the Carling Cup, that's what I'm worried about :nervous:
 
Wasn't there some talk that Evans would miss this because he had to travel out to Tblisi for Northern Ireland?

Kuszczak
Fletcher
Brown
Vidic (c)
Rafael
Valencia
Gibson
Carrick
Park
Rooney
Berbatov

Subs:
Foster
Neville - needs a rest.
Evra - needs a rest.
Scholes - needs a rest.
Obertan
Diouf
Owen


Probably Anderson or Rio on the bench if they could make it. I'd squeze Fabio into the side if he were anywhere near fit, maybe at Gibson's expense.
 
Given the size of the Wembley pitch Scholes has to play with his range of passing
 
Berlinknives said:
Wasn't there some talk that Evans would miss this because he had to travel out to Tblisi for Northern Ireland?

Kuszczak
Fletcher
Brown
Vidic (c)
Rafael
Valencia
Gibson
Carrick
Park
Rooney
Berbatov

Subs:
Foster
Neville - needs a rest.
Evra - needs a rest.
Scholes - needs a rest.
Obertan
Diouf
Owen


Probably Anderson or Rio on the bench if they could make it. I'd squeze Fabio into the side if he were anywhere near fit, maybe at Gibson's expense.
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There's zero chance of resting Evra for the final. What an absolute kick in the cnut that would be for the lad. And in turn, no need for Fletcher to play right back.
 
Berlinknives said:
Wasn't there some talk that Evans would miss this because he had to travel out to Tblisi for Northern Ireland?

Kuszczak
Fletcher
Brown
Vidic (c)
Rafael
Valencia
Gibson
Carrick
Park
Rooney
Berbatov

Subs:
Foster
Neville - needs a rest.
Evra - needs a rest.
Scholes - needs a rest.
Obertan
Diouf
Owen


Probably Anderson or Rio on the bench if they could make it. I'd squeze Fabio into the side if he were anywhere near fit, maybe at Gibson's expense.
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Yeah if we have this line up then we can kiss the Carling Cup good bye.
 
I really want us to go for this trophy, I know it's 'only' the Carling Cup, but hey it's still a trophy. Many teams would kill to get the chance to win any kind of silverware... my team would be

Kuszczak
Rafael - Vidic - Evans - Evra
Valencia - Carrick - Fletcher - Park
Rooney - Berbatov​

We were all over Villa two weeks ago despite being a man down for large parts of the game. I'd fancy our chances in a 4-4-2 but Fergie will most likely take out Berbatov and bring in Gibson which is good enough for me really... Gibson has earned a start yesterday as well IMHO.
 
-----------VDS-------------
Rafael---Vidic--Evans---Fabio/Delaet
Carrick----Gibson----Fletcher
Valencia---Rooney---Park

SUBS : PIG, Brown, Neville, Owen, Berbatov, Scholes, Obertan.


And we now have 2 new additions (:mad:) to the injury/suspension list.

O'shea, Nani, Anderson, Rio, Giggs, Hargreaves.
 
Rowem said:
There's zero chance of resting Evra for the final. What an absolute kick in the cnut that would be for the lad. And in turn, no need for Fletcher to play right back.
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Well this is a game where he could face perhaps 120 minutes, he's got to travel to France for a game against Spain and then come back for the Wolves game at the following weekend. Neville playing three games in a row is a bit unlikely. People are treating this like the Champion's League final and something worth risking the only leftback avaliable for. I don't know if O'Shea will be coming back that fast.

RDCR07 said:
Yeah if we have this line up then we can kiss the Carling Cup good bye.
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It's a much stronger side than the one which beat Spurs, the side could beat Villa especially with the strength on the bench nd the freshness in the likes of Carrick and Fletcher. With Rio and Anderson out, the veterens Scholes, Van der Sar and Neville not likely to play and Evans perhaps having to travel, it's not far off the sort of side United will play.... Holy crapballs . :lol:
 
Hard to choose between:

van der Sar
Rafael Brown Vidic Evra
Valencia Fletcher Carrick Park
Berbatov Rooney
--
Foster; Neville, Evans; Gibson, Scholes; Owen, Diouf

Or

van der Sar
Rafael Brown Vidic Evra
Valencia Fletcher Scholes Carrick Park
Rooney
--
Foster; Neville, Evans; Gibson, Obertan; Owen, Berbatov​

Gibson may well start if it's a 451, as Scholes played a full game against West Ham. I think Carrick, Fletcher, Park and van der Sar come back in no matter what - while Rafael deserves to as well.

Should win this.
 
Here is the team that beat Spurs on penalties in the CC final, 1 year ago:

Foster, O'Shea (Vidic 76), Evans, Ferdinand, Evra, Ronaldo, Scholes, Gibson (Giggs 91), Nani, Tevez, Welbeck (Anderson 56)

Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Park, Possebon, Eckersley.
 
I'd rather Rooney and Evra were rested to be honest. It would be nice to win it but it's only the Carling Cup.

I'd like to see something like:

Code: 
[CENTER]Kuszczak
Rafael Brown Evans Fabio
Valencia Gibson Carrick Park
Diouf Berbatov[/CENTER]

Hopefully with the likes of Obertan, DeLaet and Owen getting some minutes too.

Having said that i have a feeling it will be much more like:

Code: 
[CENTER]VDS
Rafael Brown Vidic Evra
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Park
Berbatov Rooney[/CENTER]
 
Berlinknives said:
Well this is a game where he could face perhaps 120 minutes, he's got to travel to France for a game against Spain and then come back for the Wolves game at the following weekend. Neville playing three games in a row is a bit unlikely. People are treating this like the Champion's League final and something worth risking the only leftback avaliable for. I don't know if O'Shea will be coming back that fast.
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It's a cup final.

Evra (and Rooney) are passionate as feck and have been asked to play the vast majority of games this season. They deserve to start a final, which they have contributed to us getting to. And we need them to start.

Dropping them for the final would be a terrible piece of man-management.

Rest them against Wolves if needs be.
 
Rowem said:
It's a cup final.

Evra (and Rooney) are passionate as feck and have been asked to play the vast majority of games this season. They deserve to start a final, which they have contributed to us getting to. And we need them to start.

Dropping them for the final would be a terrible piece of man-management.

Rest them against Wolves if needs be.
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Maybe 10cc's of passion would fix Rio's problems too. :rolleyes:

And if you look at their "contributions" ... apart from the semifinals, they haven't been involved with the majority of games in the competition.
 
Apart from the two biggest ties of the competition, yeah.

The fact we've loaned out Welbeck, that we played our strongest side against City, including dropping players like Gibson, Welbeck and Owen who had scored in previous rounds, shows we're not going to play a weak side. O'Shea is injured, Fabio is always injured, and De Laet doesn't merit a start. It'll be Evra.

Dropping him would be a complete and utter kick in the cnut.

"Yeah, we need you to play every game without a rest for us Patrice. Oh, except the Cup final, we don't need you for that one" :rolleyes:
 
The second string had their chance in the FA Cup and they blew it by losing against League One opposition, the first team players will be rested because they don't have any FA Cup games to play. We don't have a game for a week after this, play the first team.
 
Rowem said:
Apart from the two biggest ties of the competition, yeah.

The fact we've loaned out Welbeck, that we played our strongest side against City, including dropping players like Gibson, Welbeck and Owen who had scored in previous rounds, shows we're not going to play a weak side. O'Shea is injured, Fabio is always injured, and De Laet doesn't merit a start. It'll be Evra.

Dropping him would be a complete and utter kick in the cnut.

"Yeah, we need you to play every game without a rest for us Patrice. Oh, except the Cup final, we don't need you for that one" :rolleyes:
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I'm sorry but Evra didn't appear to throw a hissy fit the last final he missed, when Fabio who didn't really have a game played and Evra missed out. Both Evra and Rooney are proffesionals, neither started in the last League Cup final, if they're rested they're rested, "kick in the cnut" or not. I just feel it's better to have Evra come off the bench, rather than have him subbed.
 
kietotheworld said:
The second string had their chance in the FA Cup and they blew it by losing against League One opposition, the first team players will be rested because they don't have any FA Cup games to play. We don't have a game for a week after this, play the first team.
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It won't be a completely second string side and many of these player's rests will involve going to the likes of Tblisi, Warsaw and Abidjan in manditory international games. I'd be surprising if Martin O'Neill didn't factor that into his team selection too.
 
The big question for many around here seems to be should we play a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1?

I would like to quote Martin O'Neill, because I completely agree with him. It shows how and what the managers at his level think about formations, tactics and winning matches

Martin O'Neill
People can get carried away with formations. In this day and age, everyone seems to have a view, more so than ever before, with phone-ins and the internet.The truth is eventually winning football matches boils down to players. Of course you go out with a strategy and a plan and you set off with a formation.

But the teams who are able to be flexible and change their tactics will be successful.Every result in football is not based on your formation. If a team wins one week with a formation and loses the next with a different one, it doesn't automatically follow that the formation change was the reason. It might be to do with the opposition being better on the day.

In my opinion, if you have talent and discipline in your team, you will go a long way.
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My opinion is, that the team should be picked based on the players' current form, ability and skills.
Yes, the player's abilities makes him more suitable for playing in certain areas of the pitch, which generally defines the team and tactics for the game.

Example- how to chose between Nani or Valencia on the right wing

You want to stretch their defense- you play fast, "traditional" wingers like Valencia, who has a good link up play and can cross the ball for the forwards. Perfect for the so called 4-4-2
You want a "direct" player? Play Nani, who can beat his man and partner the lone forward. Perfect for a 4-5-1

We know SAF has a very strong opinion about things. And I hope he doesn't change. I just hope he identifies the players who are on top of their game now. Tactics are relative
 
Ritchie has scored a goal for the reserves today. I really think Evra needs a break -if not then the Wolves game at least.

Boss said Rafael missed last years final after playing all the games, so something to look at - along with considering other young players.

Team for Sunday

TK
Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra (prefer Da Laet/Fabio so God takes a rest on Sunday).
Valencia, Fletcher, Gibson, Obertan
Rooney, Owen
 
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