Against Milan tactic and line up 
Manchester United vs. Liverpool
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Valencia v Insua makes me
According to physioroom Aurelio could be back for the Portsmouth game tomorrow, could be ready for this game too.
I'd suspect:
-------------Reina-------------
Johnson-Agger-Carragher-Aurelio
-------Mascherano-Lucas-------
--Kuyt------Gerrard---Benayoun
------------Torres--------------
Subs: Cavalieri, Insua, Kyrgiakos, Aqualini, Babel, Maxi/Reira, N'gog
Against Milan tactic and line up
I'm going to make a controversal statement, Liverpool are actually better than that Milan side.
--------------------------Van Der Sar-----------------------
---Neville-----------Rio----------Vidic-------------Evra---
--Valencia---------Fletcher------Scholes----------Nani-----
--------------------Berbatov----Rooney---------------------
Subs: Foster, Evans, Giggs, Carrick, Obertan, Park, Diouf
Prediction: 2-0. Rooney, Scholes
---Neville-----------Rio----------Vidic-------------Evra---
--Valencia---------Fletcher------Scholes----------Nani-----
--------------------Berbatov----Rooney---------------------
Subs: Foster, Evans, Giggs, Carrick, Obertan, Park, Diouf
Prediction: 2-0. Rooney, Scholes
I'm going over for this match, and all I can say is we better fecking beat them. I'm sick of those cnuts and their flukey wins (okay yes, we were shite in those matches, but still when 2/3 of their goals come from our own errors and hoof football, it kinda makes you sick).
I'd be tempted to put Berba on the bench and play Rooney up front, being flanked by both Valencia & Nani, with Park being able to roam.
We know they play twice before the match next week (tomorrow night then Thursday night), but form goes right out the window in a match like this. They've raised their game against us in recent times and I expect the same next Sunday, no matter how shite they've been lately.
I'll go 3-1 to us.
I'd be tempted to put Berba on the bench and play Rooney up front, being flanked by both Valencia & Nani, with Park being able to roam.
We know they play twice before the match next week (tomorrow night then Thursday night), but form goes right out the window in a match like this. They've raised their game against us in recent times and I expect the same next Sunday, no matter how shite they've been lately.
I'll go 3-1 to us.
Ah well, Valencia v Not 100% Aurelio makes me
I think it's more than likely to be Valencia v Aurelio and Insua as it was at Anfield.
If United do play the formation they played against Milan, I'd suspect Liverpool to fair a lot better against it.
a) The two defensive midfielders will essentially make Park's life a lot more hell than Pirlo and that useless Ambrosini guy could. Why Gattuso played in neither game amazes me somewhat.
b) Kuyt, Bennyoun, Gerrard and even Nando do a lot more defensive work than Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Huntellaar and Borriello.
c) Say what you want about Liverpool's back five, player for player they're better than the Milan back five at Old Trafford.
d) Torres even half fit is miles more clinical than Huntellaar.
Treating Liverpool like AC Milan, plays into Liverpool's hands and maybe engineering the side to suit Liverpool somewhat.
Team should be...
GK: VDS
RB: Neville
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Evra
RM: Valencia
CM: Park
CM: Fletcher
CM: Carrick
LM: Nani
CF: Rooney
Subs: Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Diouf
No doubt they'll raise their game and win
GK: VDS
RB: Neville
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Evra
RM: Valencia
CM: Park
CM: Fletcher
CM: Carrick
LM: Nani
CF: Rooney
Subs: Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Diouf
No doubt they'll raise their game and win
Not sure they'd double up on Valencia, while it is an option I think a fit Bennyoun does just enough work in both directions to justify his place.
van der Sar
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher
Scholes
Valencia
Rooney
Nani
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, Evans, Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Diouf.
Really difficult leaving Berbatov out for this one though
And I don't think we can just chuck Giggs straight back in there and hope he's immediately back on the pace, so to speak.
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher
Scholes
Valencia
Rooney
Nani
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, Evans, Giggs, Park, Berbatov, Diouf.
Really difficult leaving Berbatov out for this one though
And I don't think we can just chuck Giggs straight back in there and hope he's immediately back on the pace, so to speak.
4-3-3 and Scholes & Park to play, please.
Still no update on Scholes.
I love that Liverpool are in the Uefa Cup. It's fecking up their season.
They are ripe for the beating which usually means they'll hammer us, but I can't see it this time.
They are ripe for the beating which usually means they'll hammer us, but I can't see it this time.
if we dont win this game then we dont deserve to win the league, this lot have been a shower of shite this season and we should beat them with ease.
Man Utd 3. Liverpool 2.
Rooney 90+3
Rooney 90+7 (Deflection of the ref)
Rooney 90+10 (dodgy penalty)
Just to send RAWK into mass meltdown/suicidal mode.
Rooney 90+3
Rooney 90+7 (Deflection of the ref)
Rooney 90+10 (dodgy penalty)
Just to send RAWK into mass meltdown/suicidal mode.
and send half of us into ER.
Vds
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher
Giggs/Scholes
Park
Nani
Rooney
We owe them,
4-0 please !
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher
Giggs/Scholes
Park
Nani
Rooney
We owe them,
4-0 please !
I dont think that Milan will lose or draw so many games in english league like Liverpool
Liverpool have shown a considerable lack of effort in recent games, but I expect that to change for this one. If they can't be arsed putting the effort in for this game, then they need shooting.
3-0
Rooney x 2, Valencia.
Rooney x 2, Valencia.
I dont think that Milan will lose or draw so many games in english league like Liverpool
That Milan side would probably do better in the Premier League just on their attacking quality (e.g. Tottenham), but even Liverpool would be able to stuff them with their joke of a back four. They are certainly a lot lazier than Liverpool's team.
Cannot afford to underestimate Liverpool's work rate, it's been United's undoing.
You say that but in our two most recent games against them, we've played 4-4-2 and lost both. We lost convincingly on both occasions because they beasted our two man midfield on both occasions.
2 pages already.And if United play 4-5-1 Liverpool would capitulate to a 4-0 drobbing the way Milan did?
Somehow I don't think so.
Milan let United impose their game on them, Liverpool won't and will make it very difficult.
United will need a cautious patient team, not one that plays open gungho football. Remember that Liverpool "beasted" not just Carrick and Anderson but Park, Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney at Old Trafford last time, so just planning to run at them with no methodicalness isn't going to work. They didn't even need Alonso.
There is no one goal cushion going into this game.
I never said that, you are taking a comment way out of context.
I meant that we've played into their hands with 4-4-2 in the recent past, but have done well on many an occasion with 4-3-3.
So basically 4-3-3 and a midfield capable of dominating play is what we should and IMO will go with.
Did we have Fletch in the last few matches?
No, that is another factor in them having the Indian sign over us recently aswell as us playing into their hands with 4-4-2.
Exactly and with Hargreaves being out injured for an eternity, we lacked that somebody in midfield in recent games to get themselves in amongst their midfield. Somebody with a bit of bite who'll snap at their heels and mix it up a little.
I said Liverpool would cope better with 4-5-1 than Milan did and you said otherwise, I stand by my point. Liverpool are a lot more defensive and will be harder to beat.
The games against Liverpool are always competitive I don't think any five man midfield United have avaliable is capable of dominating the terms of the play and that shouldn't be the only consideration, when there's also the need to balance the wariness of the longball and counterattacking threat Liverpool pose with the need to impose United's own pass and move style on Liverpool.
United's 4-5-1 vs. Liverpool's 4-5-1 would be a tighter game than United's 4-5-1 vs. Milan's 4-5-1. Don't see anyone dominating the play unless there's a sending off involved.
I wouldn't put Park up against Mascherano, I'd stick him on Johnson. Mascherano can defend.
No. We haven't had a full strength midfield against them in ages.
Liverpool are good when they play like a small team. They are a £150m version of Stoke. We shouldn't underestimate them.
Their first XI looks pretty good on paper, but for some reason they have played terribly for a while....you just know they'll step up their game x1000 against us though
Well they've lost one first teamer in Skertl so to speak and Aurelio might be lacking match fitness, I do wonder if instead of Insua they'd opt for Kyrgiakos in defence alongside Agger and stick Carragher at leftback?
Well they've lost one first teamer in Skertl so to speak and Aurelio might be lacking match fitness, I do wonder if instead of Insua they'd opt for Kyrgiakos in defence alongside Agger and stick Carragher at leftback?
No, they'll play Insua at LB.
Insua or Carragher dealing with Valencia
No, they'll play Insua at LB.
Insua or Carragher dealing with Valencia
Keep in mind I'm second guessing Rafa Benitez here, who's opted for Mascherano at rightback for the last few league games.
I've just realised they're playing Lille this thursday. Brilliant. We have a week's rest while they have to play twice between now and Sunday. Hopefully Lille will give them a good run around, too.