Aaron Ramsey

peterstorey said:
Well you obviously didn't learn anything from it if you think high tackles are acceptable. If your feet are up you're going cause damage sooner or later.
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It wasn't even a tackle though.

I feel for Ramsey but I'm not sure what you're even getting at Pete. Shawcross clearly didn't go into the challenge looking to injure Ramsey, and he was clearly as distraught as anyone when he did. What exactly do you want to have done about it?

Ban Shawcross forever because he was unlucky and your manager is too much of a nutjob to accept it?...there's no point taking Wenger's view seriously. He seemed to be using the incident to support his own agenda/paranoia about the whole thing being part of some giant evil conspiracy against Arsenal. It's a bit embarassing to be honest, not to mention out of order. Everyone can see and respect the gravity of the incident, except for Wenger.

It wasn't even a red card offence, really, and the only way you're going to eliminate the risk of it happening again is by banning people from kicking the ball when doing so means moving their foot off the floor. Good luck with that.

Also, we'd need to ban really hard shots aswell, since one of them broke Alan Smith's leg a few years back.
 
think you should stop talking such sense to some of these gooners on here. they don't get it.

Wenger is a completely classless man.

To take anything he says seriously on such issues is pretty laughable.

Arsenal are trying real hard to steal the Victims label from the scousers.
 
So what do you people think Shawcross should receive for his challenge? A yellow card instead like Scholes usually does for his late time challenge?
 
RedRonaldo said:
So what do you people think Shawcross should receive for his challenge? A yellow card instead like Scholes usually does for his late time challenge?
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He got a straight red. He's going to get a fitting punishment. Unlikely that Walton will revoke it.

I didn't think it was a red in the first place. Hope he only gets one game.
 
Finally saw it. Not a red card. Ref played off the result not the actual play.

Campbell and Fabregas' post result reactions were ridiculous and OTT. As if they really believe Shawcross went in with malicious intent. Wankers.
 
noodlehair said:
It wasn't even a tackle though.

I feel for Ramsey but I'm not sure what you're even getting at Pete. Shawcross clearly didn't go into the challenge looking to injure Ramsey, and he was clearly as distraught as anyone when he did. What exactly do you want to have done about it?

Ban Shawcross forever because he was unlucky and your manager is too much of a nutjob to accept it?...there's no point taking Wenger's view seriously. He seemed to be using the incident to support his own agenda/paranoia about the whole thing being part of some giant evil conspiracy against Arsenal. It's a bit embarassing to be honest, not to mention out of order. Everyone can see and respect the gravity of the incident, except for Wenger.

It wasn't even a red card offence, really, and the only way you're going to eliminate the risk of it happening again is by banning people from kicking the ball when doing so means moving their foot off the floor. Good luck with that.

Also, we'd need to ban really hard shots aswell, since one of them broke Alan Smith's leg a few years back.
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Agree completely, mate...
 
AVARiCE said:
Sweet lord, you'd have thought the lad was dead.

I truly hope he gets better, and unlike some other sentiments in this thread, I hope he comes back and achieves his full potential because he's gonna be a special player. I still rue the fact that we didn't sign him. Well, he didn't join, but you get the point.

Regardless of all that though, this thread is a bit of a joke. Count Duckula is (in my eyes) correct when he says that people are overreacting - he's broken his leg. Ok, it's horrific in any sense, and it's even more poignant on the basis that he's a football player but I'm willing to bet that Arsenal's medical team is y'know... decent. It's not like he's at a cash-strapped club where they'll cheap out on his medical costs.

Beyond that, even, it's not life-threatening and he's at an age where it should heal well. I don't know if it's actually true but am I right in saying that broken bones at these ages actually heal back stronger?

Disappointed in Wenger though. It was clearly an accident, and I can understand him being upset but you have to earn the right to do some things. For example, if he wants to claim that this tackle was disgusting, then he needs to do the same about Gallas'. It's sickening but the phrase is true: What goes around comes around.

I really rate Ramsey, and he seems like a really nice guy as well (I'm a year younger than him) but it's sad that it seems as though he's the latest one paying for Arsenal's bad karma. Wenger was fine with his players smacking Ruud about. Seriously, I'm sad that this has had to happen and none of my frustrations are directed at Aaron, but Wenger deserves this. It's a crying shame it happened to one of the nice guys, and not one of the (many) classless twats at the Arse.

All that said (rant over) I hope Ramsey makes a full recovery and that his leg fixes up stronger than it was before. Maybe a bit more calcium wouldn't go amiss (it did seem to break kinda easily - or is it just me?) but he really didn't deserve this, a cosmic accident I suppose.
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You echo my sentiments!
 
Brophs said:
Yet again, the result is punished, not the tackle. It was a yellow, regardless of his injury. Emotion clouds what outcry over incidents like this can do to the sport as a whole.

If we take tackles like that out of the game then it's a fecking shambles. He went in hard and fair, and Ramsay was too quick for him. When you nick the ball like that, you get kicked. In this instance, the outcome was particularly severe. You'll see that same tackle a dozen times tomorrow, and of the mistimed ones, probably none will injure the player as badly. This is still a contact sport, despite the fact it suits people to try sanitise it within an inch of its life.
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So true!
 
As always, mountains over molehills as always by the arse idiots who like get on high horses to play victims. Get over it, it's an innocuous tackle.
 
Brophs said:
Yet again, the result is punished, not the tackle. It was a yellow, regardless of his injury. Emotion clouds what outcry over incidents like this can do to the sport as a whole.

If we take tackles like that out of the game then it's a fecking shambles. He went in hard and fair, and Ramsay was too quick for him. When you nick the ball like that, you get kicked. In this instance, the outcome was particularly severe. You'll see that same tackle a dozen times tomorrow, and of the mistimed ones, probably none will injure the player as badly. This is still a contact sport, despite the fact it suits people to try sanitise it within an inch of its life.
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Good post man, for once.
 
Sultan said:
Seeing their joy at scoring the second it was quite obvious Ramsey was second on their list of priorities.
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That's a bit of a cnutish viewpoint.

What the feck are professionals supposed to do? Fall to the floor wailing and pulling their hair out?
 
Grinner said:
That's a bit of a cnutish viewpoint.

What the feck are professionals supposed to do? Fall to the floor wailing and pulling their hair out?
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As professionals it's their duty and their mental make up to play for a win. However, I can't personally understand how they are be able to celebrate with such joy after seeing such an horrific injury to a team mate.
 
Sultan said:
As professionals it's their duty and their mental make up to play for a win. However, I can't personally understand how they are be able to celebrate with such joy after seeing such an horrific injury to a team mate.
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Completely agreed. Felt the same way about their happiness at full time, too.
 
Meh, I don't have a problem with them doing that. It was the 90th minute and would have been a relief after what had happened.

To be fair to the players, nobody made a bigger deal of it than they needed to. Campbell lost his cool but he was in the thick of it and had just seen his teamate had a broken leg, so you can understand his reaction. Probably why the ref had no choice but to send Shawcross off. You can imagine what might have happened if he'd stayed on the pitch.
 
Sultan said:
As professionals it's their duty and their mental make up to play for a win. However, I can't personally understand how they are be able to celebrate with such joy after seeing such an horrific injury to a team mate.
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Success-starved youth, I think. Tells you a lot about how little the players must fear Wenger in terms of discipline. I know every sporting coach I ever had would have locked the team in the bus for at least an hour if we ever conducted ourselves that way. Which kept us from doing so.
 
Grinner said:
That's a bit of a cnutish viewpoint.

What the feck are professionals supposed to do? Fall to the floor wailing and pulling their hair out?
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That's the point I reckon. That's what they did last time, this time they forced themselves to turn their concentration back to the game and the celebration showed a sense of vindication when they pulled it off. Completely reasonable.
 
Plechazunga said:
That's the point I reckon. That's what they did last time, this time they forced themselves to turn their concentration back to the game and the celebration showed a sense of vindication when they pulled it off. Completely reasonable.
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Vindication about what?
 
noodlehair said:
Meh, I don't have a problem with them doing that. It was the 90th minute and would have been a relief after what had happened.

To be fair to the players, nobody made a bigger deal of it than they needed to. Campbell lost his cool but he was in the thick of it and had just seen his teamate had a broken leg, so you can understand his reaction. Probably why the ref had no choice but to send Shawcross off. You can imagine what might have happened if he'd stayed on the pitch.
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Which is fine. I made that post after hearing Wenger's and his captains comments after the match. Their ceebrations indicated they were hardly overcome with emotion of the injury and their comments after the game were not clouded by anger or sadness. I'd be pretty embarrassed had SAF made such remarks after what basically was an unfortunate incident on a football pitch.
 
Absolutely disgusted by the post match reaction by the Arsenal players and manager.....

Shawcross was in tears himself after that, and anyone could see that was no way a red card. That sort of tackle occurs on the football pitch 10/20 times a game, and its only a freak incident that the consequences were as bad as they were..There was absolutely no malice.. Ref's played to the consequences rather than the actual tackle itself..oh well..

But to hold Shawcross responsible and blame him even more...pathetic on Fabregas, Wenger and co's part....
Shawcross has also issued a statement on it and I'm fully with him on this..

Hope Ramsey has a speedy recovery though, cause that was a bad bad injury and he's a fantastic lil player....really sad and unfortunate..

However to make sure Shawcross is at the receiving end of the blame is what's really ticked me off.. As if it say Shawcross wouldn't have been feeling guilty enough after that, but then to rub salt into the wounds... Not a person would complain about criticism attributed to Taylor's tackle on Eduardo, cause let's face it, that was really really bad and has no place on the football pitch..That was a bad bad and disgusting challenge...

Shawcross's tackle on the other hand was nothing like it....

Classless on Wenger's part, but then again, have we come to expect any different from him and his side over the years?


THIS IS A feckING BAD TACKLE!!
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Not what Shawcross did yesterday!

Get well soon Ramsey though, wish you a speedy recovery.....
 
Sultan said:
As professionals it's their duty and their mental make up to play for a win. However, I can't personally understand how they are be able to celebrate with such joy after seeing such an horrific injury to a team mate.
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In tough physical matches you get to hate the other team. After what happened to Ramsey, it's natural to celebrate the win and overcoming a team like Stoke who have not talent or skill and use rough play to compensate. It's a release after siege mentality they must have developed.
 
Sultan said:
Which is fine. I made that post after hearing Wenger's and his captains comments after the match. Their ceebrations indicated they were hardly overcome with emotion of the injury and their comments after the game were not clouded by anger or sadness. I'd be pretty embarrassed had SAF made such remarks after what basically was an unfortunate incident on a football pitch.
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Cast your mind back to the CC match against 'Boro last year when Possebon was taken out with what was a worse tackle. SAF acted with complete dignity and praised Southgate for apologising to him for the tackle.

Wenger always acts as though teams have an agenda to injure his players which is totally absurd
 
Plechazunga said:
That's the point I reckon. That's what they did last time, this time they forced themselves to turn their concentration back to the game and the celebration showed a sense of vindication when they pulled it off. Completely reasonable.
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You can still be mentally strong, play to win and at the same time keep your emotions in check. Remember Phil Neville after scoring the penalty against United last year? he did his job as a professional and kept his emotions in check by not celebrating the goal due to his respect for United.
 
Plechazunga said:
About having shown the fight to win it this time instead of wilting like last time.
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against 10 men it was hardly a big task.

It's hardly vindication though was it. As professionals you are obligated to do that
 
I have watched the vid a few time and read most of the stuff on here and the ones that think he went out to "do" Ramsey are daft in the head.
It was not even a clumsy tackle or mistimed or even with studs up.
The ref gave the Red because he thought he could not do any differant , just think what would of happened if he had stayed on the pitch , you had Campell and Fabrigas wanting to rip his head off.
Has tackle go I thought it was pretty tame ,I feel for Ramsey it looked like a bad one and will be out for a good while , but I feel sorry just as much for Shawcross.
It was an accident pure and simple , it was a tackle you will see a million times and not see a broken leg.
Wenger's reaction was just what it should of been, he is wrong in wanting him banned for a long time ,but what else would you expect him to do ,would you of expected Fergie to act any differant at the time?
Hopefully everybody will look at the vid and see that it was just an accident.
Cant take the red card away and he will get a 3 match ban ,hopefully he will get no more but who knows with the FA.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I have watched the vid a few time and read most of the stuff on here and the ones that think he went out to "do" Ramsey are daft in the head.
It was not even a clumsy tackle or mistimed or even with studs up.
The ref gave the Red because he thought he could not do any differant , just think what would of happened if he had stayed on the pitch , you had Campell and Fabrigas wanting to rip his head off.
Has tackle go I thought it was pretty tame ,I feel for Ramsey it looked like a bad one and will be out for a good while , but I feel sorry just as much for Shawcross.
It was an accident pure and simple , it was a tackle you will see a million times and not see a broken leg.
Wenger's reaction was just what it should of been , would you of expected Fergie to act any differant at the time?
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That's definitely not what it should of been..

a player's walked off in tears feeling and hoping the ground opens up for him and eats him ....
and then you go and further make sure you accuse the player that he intentionally fecked someone's leg up and make him feel even more guilty and worse?

That's just pathetic..
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I have watched the vid a few time and read most of the stuff on here and the ones that think he went out to "do" Ramsey are daft in the head.
It was not even a clumsy tackle or mistimed or even with studs up.
The ref gave the Red because he thought he could not do any differant , just think what would of happened if he had stayed on the pitch , you had Campell and Fabrigas wanting to rip his head off.
Has tackle go I thought it was pretty tame ,I feel for Ramsey it looked like a bad one and will be out for a good while , but I feel sorry just as much for Shawcross.
It was an accident pure and simple , it was a tackle you will see a million times and not see a broken leg.
Wenger's reaction was just what it should of been , would you of expected Fergie to act any differant at the time?
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RE SAF. Read my post re 'Boro and Possebon
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Cast your mind back to the CC match against 'Boro last year when Possebon was taken out with what was a worse tackle. SAF acted with complete dignity and praised Southgate for apologising to him for the tackle.

Wenger always acts as though teams have an agenda to injure his players which is totally absurd
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I dont think thats too far off the mark, in my view. I wouldnt go as far to say that teams go out to injure Arsenal, but they definitely get more rough treatment than anybody else in the league. I think it started with the whole "Bully Arsenal and you win" mentality.

Rought treatment = More chance of injuries.
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
In tough physical matches you get to hate the other team. After what happened to Ramsey, it's natural to celebrate the win and overcoming a team like Stoke who have not talent or skill and use rough play to compensate. It's a release after siege mentality they must have developed.
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The game was hardly physical yesterday. It seemed to have been played in good spirits, before and after the injury. The players seemed understand it was an accident.

Wenger should have had more class, rather than point fingers at Shawcross and mess up the kids brain.
 
zain said:
That's definitely not what it should of been..

a player's walked off in tears feeling and hoping the ground opens up for him and eats him ....
and then you go and further make sure you accuse the player that he intentionally fecked someone's leg up and make him feel even more guilty and worse?

That's just pathetic..
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OK I worded it wrong ,but what else would you expect he has done it before.
 
Sultan said:
The game was hardly physical yesterday. It seemed to have been played in good spirits, before and after the injury. The players seemed understand it was an accident.

Wenger should have had more class, rather than point fingers at Shawcross and mess up a kids brain.
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I don't know about Wenger I didn't see the interview :wenger: I was only referring to players
 
zain said:
Well, that I agree with, hardly unexepected from Wenger, everyone knows what a classless wanker he's been most of the time.........
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and I agree with that too.
The point I was trying to make but badly ,in the heat on the momment and with emotions running so high after a bad injury , what else could he of done.
Think of it this way.
Rooney had been injuried by a very same tackle at the time you would of wanted the played banned for a long time and Fegie would of been foamimg at the mouth.
Later when the emotions had calmed dowm and everybody had a chance to watch the tackle again,they would see that it was just an accident.
What are the chances of Wenger and Arsenal team of doing this ?
 
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