Thanks for the heads up. Out of my lineups game now
Valencia CF v Manchester United
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Thanks for the heads up. Out of my lineups game now
They arent. Their best two players of last season were Ever Banega and David Villa. After that maybe Cesar Sanchez, Carlos Marchena and Mathieu at left back. 2 of those 5 players are no longer at the club. David Silva is no longer at the club. And Banega is injured so wont play.
They've made some interesting signings especially in midfield, but having barely played together or proven themselves at this level, well who knows what to expect?
Buraspor were poor in the last champions league match.
Well Rooney hasnt travelled so its pretty much nailed on Berbatov alone up front. Which will give Navarro, Costa and Cesar Sanchez sweet dreams because we're unlikely to exploit their frailties at the back like that.
The team I predict
-------------------VDS------------------
O Shea---Rio-----------Vidic----Evra
----------Fletcher-------Scholes--------
-------------------Anderson-------------
Nani----------------------------------Park
-----------------Berbatov----------------
Subs: PIG, Rafael, Evans, Gibson, Owen, Macheda, Bebe (we need a sub who can play wide)
I reckon we will draw 0-0 in a tight boring match
-------------------VDS------------------
O Shea---Rio-----------Vidic----Evra
----------Fletcher-------Scholes--------
-------------------Anderson-------------
Nani----------------------------------Park
-----------------Berbatov----------------
Subs: PIG, Rafael, Evans, Gibson, Owen, Macheda, Bebe (we need a sub who can play wide)
I reckon we will draw 0-0 in a tight boring match
Carrick has been out for some time, it would be foolish to throw him into such a vital match.
Anderson? Really?
Gibson functions well in a 4-3-3. I reckon he will start, along with Fletcher and Scholes.
No Valencia, No Rooney, No Giggs. An out of form Fletcher and an even more out of form defense.
I'll gladly take a draw in this.
I'll gladly take a draw in this.
Gibson will play and he will score.
Gibson offers nothing but a long range shots. He even takes them sometimes, when other and better options are available. However, if he plays in a congested midfield, he may not be a bad option, simply because others will pull the strings.
That said, I don't think we'll see Scholes and Gibson, and Anderson on the pitch at the same time.
Carrick-Fletcher-Scholes is the most likely 3 man midfield. Slight chance of Anderson on the left, instead of Park, or instead of Carrick but no room for Gibson at all
I have an odd feeling, that we'll see one of our other strikers, like Macheda or Owen, or Hernandez on the left. And you know what? I would looove to see that
What makes you think Carrick will play? I don't see him even getting a look in.
Nani, Scholes, Fletcher and Park are certain starters. Then it's between Anderson and Gibson. I have a feeling Fergie will go with Gibson.
Can't see it. We have approached away European ties quite negatively in recent years and I expect that to be the same this year. Park will play from the left.
Park looked like he regains his form/fitness the last game. So, I agree about him, though if we are left with only Berba-Nani upfront, we are in deep shit. Park is better at a 4-4-2. Anderson or another forward from the left, would be a better choice.
Carrick? Well, if he's fit, he'll play part, even if he doesn't start. Fletcher doesn't look himself. The next best option available is Carrick
Why isn't Obertan considered is beyond me. He's our only true winger left. Let's say, Fergie thinks he lacks experience, but in a 4-5-1 any possible mistakes he could do, won't be fatal, as he would be covered in our 5 man midfield. And going forward, he offers speed and height...
hmm I could see Bébé on the bench.
4-5-1
--------Van der Sar---------
--Rafael-Brown-Vidic-Evra---
-----------Fletcher---------
-Park-Gibson-Anderson-Nani-
----------Berbatov----------
Subs: Kuszczak; O'Shea, Ferdinand; Scholes, Bébé; Owen, Hernandez
It's a shame I have to leave out Owen, but the defence at the moment needs a five man midfield.
I'm reminded of the Wolfsburg game, No Rooney, No Berbatov, Only one senior recognised defender and one junior defender in the match-squad.
feck no Rooney as well together with Giggs and Valencia, when will Carrick and Hargreaves return?
VDS
Brown
Vidic
Rio (I presume Bolton were deemed a bit robust for him)
Evra
Nani
Scholes
Fletch
Gibbo/Ando
Park
Berbatov
PIG
GNev
OShea
Evans
Gibbo/Ando
Owen
Hernandez
I can see Hernandez getting a runout maybe from the 60/70th assuming we'll be on the back foot and looking for quick breaks - unless he persist with Owen due to his recent run.
Brown
Vidic
Rio (I presume Bolton were deemed a bit robust for him)
Evra
Nani
Scholes
Fletch
Gibbo/Ando
Park
Berbatov
PIG
GNev
OShea
Evans
Gibbo/Ando
Owen
Hernandez
I can see Hernandez getting a runout maybe from the 60/70th assuming we'll be on the back foot and looking for quick breaks - unless he persist with Owen due to his recent run.
I would like to see 451. Berba up front. Nani on right and i expect Park on left. Scholes, Fletcher in middle and i would also like to see Anderson there as well. With Obertan playing for the reserves that is him out of contention but with no Bebe, any chance he might travel squad or any chance a bench. Doubt it but who knows. I really thought Obertan would get a chance by now.
Based on that info (Obertan playing for reserves), I reckon Park will start down the left. Would love to see Anderson given a shot down the left flank though based on how he fared in a more attacking role for previous clubs - but Fergie obviously does not see him in that role.
Bebe is travelling !!
travelling squad from Utd site
Goalkeepers: Van der Sar, Kuszczak, Amos.
Defenders: Smalling, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, O'Shea, Evans, Rafael, Brown.
Midfielders: Anderson, Bebe, Nani, Carrick, Gibson, Fletcher, Park.
Forwards: Hernandez, Berbatov, Macheda, Owen.
Goalkeepers: Van der Sar, Kuszczak, Amos.
Defenders: Smalling, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, O'Shea, Evans, Rafael, Brown.
Midfielders: Anderson, Bebe, Nani, Carrick, Gibson, Fletcher, Park.
Forwards: Hernandez, Berbatov, Macheda, Owen.
The goal against Scunthorpe suggests you're full of shit. Long live the anti Gibson bullshit though
Pretty much a dead cert that we'll go for Berbatov as the lone striker and Nani on the right. Vidic will play CB and Evra LB, but the rest of the team is pretty much open for change considering our latest games. Alot of players returning to fitness provides Ferguson with alot of options. Do we risk playing Rio?
No Neville, Scholes, Rooney or Giggs. This could be a long night!
At a guess, I would say it will be 451.
Berbatov up top, Nani and Park on the wings. Scholes and Fletcher will be in midfield. 3rd midfield spot could go to either Anderson or Gibson imo - i would go with Anderson but then Gibson probably has better match fitness at the moment and is a bigger goal threat so may get the nod.
Not sure who will be in defence. Evra and Vidic are the only ones I would be certain about. I would go with Rio to partner Vidic but RB is a problem. Personally I think it should be Brown that gets the nod but O'Shea could retain his place.
VDS in goals, hopefully.
If that was the formation, I would go with a bench of
Kuszczak, O'Shea (if Brown starts), Evans (if Rio starts), Bebe, Gibson/Anderson Owen, Kiko.
Berbatov up top, Nani and Park on the wings. Scholes and Fletcher will be in midfield. 3rd midfield spot could go to either Anderson or Gibson imo - i would go with Anderson but then Gibson probably has better match fitness at the moment and is a bigger goal threat so may get the nod.
Not sure who will be in defence. Evra and Vidic are the only ones I would be certain about. I would go with Rio to partner Vidic but RB is a problem. Personally I think it should be Brown that gets the nod but O'Shea could retain his place.
VDS in goals, hopefully.
If that was the formation, I would go with a bench of
Kuszczak, O'Shea (if Brown starts), Evans (if Rio starts), Bebe, Gibson/Anderson Owen, Kiko.
I hope we play 2 up top
Well now that Scholes isn't starting I'd line up with....
Starting both Carrick and Anderson would be a massive risk but it would also give both a massive confidence boost, which is what they both need. I've a feeling Fergie will start Gibson in place of Anderson, however.
van der Sar
Brown Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Carrick Fletcher Anderson
Nani Berbatov Park
Brown Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Carrick Fletcher Anderson
Nani Berbatov Park
Starting both Carrick and Anderson would be a massive risk but it would also give both a massive confidence boost, which is what they both need. I've a feeling Fergie will start Gibson in place of Anderson, however.
no scholes
ssssssssssshhhhhhhit. just assumed he was there. crap.
That puts the shitters on the midfield then.
Fletcher being the only regular CM in the traveling squad (Ando and Carrick out through injury, Gibson not good enough to start)
Suppose Ando and Fletcher have to start now, with either Gibbo or Carrick taking the other spot. Not too happy about that.
Really worried about this game.
Take that Daily Mail you cnuts
no suprise giggs injured and scholes can't play every game, anderson, fletcher and carrick need to step up.....
This is true, but is Carrick actually fit enough to step up? Been out for a couple of weeks and hasn't even featured on the bench.
I want Fergie to play Hernandez and Berba up top but he wont!
I'm thinking Gibson will start frankly instead of Anderson due to Gibson having a goal threat. Other than Nani and Berbatov we wouldn't have any goal threat in that side so we'd be relying on those 2 to nail it. If we played Gibson then at least we have a midfielder not afraid to take shots on.
It's going to be a real challenge this game to be honest.
I can just picture it, Fletch Gibson Anderson in MF...
Berbs up front alone, Nani right Park left with Bebe' to add the extra attacking edge.
Hernandez/Owen on standby same goes for Macheda...
Defense has to play top form to get at least a draw there
Berbs up front alone, Nani right Park left with Bebe' to add the extra attacking edge.
Hernandez/Owen on standby same goes for Macheda...
Defense has to play top form to get at least a draw there
Given the numbers of defenders (eight), I could see either three defenders on the bench (with either O'Shea being centremidfield cover or Rafael as wing cover), or O'Shea starting in central midfield. This may simply indicate that Rio, Anderson and Carrick aren't totally fit.
Come on ladies, where's yer bottle?
We'll do Valencia 1-0 with a classic away performance.
We'll do Valencia 1-0 with a classic away performance.
We need an away win and I hope the winning streak starts from this match.
No Neville is nothing new (quality alliteration right there) but travelling without any of the other three mentioned is a massive kick in the balls, all the more so when Anderson/Carrick are only just back from injury and only have only played reserves/CS games so far this season.
I think we're gonna lose.
Anderson - Gibson - Fletcher
It's gonna be fun
It's gonna be fun
Carrick's travelled, which is the only bit of good news this morning.
If Carrick and Anderson both roll back the years and have really good games, then a midfield of Fletcher, Carrick and Anderson is actually quite decent.
Big bloody "if" though.
Yep, especially if we give both Fletcher and Anderson some licence to join up with the attack and flood the box with Carrick sitting deep.
Could work a treat, especially if they run off Berbatov. Like you said though, with both coming back from injury, it's a big "if".
Shux, just read now Rooney didn't travel. Anyone know how long he is out for?
That's unusually negative from you Pogue.
With no Scholes i'm now expecting O'Shea to play in midfield again.
We'll be fine. 0-0.
No Scholes, no Rooney - Carrick back apparently...so probably:
----------------VDS-------------
O'Shea-----Vidic-----Rio-----Evra
--------------Fletcher-----------
Nani---Carrick---Anderson---Park
---------------Berba-------------
----------------VDS-------------
O'Shea-----Vidic-----Rio-----Evra
--------------Fletcher-----------
Nani---Carrick---Anderson---Park
---------------Berba-------------
True. Probably down to just listening to a podcast in which Sid Lowe was waxing lyrical about Valencia having a great start to the season. He put this down to a really strong and well-organised central midfield.
Which is probably the worst possible sort of team we could play right now.