Rooney has some cards, not all. If United don't want to sell to a certain club they won't, see Heinze!
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Rooney has some cards, not all. If United don't want to sell to a certain club they won't, see Heinze!
I don't think he'll fancy sitting on the bench till his contract runs out. We'll sell him to anyone but City.
Another manager, and Mancini of all people now coming out and saying Rooney will stay at United....
Mancini: Rooney is a good player but I think he will stay at United
Mancini: Rooney is a good player but I think he will stay at United
Sadly that is the case, United probably are not that innocent either
So Jose and Mancini both saying he's going to stay. Hmm. For the first time now maybe doubts are beginning to enter my mind.
But surely he can't stay with us now after all that happened. Much worse than Rio and the restaurant thing.
But surely he can't stay with us now after all that happened. Much worse than Rio and the restaurant thing.
Mancini: "no contact with Rooney..great player but he is a Man Utd player..not our problem.."
Of course he says that - he cant come out and said Rooney already signed a pre contract and he will buy out his contract...
I dont trust any of these managers, neither any agent
In the modern game it would appear that the player has all the power.
What if Rooney says the only club he wants to join is City?
Goodbye Rooney, hello Torres - Premier League, Soccer - Independent.ie
The Irish think we'll be making a cheeky bid for Torres.
The Irish think we'll be making a cheeky bid for Torres.
He's not going to want to sit in the stands for 18 more months.
Heinze went to Madrid despite being desperate to join Liverpool. The same will happen here.
Think we held more cards in that negotiation
What were we expecting?
Mancini: Fantastic news! I've been tapping him up all summer as well you know!
I sense today is going to be another day of little work getting done and my phone needing charging before I finish!
already a thtread in the Transfer forum
Spanish press reckon that Madrid have known for the past month that something was wrong with Rooney at United, but didn't want to be "used" in a contract negotiation.
Given the money involved Madrid would want to know they'd got rid of at least one and preferably two well-paid players (Benzema / Kaka say, before signing an even higher wage player) - they're more cautious about their wage bill than they are about transfer fees.
I'm also reading that Rooney liked the sound of a move to Spain but Coleen would sooner stay in England - particularly for her sister's sake (she's in hospital). Again, where these rumours come from, I don't know - presumably an English report.
If he did go to Barca, a front line of Villa Rooney Messi with Xavi Cesc and Iniesta is the ultimate FM dream 
That may be to come yet, I want to join .......... , weakening our position again
Oh dear...
Sadly not true, there's no way the Glazers will turn down a bid from City in January if Rooney makes it clear he'll only go to City. United can't afford to lose the £40-50m from Rooney, just to see him mope around OT until 2012 when he can leave on a free
Rooney has some cards, not all. If United don't want to sell to a certain club they won't, see Heinze!
Correct without turning this into another Glazer saga unlike Heinze we cannot afford to let him rot
Now I really wish he goes to Madrid
Seconded
Ah, but we're talking a shedload of money here. We're in no position to put our foot down about letting him join City. If they'll pay and he wants to join 'em, then that's where he'll go. I don't like the idea much either but there's nowt the club can do about it.
Scenario 1 : Roo to Bitters in Jan - Forlan to us in Jan - Torres to Atleti in Jan ,
Torres to us in the summer
Scenario 2: This is a conspiracy - Fergie and Gill have found a buyer for the
Club, but the buyer can't match the Galzers' valuation - good way
to devalue the club ? Destabilise it.......
Fergie/Gill to Roo/Stretford " Let's kick up a fuss about you wanting
to leave us, play along as the bad guy for a while....when the club
has changed hands, we'll reward you in your new contract and
Oscars all round"......
Scenario 3: I'll stop taking the tablets
Torres to us in the summer
Scenario 2: This is a conspiracy - Fergie and Gill have found a buyer for the
Club, but the buyer can't match the Galzers' valuation - good way
to devalue the club ? Destabilise it.......
Fergie/Gill to Roo/Stretford " Let's kick up a fuss about you wanting
to leave us, play along as the bad guy for a while....when the club
has changed hands, we'll reward you in your new contract and
Oscars all round"......
Scenario 3: I'll stop taking the tablets
Plus of course Heinze was worth a lot less
misterredmist, that's like up there with the loon that suggested that Ronaldo got the club to accept an 80 million pound bid from Real so he could go and tell them to feck off in person under the pretense of negotiating personal terms.
That loon may have been me.
Scenario 4 is much more likely: Wayne has thrown his toys out the pram and wants out.
That loon may have been me.
Scenario 4 is much more likely: Wayne has thrown his toys out the pram and wants out.
it all a bit sad debating where rooney will go, i don't care anymore.......
Just watched the Mancini interview. Looked pretty evasive to me. Lying without actually lying.
For example, at the end, the journalist said, "Can you confirm 100% that there has been no contact between Manchester City..." and Mancini replied, "Never, I have never seen him".
I wouldn't expect Mancini himself to be seen with Rooney but a representative speaking to Rooney's agent is another thing entirely.
For example, at the end, the journalist said, "Can you confirm 100% that there has been no contact between Manchester City..." and Mancini replied, "Never, I have never seen him".
I wouldn't expect Mancini himself to be seen with Rooney but a representative speaking to Rooney's agent is another thing entirely.
Absolutely
Mancini thinks he's staying:
In a press conference on Wednesday, Mancini said: "Rooney is a very good player but I think he will stay at United."
In a press conference on Wednesday, Mancini said: "Rooney is a very good player but I think he will stay at United."
Do you really believe that this time?
When a player has his heart set on a move (Ronaldo anyone?) i think you'll find he can go, in Ronaldos case SAF let him go because of the relationship they had/have. In Rooneys case if SAF says no he can just buy out his contract and walk
I can see him gong to City. Money, not having to move house etc.
What fee does eveyone reckon we'll get for him? I don't think we'll get anything over £35m
Thing about not selling to City and only selling abroad is, I'm pretty sure if he goes to Spain he'll be back in England in a year or two anyway. And then he'll go to City.
Just get the best deal we can.
Just get the best deal we can.
Aye that would be the case, our position is weak
Agree. He's not right for Spanish football.
Apologies if already posted, too many pages to wade through, but a good read, don't agree with all of it, but some good points in my opinion.
Heading for exit: Wayne Rooney
Blame the Glazers for Wayne Rooney’s decision to leave Manchester United
James Olley
20.10.10
Those Manchester United supporters looking for a scapegoat as they begin to contemplate life without Wayne Rooney need look no further than the toxic ownership of the Glazer family.
The American businessmen are systematically dismantling everything Sir Alex Ferguson has built in the last 25 years with ruthless precision as they continue unashamedly sacrificing the club's prospects for their own
interests.
United are a well-run club. The fact they have steadily increased turnover despite the global recession is a remarkable feat of business ingenuity.
Malcolm Glazer and his cohorts will have undoubtedly contributed to that but United were expanding just fine on their own until this ginger-haired yankee-doodle turned up at Old Trafford (metaphorically, of course — he wouldn't waste his time actually visiting the place).
The highlight of United's financial results used to be their jostling for position with Real Madrid as the richest club in the world; now huge repayments on loans and dizzying debt figures are the norm.
Of course, United have won the Champions League, three Premier League titles and two League Cups since the Glazers hoisted the American flag in Manchester.
But in hindsight, this success merely staved off questions over their unsustainable business model and reduced the Green and Gold brigade to no
more than an irritating, if sizeable, nuisance.
With first Chelsea and then Manchester City raising the bar with excessive and unqualified expenditure, United have at best been running to stand still.
Those close to the club have seen this situation coming. The decline of their NFL team, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, provides an ominous template for United's future: bought in 1995, Super Bowl champions in 2003, play-offs in 2005 and 2007 before finishing bottom last season winning just three of 16 games.
The Glazers rarely invest in on-pitch talent and don't do big wages. The Bucs are spending significantly less than their competitors — $84million compared to the New Orleans Saints, the highest spenders, who pay $148m.
United's wages sit at under 50 per cent of turnover, which is admirable enough, but the club paid £107m in servicing their bank loans last year which is equivalent to 37 per cent of turnover — how simply that money could otherwise be used.
The days and weeks to come will no doubt bring a more thorough explanation of Rooney's decision but the 24-year-old has watched as the crown jewels have been sold off with little reinvestment.
His departure would be the death knell to the Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney and Carlos Tevez triumvirate that devastated Europe two years ago.
Rooney became the talisman — it is a burden he no longer wishes to carry and the sense of rejection is overwhelming. Ronaldo was a special case given his long-standing desire to play for Real; Rooney has no such motivation and is simply rejecting his present surroundings rather than longing for anywhere else specific.
Rooney's agent, Paul Stretford, has been briefing the media and that is telling in itself.
Stretford was suspended by the Football Association for breaking regulations in procuring Rooney as a client and only returned to work in January, since when he successfully helped the striker escape a £4.3m lawsuit from Proactive over alleged unpaid commission on sponsorship deals.
Stretford, who took Rooney with him when he left Proactive in 2008, is now making up for lost time. It is easy to imagine Rooney's advisers colluding to convince him of a move because one of the best footballers in the world should quite simply earn much more than £90,000 a week.
They know that and so do United. But it equally seems unthinkable that his relationship with Ferguson has deteriorated to the extent claimed, despite the apparent petulance behind Rooney's insistence that he has not been hampered with an ankle injury — he once played virtually an entire season shunted out on the left wing with little complaint.
The Scot has fully supported the Glazers because he has been happy to trade lavish expenditure for complete managerial autonomy. That frugality is now costing United dear as another prize asset wants out.
“We have won 40 major trophies, countless cup finals, a fantastic history, a great stadium, great training arrangements and incredible romance so we can't understand why he wants to leave,” said Ferguson.
The one thing missing from that list is investment in players. Ferguson's declaration that Rooney first revealed his desire to leave on 14 August would date that decision at a few days after the baffling arrival of the unknown Bebe and one day after City spent huge sums on Inter Milan prodigy Mario Balotelli.
It could also be a stipulation from wife Coleen to save their marriage — Rooney had a super injunction on the story for some time and with United players alleged to have held parties facilitating prostitute promiscuity, she may have demanded he move on to extricate himself from that environment.
Personally, Rooney has always struck me as someone whose love of the game stands above all other motivation but his lack of loyalty leaves a sour taste. And perhaps he senses the way the tide is turning in Manchester. After all, (love) rats are first to leave a sinking ship.
Heading for exit: Wayne Rooney
Blame the Glazers for Wayne Rooney’s decision to leave Manchester United
James Olley
20.10.10
Those Manchester United supporters looking for a scapegoat as they begin to contemplate life without Wayne Rooney need look no further than the toxic ownership of the Glazer family.
The American businessmen are systematically dismantling everything Sir Alex Ferguson has built in the last 25 years with ruthless precision as they continue unashamedly sacrificing the club's prospects for their own
interests.
United are a well-run club. The fact they have steadily increased turnover despite the global recession is a remarkable feat of business ingenuity.
Malcolm Glazer and his cohorts will have undoubtedly contributed to that but United were expanding just fine on their own until this ginger-haired yankee-doodle turned up at Old Trafford (metaphorically, of course — he wouldn't waste his time actually visiting the place).
The highlight of United's financial results used to be their jostling for position with Real Madrid as the richest club in the world; now huge repayments on loans and dizzying debt figures are the norm.
Of course, United have won the Champions League, three Premier League titles and two League Cups since the Glazers hoisted the American flag in Manchester.
But in hindsight, this success merely staved off questions over their unsustainable business model and reduced the Green and Gold brigade to no
more than an irritating, if sizeable, nuisance.
With first Chelsea and then Manchester City raising the bar with excessive and unqualified expenditure, United have at best been running to stand still.
Those close to the club have seen this situation coming. The decline of their NFL team, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, provides an ominous template for United's future: bought in 1995, Super Bowl champions in 2003, play-offs in 2005 and 2007 before finishing bottom last season winning just three of 16 games.
The Glazers rarely invest in on-pitch talent and don't do big wages. The Bucs are spending significantly less than their competitors — $84million compared to the New Orleans Saints, the highest spenders, who pay $148m.
United's wages sit at under 50 per cent of turnover, which is admirable enough, but the club paid £107m in servicing their bank loans last year which is equivalent to 37 per cent of turnover — how simply that money could otherwise be used.
The days and weeks to come will no doubt bring a more thorough explanation of Rooney's decision but the 24-year-old has watched as the crown jewels have been sold off with little reinvestment.
His departure would be the death knell to the Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney and Carlos Tevez triumvirate that devastated Europe two years ago.
Rooney became the talisman — it is a burden he no longer wishes to carry and the sense of rejection is overwhelming. Ronaldo was a special case given his long-standing desire to play for Real; Rooney has no such motivation and is simply rejecting his present surroundings rather than longing for anywhere else specific.
Rooney's agent, Paul Stretford, has been briefing the media and that is telling in itself.
Stretford was suspended by the Football Association for breaking regulations in procuring Rooney as a client and only returned to work in January, since when he successfully helped the striker escape a £4.3m lawsuit from Proactive over alleged unpaid commission on sponsorship deals.
Stretford, who took Rooney with him when he left Proactive in 2008, is now making up for lost time. It is easy to imagine Rooney's advisers colluding to convince him of a move because one of the best footballers in the world should quite simply earn much more than £90,000 a week.
They know that and so do United. But it equally seems unthinkable that his relationship with Ferguson has deteriorated to the extent claimed, despite the apparent petulance behind Rooney's insistence that he has not been hampered with an ankle injury — he once played virtually an entire season shunted out on the left wing with little complaint.
The Scot has fully supported the Glazers because he has been happy to trade lavish expenditure for complete managerial autonomy. That frugality is now costing United dear as another prize asset wants out.
“We have won 40 major trophies, countless cup finals, a fantastic history, a great stadium, great training arrangements and incredible romance so we can't understand why he wants to leave,” said Ferguson.
The one thing missing from that list is investment in players. Ferguson's declaration that Rooney first revealed his desire to leave on 14 August would date that decision at a few days after the baffling arrival of the unknown Bebe and one day after City spent huge sums on Inter Milan prodigy Mario Balotelli.
It could also be a stipulation from wife Coleen to save their marriage — Rooney had a super injunction on the story for some time and with United players alleged to have held parties facilitating prostitute promiscuity, she may have demanded he move on to extricate himself from that environment.
Personally, Rooney has always struck me as someone whose love of the game stands above all other motivation but his lack of loyalty leaves a sour taste. And perhaps he senses the way the tide is turning in Manchester. After all, (love) rats are first to leave a sinking ship.