Who do you think deserves Fifa player of the year?

Who should be Fifa World Player of the Year ?

  • Lionel Messi

    Votes: 11 44.0%

  • Cristiano Ronaldo

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wesley Sneijder

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Arjen Robben

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Wayne Rooney

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Diego Forlan

    Votes: 5 20.0%

  • Xavi

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • Andres Iniesta

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • David Villa

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Didier Drogba

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
Gio said:
True enough, but it's an irrelevant point to the argument.

That team was in its dying embers - still a force to be reckoned with, but 6th in Serie A that season tells its own story.
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Actually 7th, but they had one of those freak seasons where 7th was just 2pts behind 3rd.

Anyway, we all understand that playing for Real or Barca gets you to the award so much more easily, so no point really debating it.

As I said, Casillas will probably win it for captaining his country to the WC and making 2 great saves in the final.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Ruud was all about goals, Messi is about so much more, from a player who is not an actual striker he scored that many goals. Has Ruud ever scored from outside the box? he was a master of penalty box finishing, Messi is a master of so much more and his performances, not just his goals have been sensational this season.

Like Gio says you cannot seperate individual from team performances. THe team is the most important, why else have a CL a World Cup to decide which Team is the best but that does not mean they have the best players or the best individual player.

THese awards do tend to work that way but my main point is that nobody was actually better than Messi so why would they deserve the award. Messi would easily swap winning wpoty for a world cup winners medal, as would any player.

You say Messi bottled it or whatever but then so did the whole barca team in the CL, or is it simply that Inter were a better team...

Or did they really have superior players?
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Again, all your praise for Messi could easily be applied for Ronaldo, eg: "about so much more, from a player who is not an actual striker he scored that many goals."

Ruud has scored some goals from outside the box, and your point is? Ronaldo probably has more goals from outside the box than Messi, so what?

That's all very well you harping on about Messi being the best, that's not very useful if he doesn't prove it on the biggest stage, is it? Or do you really think scoring hat-tricks against the likes of Xerez or whoever really counts more than vital winning goals in the CL or WC?

The point about the greatest players is that they DELIVER on the biggest stage:

Maradona in WC 86, Zidane in WC 98, that CL final volley, etc. Messi hasn't done that yet.
 
Cal? said:
Again, all your praise for Messi could easily be applied for Ronaldo, eg: "about so much more, from a player who is not an actual striker he scored that many goals."

Ruud has scored some goals from outside the box, and your point is? Ronaldo probably has more goals from outside the box than Messi, so what?

That's all very well you harping on about Messi being the best, that's not very useful if he doesn't prove it on the biggest stage, is it? Or do you really think scoring hat-tricks against the likes of Xerez or whoever really counts more than vital winning goals in the CL or WC?

The point about the greatest players is that they DELIVER on the biggest stage:

Maradona in WC 86, Zidane in WC 98, that CL final volley, etc. Messi hasn't done that yet.
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No i agree but my whole point has been that there was no Zidane or Maradona at this world cup or in the CL this season. Nobody was outstanding to that level it was teams that were the best that won, not due to individual performances.

That's the point i'm making. Messi was not in a team that won the CL or World Cup but as far as individual performances go he was still the best.

So do you think Ruud should have won it or not, i dont really understand.

And yes it can be said about Ronaldo but it's already been proven beyond belief that Ronaldo is a great player but not on Messis level, i know you'll never accept it but it's been proven time and again.
 
Cal? said:
Again, all your praise for Messi could easily be applied for Ronaldo, eg: "about so much more, from a player who is not an actual striker he scored that many goals."

Ruud has scored some goals from outside the box, and your point is? Ronaldo probably has more goals from outside the box than Messi, so what?

That's all very well you harping on about Messi being the best, that's not very useful if he doesn't prove it on the biggest stage, is it? Or do you really think scoring hat-tricks against the likes of Xerez or whoever really counts more than vital winning goals in the CL or WC?

The point about the greatest players is that they DELIVER on the biggest stage:

Maradona in WC 86, Zidane in WC 98, that CL final volley, etc. Messi hasn't done that yet.
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Zidane was average at WC 98
 
FranklyVulgar said:
No i agree but my whole point has been that there was no Zidane or Maradona at this world cup or in the CL this season. Nobody was outstanding to that level it was teams that were the best that won, not due to individual performances.

That's the point i'm making. Messi was not in a team that won the CL or World Cup but as far as individual performances go he was still the best.

So do you think Ruud should have won it or not, i dont really understand.

And yes it can be said about Ronaldo but it's already been proven beyond belief that Ronaldo is a great player but not on Messis level, i know you'll never accept it but it's been proven time and again.
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Err... Sneijder delivered just fine for Inter AND Netherlands, Xavi for Spain.

Anyway, we're never going to agree, so we'll leave it at that.

As for your final paragraph, that's just your deluded view of the world. :lol:
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Sneijder wasn't sighted in the Final.

If people are going to say Messi had a bum tournament when it counted, then same too with Sneijder.
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Well thats complete bollocks.

For a start, one poor game from Sneijder and he has to be judged equally to Messi's poor 5 Games?

Secondly? Wasn't sighted in the Final? The man was everywhere. Played at least 4 through balls that could have lead to goals but for his team mates failings and made 3 potentially game saving tackles in the box.

Take your Messi glasses off.

Messi is the best player in the world. Granted. No one can take that away from him because that is the general opinion of the majority of the world.

The award though is "Player of the Year". Who has performed the best?

Lets compare them shall we?

Messi:
La Liga. Winner.
Champions League. Semi Final.
Copa Del Rey. Last 16.
World Club Championship. Winner. (A competition not availible to Sneijder until later this year if he is still at Inter.)
Super Cup. Winner.(A competition not availible to Sneijder until later this year if he is still at Inter.)
World Cup. Quarter Final. No Goals Scored no MOTM Recieved.

Sneijder:
Serie A. Winner.
Champions League. Winner. Top Assister with 5.
Coppa Italia. Winner.
World Cup. Final. 5 Goals Scored (Joint Top Scorer). 4 MOTM Recieved.


Has Sneijder had a better year? Yes he has.
 
Cal? said:
Err... Sneijder delivered just fine for Inter AND Netherlands, Xavi for Spain.

Anyway, we're never going to agree, so we'll leave it at that.

As for your final paragraph, that's just your deluded view of the world. :lol:
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So as the only dutch player who happend to be playing for inter he automatically deserves the award.

Like i said i wont grudge him it. GOod luck to him.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
So as the only dutch player who happend to be playing for inter he automatically deserves the award.

Like i said i wont grudge him it. GOod luck to him.
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Please refer to Pexbo's post.

You make it sound like Sneijder played no part in Inter winning the Treble or Netherlands making the WC final. In fact, most people will agree that he played very important roles for both sides.
 
Cal? said:
Please refer to Pexbo's post.

You make it sound like Sneijder played no part in Inter winning the Treble or Netherlands making the WC final. In fact, most people will agree that he played very important roles for both sides.
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No i didnt say he didnt play a very important role, he certainly did but then so did so many players in each side. Like i've maintained it was the team performance of Inter Milan collectively, just like it was Holland and Spain, it's very difficult to pick a best player.

Sneijder got goals but the goals he got were nothing special, even debateable.
 
Cal? said:
Actually 7th, but they had one of those freak seasons where 7th was just 2pts behind 3rd.

Anyway, we all understand that playing for Real or Barca gets you to the award so much more easily, so no point really debating it.

As I said, Casillas will probably win it for captaining his country to the WC and making 2 great saves in the final.
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A keeper win the FIFA award? I can't see it happening. Kahn of 2002 was even better than Casillas of 2010 and Ronaldo's goals took the voting.
 
Cal? said:
He delivered, with stunning simplicity, in the biggest football game in 4 years.
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Desailly and Thuram were bigger influences in that Cup run than Zidane. fecking joke two goals in a final was deserving of a world award based on a calendar year. Ronaldo was hands down the best player on the planet in 1998 but because his side lost in the final he was shunned of his rightful award.
 
MrMarcello said:
Desailly and Thuram were bigger influences in that Cup run than Zidane. fecking joke two goals in a final was deserving of a world award based on a calendar year. Ronaldo was hands down the best player on the planet in 1998 but because his side lost in the final he was shunned of his rightful award.
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Just because of that logic of voting, I don't see Messi winning it the award.
 
Messi had an outstanding season for Barcelona and was really untouchable all year. He wasn't that good in the World Cup but he did have some good performances. It's not like the other players mentioned lit the world cup on fire apart from Sneijder really. For me it is all season performance > world cup performance.
 
puNANI said:
For me it is all season performance > world cup performance.
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Yea but that's the crux of it. You don't (unless the method has changed in the past year) decide who wins the award.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, because I don't, but in a World Cup year, players' performances in the biggest cup competition on the planet are duly noted and can be highly influential.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
No i didnt say he didnt play a very important role, he certainly did but then so did so many players in each side. Like i've maintained it was the team performance of Inter Milan collectively, just like it was Holland and Spain, it's very difficult to pick a best player.

Sneijder got goals but the goals he got were nothing special, even debateable.
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Yet Messi did it all on his own for Barca, it's not like most of his team mates at Barca just won the WC. :rolleyes:
 
MrMarcello said:
Desailly and Thuram were bigger influences in that Cup run than Zidane. fecking joke two goals in a final was deserving of a world award based on a calendar year. Ronaldo was hands down the best player on the planet in 1998 but because his side lost in the final he was shunned of his rightful award.
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L Ronaldo himself, was the beneficiary of that kind of voting in 2002. So what goes around comes around.
 
Cal? said:
Yet Messi did it all on his own for Barca, it's not like most of his team mates at Barca just won the WC. :rolleyes:
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Didn't say that, but sniejder managed 9 goals for inter in all comp with 12 assists. Maicon from right back managed more assists and almost as many goals. Milito scored 32 in all comps... My point is that he was not the standout in his team, he was one of many.

Messi like it or not was the standout this season with 47 goals and 14 assists to his name. No other Barcelona got near his contribution to the team and no other player got near his overall productivity.
 
FV, goals aren't everything. Zidane never topped 12 total goals in his award winning seasons. Sneijder's influence on Inter and Netherlands can't be ignored.
 
MrMarcello said:
FV, goals aren't everything. Zidane never topped 12 total goals in his award winning seasons. Sneijder's influence on Inter and Netherlands can't be ignored.
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Never said they were, my point is was SNeijders influence on Inter and Holland any greater than Milito, Maicon, Lucio, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Van Bommel (utter cnut but he was a key player), Heitinga, Robben...

I've always maintained that goals arent everything but on the one hand you have cal and co talking about why Ruud didnt win when he scored the most goals but then Ruud didnt do what Messi does on top of the goals.

Anyway i'm getting tired of repeating myself, my point is and only is that Sneijder was not THE standout player, he was in two well worked teams. If anything yuo have to credit Mourinho and Van Marwijk the most for creating the sides and having them play in their style in order to succeed. This was no Maradona 86, this was a tournament and a season where the best team triumphed.

As far as individual players go the best team doesnt always have the best player, in this season Messi was still so much better than anyone else for the majority of the season i find it hard to argue that he deserves it again.

Messi has been awarded the European Golden Shoe, Champions League Top Scorer, La Liga Best Player, La liga top scorer already.

Will Sneijder pick up best player in italy? doubt it, his hype succeeds his actual performances. He's flavour of the month and he is an excellent player. But best in the world? give me a break.
 
We are going round in circles, with people advocating different bases for voting, which is a fair representation of how voting pans out eventually.

If anything it looks like a toss-up between Messi and Sneijder.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Will Sneijder pick up best player in italy? doubt it, his hype succeeds his actual performances. He's flavour of the month and he is an excellent player. But best in the world? give me a break.
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Like when you tried to hype Messi over Ronaldo in 2008? Messi was flavor of the month after a hat trick against Real where as Ronaldo was dominate all year. Same in 2007 when Kaka scored a couple goals against United in the CL and suddenly he was the choice for WPOTY. Hogwash.

My post clearly said Sneidjer's season can't be ignored. You seem to take anything not supporting or praising Messi as some sort of personal insult. In a post before that I said Messi will probably win the award. But I'm also stating that Sneijder has a deserving claim. Even a Messi fanboi as yourself has to admit Sneijder has just rights for inclusion and even being the eventual winner.
 
Boss said:
If Messi was just about goals he wouldn't be rated as highly as he is, from an attacking perspective he does it all, week in, week out
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Except in the few weeks during the World Cup.. :smirk:
 
Messi will win it but he shouldn't this year. Sneijder's passing in the knockout rounds of the CL was amazing. He played so many brilliant through balls having barely any time to think, on the counter attack. For me it should go to someone who a) good domestically b) good in the big matches of the CL and c) shone at the WC.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Sneijder was a key clog in two machines. Both Holland and Inter actually played a simeler style and the reason Inter were able to win everything was because they had a fantiastic team and Sneijder was a big part of that but no more so than many many other players in that side.

He wasnt the absolute key to holland, infact he didnt play sensationally in any match, he showed flashes of brilliance and got a lot of luck with his goals in the world cup. They side was built on hard work and solidity. He was a part of that, he showed great desire and worked hard for his team but he didnt raise the level.

He scored 8 goals in all comps last season for Inter, thats from around 40 matches. He missed quite alot of games so to call him the key for inter in the league is missleading.

Also i think the player who had the most impact in the CL was Milito, not Sneijder and add to that he wasnt the best player at the world cup.

He had a great season but the best in the world? not quite and not ever to be honest.

Messi was just producing week in week out match winning performances and the few times he didnt his side suffered badly. Inter were a stronger team than Barcelona last season but their was still no greater player than Messi.
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Like I said, Messi did score in the La Liga against everyone (Xerez:p) but when it really mattered, he bottled it. Both Messi and Sneider were the "key cogs" as you put it but Sneider led his team to glory in every competition and his nation to final, while Messi "only" won one trophy. And considering he plays in one of the best teams of our times and considering that team plays in La Liga, where defenders clap attackers for a nice move (as I like to say :D), I'd say Sneijder's accomplishments were a lot harder to accomplish. And that is why I think he deserves it before Messi.


Aboutreika18 said:
Rubbish. Milito scored the winner in the Coppa Italia final, the winner on the final day of Serie A and both goals in the Champions League final.

He also managed to hit the 30 goal mark in a season for the first time in his club career.

The likes of Lucio, Cambiasso, Zanetti and Maicon also had brilliant seasons for Inter.
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Rubbish. Milito scored those 4 goals you said (in finals) so he had better season than Sneijder?!? I'm talking about the whole season, not the last couple of games, and Sneijder was, at least IMO, their best player throughout the season, defending, making great passes, assisting, scoring important goals, they all relied on him to deliver, even Milito you mentioned, who scored the goals in the CL final, but was set up superbly by Sneijder for the first goal, who also started the break for the second.
 
Someone list all the choices discussed in this thread and I'll make a poll.
 
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