PARK-A true unsung hero
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Funny thing is after playing so well for the last month, he'll have one bad game and the muppets will be out in force.
Quality player.
Quality player.
Park's not-quite-step-overs are always good for a smile. They work, though.
You're stretching now lads. He had a very good game and made a great cross for Berbatov's goal. No need to scrape the barrel by praising him for pulling off a very simple skill like crossing with the outside of his foot.
I think you missed the point.
The fact that he's prepared to try something a bit different is a sign of his confidence, he usually keeps things relatively simple.
I predicted it would take at least the better part of a season - if not longer - for Park to make it back from his defensive-mindset. We're now seeing the Park we bought from PSV. Full credit to him (and Rooney of course) for putting a damper on his own attacking prowess to help keep Ronaldo happy for all those years. A true winner.
He's scored just 2 goals this season - against Arsenal and Milan!
Such a big game player, especially when you consider of his 14 goals for us, 3 have come against Arsenal, 1 Chelsea and 1 Milan. He's such a vital player for us in the big games, but him scoring against these big teams suggest he's capable of upping his game against the lesser ones.
If he does that he wouldn't just be first choice for the big games but overall first choice.
Such a big game player, especially when you consider of his 14 goals for us, 3 have come against Arsenal, 1 Chelsea and 1 Milan. He's such a vital player for us in the big games, but him scoring against these big teams suggest he's capable of upping his game against the lesser ones.
If he does that he wouldn't just be first choice for the big games but overall first choice.
Again, this won't happen until FA refs perform what amounts to a collective backpedal and admit they've been letting opposition players get away with too much when dealing with Park.
Then again, it might happen. Who knows.
I also think we need to thank Ronaldo, whose departure quite possibly removed elements of unspoken conflict between Park and Nani, who were competing for the role of Ronaldo back-up. Now that he's gone, those two can freely express themselves without having to worry about upstaging the other whilst simultaneously worrying about one's own place in the team.
Really? Did it not strike you yesterday that Nani was Valencia's understudy? It certainly seemed that way to me with Nani playing better when out on the right. We've got another Giggs/Sharpe situation on our hands methinks, although neither as as good as Giggs obviously.
What about the Joe Cole rumour?
We'll then have Obertan, Tosic, Giggs, Cole, Park, Nani and Valencia as wingers.
Time to cash in for the Glazers again, with Nani no doubt favourite.
Very odd timing to make such a comment.
Nani played very well on the left-wing yesterday but was actually less effective when he switched to the right.
Park has previously shown he can play left, right or through the middle.
Valencia is the only winger who has yet to prove he can play on both wings but he's been so good on the right this has not yet been an issue. He's also never been injured, which is something we shouldn't rely on every season.
Plenty of room in our squad for Park, Nani and Valencia. At the moment Giggs is our fourth winger, in the longer term that slot will be up for grabs between Obertan and Tosic.
If we sign Joe Cole (which is a very big if) then Obertan/Tosic will need to wait a few more years to establish themselves. No big deal. No need to sell off one of our first-choice wingers to accomodate them.
Really? His corners were a joke and he was too greedy when cutting in.
There were several occasions when he cut in and instead of passing looked for glory and f*cked it up.
Corners weren't great but he played well.
Must have missed that bit.
eh? Did we all watch the same match ?
Don't you all love Park? 
(ok there are few here who won't admit in a million years no matter how well Park performs)
(ok there are few here who won't admit in a million years no matter how well Park performs)
We did but, some people's biases will lead to every shot taken by a player they don't rate as selfish, bad decision and so forth.
To some Nani (replace with Park, Berbatov, Gibson etc) needs to play an absolutely flawless game to have done okay. Anything other than that and any bad parts will be nitpicked at to try and detract from what most see as a very good performance.
Ok this has been bugging me for a while.
I really don't understand why people use the word semantics when they want to express something which "doesn't matter" or "irrelevant".
Semantics is related to meaning, like an underlying concept. When people argue like this:
A: "Some statement."
B: "No, that's not true, because statement2 is true and contradicts statement1."
A: "Semantics"
It makes no sense. If you want to express the idea that something is not the big picture, eventually irrelevant, then, if anything, the more correct word to use would be "syntactics".
If anyone understands why this word is used, let me know.
hehe you're so right
Obviously you were too busy posting.
Seriously, there were quite a few times where he had Evra on the overlap or Rooney/Berba inside and tried to shoot through a player or beat two or three of them. Yeah, his work rate was decent and he got back well but he still needs to mature with his decision-making.
Obviously you were too busy posting.
Seriously, there were quite a few times where he had Evra on the overlap or Rooney/Berba inside and tried to shoot through a player or beat two or three of them. Yeah, his work rate was decent and he got back well but he still needs to mature with his decision-making.
During matches I rarely do.Well I do when I watch streams but I can see where you're coming from.Nani is an irritating player and there were times yesterday I was like "wtf ?" but at the same time he created plenty of danger and was our most lively winger.
I guess it really depends on each fan appreciation levels.At the end of the day we all know what his strenghts and his weaknesses are but each one of us has his own tolerance level
Obviously you were too busy posting.
Seriously, there were quite a few times where he had Evra on the overlap or Rooney/Berba inside and tried to shoot through a player or beat two or three of them. Yeah, his work rate was decent and he got back well but he still needs to mature with his decision-making.
For sure but he put in a bunch of decent crosses (including a quality assist to Rooney and a golden opportunity for Berbatov) and generally passed the ball well. Add this to his work-rate and tracking back and you've got a very good performance, all things considered.
Glad to hear the latest Park chant going briefly yesterday. Think it's got a top rhythm to it and if I'm being honest, getting a tad bored with Park Park wherever you may be.
Semantics.
If you feel a migraine coming on (along with the blinding red urge to strangle something) then the word as used in its modern incarnation has performed to nothing less than perfection.
Would that be the "Achy-Breaky Heart" chant? Because I think that one's the dog's bollocks.
Don't sell my Park
My Ji Sung Park
I just don't think you understand
And if you sell my Park
My Ji Sung Park
Your gonna have a riot on your hands
My Ji Sung Park
I just don't think you understand
And if you sell my Park
My Ji Sung Park
Your gonna have a riot on your hands
Just found my self saying "ffs Nani, greedy cnut" too many times.
A quality assist to Rooney? I'd suggest it was fortunate.
Don't sell my Park
My Ji Sung Park
I just don't think you understand
And if you sell my Park
My Ji Sung Park
Your gonna have a riot on your hands
That's fantastic
It will happen in the next couple of games. Some people only ever seem to remember the last game.
Park's typical of the top Korean players. They see themselves as representing their country abroad and that adds to their drive to succeed outside Korea. They also grew up playing football on the streets, the training camps came later. That's why they have the ball skills they do.
I'm certainly not one of those people. There have been quite a few times where I've been one of the only people on here who did rate a Nani performance. I've also never had a problem with him shooting when he gets in that position near the box coming in off the left wing. But I don't think he was anywhere near as good against Fulham as most on here are saying (or against Milan for that matter either).
Against Fulham Nani did extremely well at constantly getting into huge amounts of space on the left wing and always being available for the pass. Perhaps the best I've ever seen him at his positioning and getting involved (although how much of that was due to the Fulham rightback playing very central is hard to tell). Because of that amount of space, Nani played an extremely important role in pushing Fulham back and putting us on the front foot. He was also doing well defensively, as he almost always does.
However, his actual passing and delivery were no better than usual. There were numerous times he should've swung the ball in quickly, but instead he did his usual trick of trying to beat his man three times to get into open space, but failing to do that and ruining the chance. Add to that passing into the wrong channels or hitting an opposition player (the Guardian chalkboard reckons he had 24 successful and 21 unsuccessful passes - quite a lot of those were crosses which are fine, but quite a lot were also simple 5-10m balls that just go wrong) and I don't get why he's being rated so highly.
He's being rated highly because he had a good game....quite simple.And actually his delivery from the left was better than usual. I don't get why you praise his pefromance in the first part of your post then proceed to dismantle it in the second.
If we are going to rate players on a game to game basis then Fulham performance was very decent at the least to good at the most.Most papers I read rated it as a 7/8 which is fair I think
It is because most people don't know how to use the word.
Semantics properly used, signifies a disagreement on the meaning of a statement or word. It has nothing to do with truth or facts.
It is commonly used when someone who believes themselves to be more clever than they actually are, makes a fool of themselves by misunderstanding or misreading a statement and then hastily covers their tracks with "semantics".
Be sort of like
Guy 1 "That beer was surprising, it had a rather unexpected taste"
Guy 2 "The beer was beer, but you don't need to praise it for tasting like beer"
Guy 1 "I wasn't praising it, I just said it was unexpected"
Guy 2 "Semantics"
In this completely fictional situation, Guy Number 2, let's just call him Wolverine for simplicity sake, has invested so much into his argument about that specific beer generally not being fit for consumption, that any statement made no matter how innocuous it may be is somehow relevant to his position. He therefore misunderstands a simple statement that the beer had an unexpected flavor and believes this to be praise when there was no indication in the statement itself that it was about praise.
When his misinterpretation is pointed out, he replies with the clever retort, "semantics".
The statement itself is completely neutral. It does not imply praise, nor does it imply disappointment. It simply is. For the statement to reflect Wolverines interpretation and thus fit the requirements for a semantic misunderstanding, some form or variation of "he did well" must be inserted into Guy 1's original statement. However because he doesn't and he simply leaves it as "it was unexpected" there is no semantic misunderstanding, there is simply a failure to read correctly and process the actual meaning of the sentence.
This leaves me to conclude that Wolverine should learn to read more carefully and not assume everything is about him.
Because they were two completely different things. His movement and ability to find space without the ball was top class (and that's something that I've always said he needs to improve), but his actual passing and decision making once with the ball was nowhere near the same level.
I'd probably give him a 6.5 - 7 rating. Not poor, but hardly great either.
PARK - I NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE UNITED | Football Transfer News, Football News, Fixtures, Results, Match Reports, Stats
PARK - I NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE UNITED
Park Ji-sung never felt like quitting Manchester United even in his despair at being completely overlooked for the 2008 Champions League final.
Despite being one of the most industrious players in Sir Alex Ferguson's squad, Park did not even make the bench for the Moscow shoot-out triumph against Chelsea.
Instead he was consigned to watch from the stands, the odd man out in every sense.
Coveted back home, and loved in Holland, where he performed so well for Guus Hiddink at PSV Eindhoven before being lured to Old Trafford by Sir Alex Ferguson, it would have been easy for Park to throw in the towel.
Instead he just approached his task with renewed vigour.
"That night was a big disappointment for me," recalled the 29-year-old, who was making an appearance at the announcement of a sponsorship deal between United and Turkish Airlines.
"I didn't want to leave because I felt I could do more to make it at United. That is why I stayed.
"I felt it would eventually happen and I believed we would reach another Champions League final, I just didn't expect it to be the following year."
Although Park finished a loser in Rome as United's hopes of retaining the trophy were wrecked by Barcelona, at least by being part of the squad he silenced some of the doubters who claimed he had only been bought because of his commercial value.
Having made two highly successful trips to Seoul since Park joined the club, United have certainly gained far in excess of the £4million they paid for the midfielder.
But Park denies he is a trophy asset.
"I didn't get a sense of just being signed for commercial reasons," he said.
"I wanted to show that Asian players could make it in Europe. But it was far more important for me just to become a better player. That is why I came to Europe from Asia.
"I do not think of myself as a standard bearer for Asian players. I just try to work hard for myself.
"Once I became more famous I was proud that people in Asia started to look towards me. All the Asian people respect me and watch me.
"But I don't want people to think of me as an Asian player. I am just a football player."
The reception Park receives when he goes home would rival anything David Beckham can generate in the UK.
He admits it can be slightly unnerving at times, although he finds earning his living half a world away provides a pretty significant buffer.
"Everything I do is watched," he said.
"It happened before I came to Manchester United but once I got here the scrutiny because even greater.
"All the games are live and lots of people watch them early in the morning.
"But when you are in England it is easy to deal with the attention. The people in Korea can't chase me all over the place here.
"I don't notice how excited they are. I can deal with that."
Park can also deal with the plaudits that have been heaped on him recently by Ferguson, who views the South Korean as one of the major beneficiaries of his new attacking system, with Wayne Rooney as a lone front-man.
Scepticism in the stands has also been erased, along with the self-doubt that Park carried as baggage when he first arrived at Old Trafford.
"I feel better about being at Manchester United," he said.
"When I first came I was a little bit worried that I would not be a success. But that always happens.
"You never know you are going to succeed until you have.
"What I was going to do at the time was more important. I just tried to do my best and once I started training I totally forgot about my concerns.
"Now I feel quite confident. Mentally I am in a good place.
"The fans have also been supporting me. It makes me more assured about showing my ability on the pitch."
PARK - I NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE UNITED
Park Ji-sung never felt like quitting Manchester United even in his despair at being completely overlooked for the 2008 Champions League final.
Despite being one of the most industrious players in Sir Alex Ferguson's squad, Park did not even make the bench for the Moscow shoot-out triumph against Chelsea.
Instead he was consigned to watch from the stands, the odd man out in every sense.
Coveted back home, and loved in Holland, where he performed so well for Guus Hiddink at PSV Eindhoven before being lured to Old Trafford by Sir Alex Ferguson, it would have been easy for Park to throw in the towel.
Instead he just approached his task with renewed vigour.
"That night was a big disappointment for me," recalled the 29-year-old, who was making an appearance at the announcement of a sponsorship deal between United and Turkish Airlines.
"I didn't want to leave because I felt I could do more to make it at United. That is why I stayed.
"I felt it would eventually happen and I believed we would reach another Champions League final, I just didn't expect it to be the following year."
Although Park finished a loser in Rome as United's hopes of retaining the trophy were wrecked by Barcelona, at least by being part of the squad he silenced some of the doubters who claimed he had only been bought because of his commercial value.
Having made two highly successful trips to Seoul since Park joined the club, United have certainly gained far in excess of the £4million they paid for the midfielder.
But Park denies he is a trophy asset.
"I didn't get a sense of just being signed for commercial reasons," he said.
"I wanted to show that Asian players could make it in Europe. But it was far more important for me just to become a better player. That is why I came to Europe from Asia.
"I do not think of myself as a standard bearer for Asian players. I just try to work hard for myself.
"Once I became more famous I was proud that people in Asia started to look towards me. All the Asian people respect me and watch me.
"But I don't want people to think of me as an Asian player. I am just a football player."
The reception Park receives when he goes home would rival anything David Beckham can generate in the UK.
He admits it can be slightly unnerving at times, although he finds earning his living half a world away provides a pretty significant buffer.
"Everything I do is watched," he said.
"It happened before I came to Manchester United but once I got here the scrutiny because even greater.
"All the games are live and lots of people watch them early in the morning.
"But when you are in England it is easy to deal with the attention. The people in Korea can't chase me all over the place here.
"I don't notice how excited they are. I can deal with that."
Park can also deal with the plaudits that have been heaped on him recently by Ferguson, who views the South Korean as one of the major beneficiaries of his new attacking system, with Wayne Rooney as a lone front-man.
Scepticism in the stands has also been erased, along with the self-doubt that Park carried as baggage when he first arrived at Old Trafford.
"I feel better about being at Manchester United," he said.
"When I first came I was a little bit worried that I would not be a success. But that always happens.
"You never know you are going to succeed until you have.
"What I was going to do at the time was more important. I just tried to do my best and once I started training I totally forgot about my concerns.
"Now I feel quite confident. Mentally I am in a good place.
"The fans have also been supporting me. It makes me more assured about showing my ability on the pitch."
I'd give him something similar. Maybe a half point higher.
The reason he's getting praise IMO is that the performance was acceptable. We should expect more from him (and he's clearly got the talent to deliver more) but if he can consistently perform like he did against Fulham (with a few Arsenal performances every now and then) he'll be playing well enough to ensure he has a long-term future at the club.
Which is reason enough to be positive, at the end of the day.
100% agree with this.
And Park scores again!
God, I love him
Man of the match, Fergie has found where Park fits best, as Rooney's partner in a 4-4-1-1.
It's hard to believe people still don't rate him
It's hard to believe people still don't rate him
He was epic today...Epic.