I've never quite understood it, why do so many on here hate Madrid?
The hate for Real Madrid
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I don't particularly hate them. I do love seeing them fail though mainly because of the excesses that they have and seeing them implode even with those excesses is funny as feck. Don't know if that qualifies as hate. Now Liverpool and Citeh on the other hand.....
I can think of a few reasons:
They spend ridiculous amounts of money dating back decades
their president is a massive cnut as was the former one
they always go for our players and Nani is blatantly the next one
they are just idiots, selling Eto'o despite him being an amazing talent, rumored to turn down Ronaldinho because he's 'too ugly'
Signing Faubert
allowing Makalele to leave
arrogance
They spend ridiculous amounts of money dating back decades
their president is a massive cnut as was the former one
they always go for our players and Nani is blatantly the next one
they are just idiots, selling Eto'o despite him being an amazing talent, rumored to turn down Ronaldinho because he's 'too ugly'
Signing Faubert
allowing Makalele to leave
arrogance
I can think of a few reasons:
So? I don't really see that as a reason to hate a football club.
And our owners are cnuts. Gill is a bit of cnut. Your point?
They want to be the best so they go after our best players. And the only one who we've really allowed to leave who we'd rather stayed is Ronaldo. Beckham, Ruud, Heinze were all on their way out anyway.
Eto'o was nothing but a talent back then, and they had Ronaldo who was banging them in for fun as per. Again I don't see the problem.
Signing Faubert
Djemba-Djemba?
That was a mistake on Perez's part, Del Bosque wanted to keep him but Perez wouldn't put him on parity with the other players, despite him being key to their success.
If you're the best you can afford to be arrogant.
They haven't been the best in ages.
I don't hate them, those are just a few reasons why I can see people not liking them
I can't hate a team where the team in question has no clue that I do, it's got to work both ways
I can't hate a team where the team in question has no clue that I do, it's got to work both ways
They're the biggest club in the world, they're the most successful team in CL history, no team has won more CL's than them this decade. Granted they've had a torrid few years in the CL, but they're still one of the best teams. They really ought to have beaten Lyon last season.
Same here. I just find them failing funny.
The same reason a lot of fans in England hate us even though we are not their rivals. They treat us in much the same way as we treat teams like Spurs - we talk about their players in the media to pressure them into selling, we sign their best players, a lot of their best players want to play for us, and we are a lot more successful than them.
I never cared much for them one way or the other before the Ronaldo saga. It all changed after that. Dont really hate them tho, just dont like them much. Dont like Barcelona much either for that sake, dont know why. Liked them back when Romario and that bulgarian played for them. Watched them a lot when Ronaldinho played for them. But that's all beside the point I guess..
Madrid is actually the team I cheer in Spain. They've lost a lot of players though that I liked, including my favorite so it's not the same anymore. I'm a football fan and I root for them rather than Barcelona, Valencia or Atl. Madrid when watching La Liga.
Really don't like their way in the transfer market though. It's not a thing to defend. I don't find it laughable getting Faubert on a loan deal, rather cutting on players like Eto'o or Sneijder or Mata or Owen at his peak. Signing a player and then not using him is worse than signing a player who turns out crap. Just look at Barcelona. Probably the got the single worst transfers last two seasons in Chygrinskyi and Cacares but no one speaks about that.
I know Barca can be blamed for having a cnut of a president but it's not the same with Madrid is it? Isn't it a more privileged group of stupid voters responsible for Calderon and Perez twice.
I really don't think you can hate them for money. They established themselves a long long time ago and are earning it as club, not from a sugar daddy solely.
And why hate the Galactico style? If it means that they don't win the CL then surely it's only a good thing for United.
Really don't like their way in the transfer market though. It's not a thing to defend. I don't find it laughable getting Faubert on a loan deal, rather cutting on players like Eto'o or Sneijder or Mata or Owen at his peak. Signing a player and then not using him is worse than signing a player who turns out crap. Just look at Barcelona. Probably the got the single worst transfers last two seasons in Chygrinskyi and Cacares but no one speaks about that.
I know Barca can be blamed for having a cnut of a president but it's not the same with Madrid is it? Isn't it a more privileged group of stupid voters responsible for Calderon and Perez twice.
I really don't think you can hate them for money. They established themselves a long long time ago and are earning it as club, not from a sugar daddy solely.
And why hate the Galactico style? If it means that they don't win the CL then surely it's only a good thing for United.
Their attitude towards our club, perhaps?
Raul?
I thought the relationship was quite good back in the day.
Yes, but we've all become some greedy f'n human beings since those days
I wouldn't say that I hate Real, but they definitely aren't my favorite club. I'd much rather they win the league than Barcelona though because Real is at least honest about what they are. They don't try to be holier than thou like Barca and its fans. They're just a spend-happy bunch of assholes who think everyone and their brother wants to play for them. Barca spend endless hours being fellated by the media despite being as bad as Real at tapping up players and buying everyone.
Oh noes, you've opened a can of worms.
What's this burgeoning Nani to RM movement that I'm seeing appear on the boards?
The fact that they are able to sign players for ridiculous amounts of money that they borrow without any obligations to return the money to the banks due to their status is another reason.
I'm indifferent when it comes to Madrid or any Spanish club have respect for Barcelona because of the fan ownership but i only care to watch the English league.
An entrepreneur, lets call him Phil, comes up with a product. It can be any product: a website, a toaster, a killer ninja battle droid, you name it, but Phil designs and develops it. He makes it successful. It’s him who brings this product to the attention of the world… and it’s a truly great product. Now once this online killer ninja robot toaster is in the public eye, and shown to be a success, a big corporation buys it. It pays off Phil, the entrepreneur, creator and nurturer, and takes the product for itself, selling it under it’s name and reaping the benefits of it’s spin off fluffy toys and lunch boxes. The great product is now owned by the corporation, helping it succeed, which it does.
Who is great in this equation? Phil or the corporation?
I ask you this because this is how I often see Real Madrid. Most people probably casually accept Real Madrid as king of the uber-super clubs, but why? What actual pragmatic reason is there for this lofty assumption? Before you try and figure it out, Phil isn’t supposed to be anyone at all, but I could, feasibly, have given him any number of names, Alex, Carlo, Claude, Jose, Rafa, Gérard, Louis etc but I didn’t want to tie it to one instance. Because there isn’t one instance. Madrid don’t really develop players. They don’t really even develop teams. They let other clubs and other managers do this, and once the player has proved his worth to the world, they buy him, and use him to make themselves more successful. Which often, they do.
Historically of course, Real are undoubtably great. The early teams of the Di Stefano era and the Quinta del Buitre generation of the 80s are both truly great sides. But in the last 25 years what have Madrid achieved, on their own merit, to make them truly great? Because it’s only really in the last 25 years, even the last 10, that this claim has been forcibly made....
...and on and on over here...Will the Real 'Biggest Club in the World' please stand up | FootballFanCast.com
..I hate them elmo. They're twats.
Who is great in this equation? Phil or the corporation?
I ask you this because this is how I often see Real Madrid. Most people probably casually accept Real Madrid as king of the uber-super clubs, but why? What actual pragmatic reason is there for this lofty assumption? Before you try and figure it out, Phil isn’t supposed to be anyone at all, but I could, feasibly, have given him any number of names, Alex, Carlo, Claude, Jose, Rafa, Gérard, Louis etc but I didn’t want to tie it to one instance. Because there isn’t one instance. Madrid don’t really develop players. They don’t really even develop teams. They let other clubs and other managers do this, and once the player has proved his worth to the world, they buy him, and use him to make themselves more successful. Which often, they do.
Historically of course, Real are undoubtably great. The early teams of the Di Stefano era and the Quinta del Buitre generation of the 80s are both truly great sides. But in the last 25 years what have Madrid achieved, on their own merit, to make them truly great? Because it’s only really in the last 25 years, even the last 10, that this claim has been forcibly made....
...and on and on over here...Will the Real 'Biggest Club in the World' please stand up | FootballFanCast.com
..I hate them elmo. They're twats.
Their immense arrogance? The fact that they expect they can take any player from any club? Their history off unsettling a couple of our key players?
They're everything that's wrong with football. Barca arent much better but at least they play pretty football to (almost) make up for their cuntishness.
Actually scrap that I equally hate them both with a passion, feck em.
They're everything that's wrong with football. Barca arent much better but at least they play pretty football to (almost) make up for their cuntishness.
Actually scrap that I equally hate them both with a passion, feck em.
Amen to that.
Obviously, elmo's not for turning, thanks to his burgeoning love affair with their manager but I do find it odd that any United fan would not despise the twats after the tactics they used to unsettle and sign our best player. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this included door-stepping his mother (who has previously been diagnosed with cancer) and taking a photo of her holding a picture of him in a Madrid shirt, with a quote saying she wants to see him at Los Meringos before she dies. A new low. Even for those cnuts.
That and the whole fascist thing...
Obviously, elmo's not for turning, thanks to his burgeoning love affair with their manager but I do find it odd that any United fan would not despise the twats after the tactics they used to unsettle and sign our best player. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this included door-stepping his mother (who has previously been diagnosed with cancer) and taking a photo of her holding a picture of him in a Madrid shirt, with a quote saying she wants to see him at Los Meringos before she dies. A new low. Even for those cnuts.
That and the whole fascist thing...
Just the way they treated Makelele who was their most important player is enough for me to remind how much I hate them
Their Presidential Circus, their utter disrespect to their managers(Sacking Del Bosque, Capello etc), their shameless courting of other teams players and before anyone says that we do it as-well, I agree we do but usually it's on a far lower scale than them. I mean their campaign for Ronaldo lasted for 3 full years, in which they included Marca plus the customary weekly "Ronaldo needs to play for Real Madrid to be counted as world's great" quote from a Real Madrid Player, How they treat their players(Makelele).
What's even remotely likable about them?
What's even remotely likable about them?
Paranoia.
I agree with the first part of your post. But it's not like they haven't atleast made a claim at being the best club in newer history. They have 3 CL victories in the last 15 years. As far as I can tell no other team has that, although Milan can count 5 trophies in the last 25.
I don't hate Real Madrid for what it's worth. They have their style of doing things, which I don't agree with it, but I don't mind much either.
edit: didn't notice the part where you say "on their own merit". Do you mean that buying a winning team is not their merit? Or that others have made the claim of being the best for them, and that they don't have the trophies to show for it?
It's better to read that whole article...I go into much greater detail as to "why"...That's only an opening statement your honour.
Well exactly...Milan have been far more successful post Madrid's 1950s success. In fact Milan are the club to have come the closest to winning a CL in every decade since then (only the 70s misses out form the 1960s - 00s, and even then only by a year) That is surely a greater achievement than winning 5 in one decade and 3 in another (their recent succes in the CL spanned only 5 years) That's basically 2 teams. 2 very succesfull teams yeah, but United, Barca, Milan, Juve et all have created 4 or 5 great teams each, minimum. And in a far more organic way too it must be said. That 50s success dwarfs everything, and they've just basically managed to spin that as being more significant than anything else any other club has ever done, and more important than it truly was. We don't consider Uruguay a greater nation than France or Spain despite them winning more WCs than either. Nor do we consider Notts Forest as big a club than Juve or Inter. Yet Madrid have convinced us we should...or something like that.
The last paragraph of that article sums it up...it's not that I'm saying they're not a big club. Of course they are, they're huge. But they're not by far and away the greatest. In almost every criterea you could use to define greatness aside from CL trophy hall they come 2nd best if that, yet have built themselves an image of being the pinnacle.
Well exactly...Milan have been far more successful post Madrid's 1950s success. In fact Milan are the club to have come the closest to winning a CL in every decade since then (only the 70s misses out form the 1960s - 00s, and even then only by a year) That is surely a greater achievement than winning 5 in one decade and 3 in another (their recent succes in the CL spanned only 5 years) That's basically 2 teams. 2 very succesfull teams yeah, but United, Barca, Milan, Juve et all have created 4 or 5 great teams each, minimum. And in a far more organic way too it must be said. That 50s success dwarfs everything, and they've just basically managed to spin that as being more significant than anything else any other club has ever done, and more important than it truly was. We don't consider Uruguay a greater nation than France or Spain despite them winning more WCs than either. Nor do we consider Notts Forest as big a club than Juve or Inter. Yet Madrid have convinced us we should...or something like that.
The last paragraph of that article sums it up...it's not that I'm saying they're not a big club. Of course they are, they're huge. But they're not by far and away the greatest. In almost every criterea you could use to define greatness aside from CL trophy hall they come 2nd best if that, yet have built themselves an image of being the pinnacle.
My reasons why I hate them are -
They have humiliated many a great player and coach by simply not giving them enough time to bring success and in the end it cost the muppets. So many amazing players and managers have been shown the door for no other reason but the fact that they didn`t score 6 goals on their debut.
They get interest free loans from Government run Spanish banks and when they get into financial trouble they are imeediately bailed out by the Spanish Government. No wonder Barcelona are trying to join a separate Catalan league!
They get all of the TV money in Spain which has shot them in the foot as the league has become a 2 horse race every year due to less competition and that is why England has become the prefered league of the World.
They have played shit football for the last 5 years even with amazing players because their fans are muppets and jeer a world class player after one mistake. Its a bit like whats happening with the England team being afraid to play football in fear of the fans jeers.
But in saying that I dont mind watching them play once in a while but considering the players they have they are nothing special to watch and have not been for a long time.
They have humiliated many a great player and coach by simply not giving them enough time to bring success and in the end it cost the muppets. So many amazing players and managers have been shown the door for no other reason but the fact that they didn`t score 6 goals on their debut.
They get interest free loans from Government run Spanish banks and when they get into financial trouble they are imeediately bailed out by the Spanish Government. No wonder Barcelona are trying to join a separate Catalan league!
They get all of the TV money in Spain which has shot them in the foot as the league has become a 2 horse race every year due to less competition and that is why England has become the prefered league of the World.
They have played shit football for the last 5 years even with amazing players because their fans are muppets and jeer a world class player after one mistake. Its a bit like whats happening with the England team being afraid to play football in fear of the fans jeers.
But in saying that I dont mind watching them play once in a while but considering the players they have they are nothing special to watch and have not been for a long time.
They realistically aim for the Champions League as do we, thus we are rivals, and I want them to fail.
I doubt they would ever need to take Nani from us
The thing that has always annoyed me with them is how they repeatidly do everything that i dont like happening in football and i hate thier approach of we have had a few disapointing years so lets buy thier best player, thier best player and thier best player for X amount of money, when that doesnt work we will then sack the manager who has probably had 6 months to a year in the job. When this doesnt work sign more players for more money the year after. Also almost no youth makes thier team and ive heard lots of stories of managers having to pick out of form galacticos over other players because the boardroom staff tells the manager they have to.
Also, on Mockney's point, the first great "Real" team, when they had Puskas and Di Stefano - I'm not 100% sure of my facts but it was alledged that Di Stefano was on the verge of a move to Barcelona and General Franco interfered to persuade him to join Madrid? - & then Madrid went on to their first "golden" period of domination in Europe.
(I'm not sure if those claims were ever "proved" though.
I don't "hate" Madrid, but there's certainly nothing to "like or love" about them, unless you like playing FM that is. I generally find that most people who have an affection for Madrid, actually does not have any affection for the club, but rather the individual "galacticos" they sign. (& I'm not saying this is the case of the OP though).
Alfredo Di Stefano
(I'm not sure if those claims were ever "proved" though.
I don't "hate" Madrid, but there's certainly nothing to "like or love" about them, unless you like playing FM that is. I generally find that most people who have an affection for Madrid, actually does not have any affection for the club, but rather the individual "galacticos" they sign. (& I'm not saying this is the case of the OP though).
Alfredo Di Stefano
United fans hate Madrid, Arsenal fans hate Barcelona. It's not really hard to figure out why, is it?
Might be simple but that's the basis of so many 'rivalries'. Not real rivalries like United-Liverpool, but ones created by the fans.
Might be simple but that's the basis of so many 'rivalries'. Not real rivalries like United-Liverpool, but ones created by the fans.
Disliking a club is not the same thing as creating a fictitious "rivalry"
I can't fecking stand Millwall because of their fans. They will never be our rivals.
I can't fecking stand Millwall because of their fans. They will never be our rivals.
as has already been mentioned, there is fascism and then the financial cheating with the help of favourable Spanish governments
Do Bayern hate us?
I do ***-like the fact that both Madrid and Barcelona both think they have a god given right to sign every single player they want. They were put out that Arsenal wanted £50m for Fabregas, erm the guy has just signed a 6 year deal and is club captain, what did you expect?!
Having said that, we are exactly the same to clubs in England.
Having said that, we are exactly the same to clubs in England.