MERGED: Rooney signs new contract!

Crerand Legend said:
All hail the Glazer's, saviours of our football club
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Yeah thats what I said. :wenger:

This is the Manchester United Supporters Trust. It speaks on our behalf. How many of us United fans right now are sympathising with Rooney because his "ambition is clearly not met by the Glazers".

Sorry but that is an appaling statement. It's almost asking the Glazer's to pander to this fat scouse twat and offer him the obscene money City will offer him.

This club isn't about money, it's about tradition, history, football, respect and loyalty. All things Rooney seems to have forgotton.

Yet the Supporters Trust I used to be a member of can only use this dreadful moment to take a cheap shot at the Glazers and condone Rooney's actions. Condone Rooney spitting in the face of every supporter that has ever sung his name, bought his shirt, paid his wages and genuinely loved him.

It's a sad day.

charleysurf said:
Well, lets face it, this is all manna from heaven for certain people. Anything that goes wrong at United has a silver lining for them: it can be spun their direction and they can get their name in the papers.

Christ, if they really want Rooney as their poster boy then good luck to them.
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Exactly.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
As Jase said Chelsea aren't exactly splashing the cash thesedays. It's simple really, money can buy you any player....just look at City...snaring our best. But Chelsea are definitely not on the up as such. In fact our top four clubs are looking significantly weaker than they did a few seasons ago.
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Chelsea did splash the cash to prevent City stealing Terry and Madrid grabbing Lampard though. Huge contracts offered to keep their stars.

The worry is we did not with Rooney and so obviously we will not replace with another world star who would want the same kind of money.
 
Altough I hate Glizers very much, I do believe that they have nothing to do with Wayne Rooney wanting out of Old Trafford.. And the lack of ambition is such a stupid word if you put it next to United.. You can say that to Arsenal or Liverpool... But to United is just stupid... I do believe that Rooney wants out of United maybe because of Ferguson or maybe because of his wife... Or maybe because of wanting fresh start oit of England borders.. I doubt that Rooney will sign for other english club and I do belive that if he leave he will leave for Real Madrid... Out of that deal the best option for United will be taking Kaka... Other solution is Benzema but I will never forget him for saying "I didnt want to go to manchester united". Another thing.... I would like to say bravo to Mourinho for his saying on this matter...
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
If he wanted to he could've gone and done a City this summer in an attempt to capture the European Cup. But he hasn't. I think he's feeling the pinch as much as anyone.
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Well, he has taken a hit in the financial crisis, but he's still got tons of money. And he has spent something like 17m on Ramires and was willing to pay top dollar for Neymar.

Chelsea don't need to spend like City. And Abramovich may well have learned from his Shevchenko fiasco that spending tons of money on big players does not guarentee an already excellent team will be better.
 
DFreshKing said:
Chelsea did splash the cash to prevent City stealing Terry and Madrid grabbing Lampard though. Huge contracts offered to keep their stars.

The worry is we did not with Rooney and so obviously we will not replace with another world star who would want the same kind of money.
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We weren't allowed to with Rooney.

As has been reported a million times, and as Fergie said himself, they refused to even look at the offer.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
We weren't allowed to with Rooney.

As has been reported a million times, and as Fergie said himself, they refused to even look at the offer.
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Lets hear both sides of that debate, remember he actually said he does not know why Rooney wants to leave, you don't think he asked?

Money may not be the reason but I think its naive to assume it can't be because of that interview.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
If he wanted to he could've gone and done a City this summer in an attempt to capture the European Cup. But he hasn't. I think he's feeling the pinch as much as anyone.
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Yeah he's feelin the pinch alright - the fecker has Subordinated Bonds worth €80 million or so with Irish Nationwide building society, and had an interest rate of 13% - but it was a high risk investment & he'd lose his loot if Ireland's banking system went tits up.

Well the banks & the economy did go tits up & he's lost pretty much all his investment, bar a few million because of the losses the Irish Nationwide incurred, but the cnut's suing the Irish Government for his loot back - he hasnt a chance, but the fecking cheek of the cnut. He knew his investment would be a risk if Irish Nationwide should get hit from the shit coming off the fan. feck him & the rest of these unknown Bondholders :mad:
 
DFreshKing said:
Lets hear both sides of that debate, remember he actually said he does not know why Rooney wants to leave, you don't think he asked?

Money may not be the reason but I think its naive to assume it can't be because of that interview.
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On the contrary, I think it shows he's had his head turned by insane money elsewhere that he knows no sane business will match, Glazers or not.
 
Feed Me said:
Regarding our own position - this is a massive moment. Rooney leaving doesn't mire us in crisis. But the failure to replace him most certainly will. If we do this cleverly, then we can get £50m for him. That would give us some decent ammo in the transfer market.

Surely the Glazers aren't going to neglect their business by failing to re-generate the playing squad?

Chelsea haven't really been in the market for bug money signings for about three years. They've been all about the organic growth. There's been a lot of talk of your Neymars and Torres' but nothing has materialised. They're being pretty much run as we always were - prudently, but with the ability to splash out £30m on that marquee signing...

But my point stands - in a year or two, they're going to get to the point where people talk about needing to replace to core of their team and that won't be an easy task.
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Didn't you hear? We already have 150 million in the bank just waiting to be spent! :lol:
 
Mancini now denying City have been in contact and says he expects Rooney to stay at United. Maybe other clubs just don't want this lunatic? I wouldn't surprise me one bit if he says, breaks our wage structure and ends up being the target of Gerrard like stick around badge kissing. I'm not even sure I want him around anymore...
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
If he wanted to he could've gone and done a City this summer in an attempt to capture the European Cup. But he hasn't. I think he's feeling the pinch as much as anyone.
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Exactly. I don't understand why the tabloids keep linking Chelsea to these big big money transfers anymore. It's been ages since they last splashed out. They don't do those big transfers anymore.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Yeah he's feelin the pinch alright - the fecker has Subordinated Bonds worth €80 million or so with Irish Nationwide building society, and had an interest rate of 13% - but it was a high risk investment & he'd lose his loot if Ireland's banking system went tits up.

Well the banks & the economy did go tits up & he's lost pretty much all his investment, bar a few million because of the losses the Irish Nationwide incurred, but the cnut's suing the Irish Government for his loot back - he hasnt a chance, but the fecking cheek of the cnut. He knew his investment would be a risk if Irish Nationwide should get hit from the shit coming off the fan. feck him & the rest of these unknown Bondholders :mad:
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That is a revelation RHD
 
Rory 7 said:
Mancini now denying City have been in contact and says he expects Rooney to stay at United. Maybe other clubs just don't want this lunatic? I wouldn't surprise me one bit if he says, breaks our wage structure and ends up being the target of Gerrard like stick around badge kissing. I'm not even sure I want him around anymore...
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Why show their hand now? Wait until January, when United have had a couple more months of Rooney destroying morale, and then maybe United will be desperate enough to take whatever piddling amount that City will offer.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
On the contrary, I think it shows he's had his head turned by insane money elsewhere that he knows no sane business will match, Glazers or not.
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Fair enough but that does contradict the fact we have not offered him terms to turn down.

The signing on fee is the main difference even if wages were the same. I don't think we are going to be getting this big transfer fee a lot are talking about.

Most of any fee will be taken by Rooney and his agent. The threat of buying out his contract in 6 months gives him the bargaining chip.

We may get £20m-£30m for him but I doubt we will see more than £10m net after everyone has had a slice.
 
charleysurf said:
So MUSTs position is that Rooney is leaving because of 'lack of ambition' at the club. And not because he wants 300k a week.

Right.
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MUST's statement is a complete joke. I support their cause and want the Glazers out, but statements like that are fecking ridiculous, counter productive and only go to lowering their credibility. Utter myopicness.
 
charleysurf said:
Why show their hand now? Wait until January, when United have had a couple more months of Rooney destroying morale, and then maybe United will be desperate enough to take whatever piddling amount that City will offer.
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Anything but City please :nervous:
 
Mockney said:
MUST's statement is a complete joke. I support their cause and want the Glazers out, but statements like that are fecking ridiculous, counter productive and only go to lowering their credibility. Utter myopicness.
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Spot on.

Also anyone pegging this on the Glazers is an idiot.

When we can't afford a decent replacement... then they can whinge away.
 
Chelsea are no longer in the market the way they were when Roman first arrived. What he did is what City are doing now. He put in enormous cash to take Chelsea from where they were to where they wanted to be (where they are now - regularly winning silverware).

Now though, he is much more "hands off" as he wants to see Chelsea stand on it's own two feet and run within its means. Not only has the transfer budget been heavily curtailed in recent years but they are currently actively trying to get their wage bill down.

The challenge for Chelsea now is if they can make the transition between old-squad to new-squad without relying on Roman's cheque-book. I must admit, it is a nice situation that they have where, if things really do look dodgy, they have an owner they can fall back on for a swift £30m or something but the FFP Regulations will hopefully take this power out of his hands.

What City are doing is on a different scale purely because they started from a lower base than Chelsea (Chelsea were winning things before Roman came along) and so the need for rapid investment has been greater.

We can only hope that at some point in the future, Mansour takes a similar view to Roman and stands back a bit and asks that the club stands on it's own two feet.

Failing this then I only hope that the FFP Regulations completely screw City. They are just playing stupid games at the moment and it can't be allowed to go on. It is making a mockery of football and those trying to do things in the right way, in my opinion.

It is like playing one of those Football Manager type games on the computer where you're supposed to build your team by being savvy in the market using the funds you are able to generate from "normal" revenue streams but you have a cheat code that enables you to have an extra £300million in your bank account each season. Pointless.
 
DFreshKing said:
Fair enough but that does contradict the fact we have not offered him terms to turn down.

The signing on fee is the main difference even if wages were the same. I don't think we are going to be getting this big transfer fee a lot are talking about.

Most of any fee will be taken by Rooney and his agent. The threat of buying out his contract in 6 months gives him the bargaining chip.

We may get £20m-£30m for him but I doubt we will see more than £10m net after everyone has had a slice.
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We put the deal on the table and he essentially refused to even look at it.
 
By the way, by my reckoning we should have at least £50million plus whatever we get from the sale of Rooney to spend in January or next summer.

Money is definitely there to spend.
 
R_Nick said:
Take it to the relevant thread you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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They found out he was quitting on August 14th just around the time they were telling us that there was 150m in the bank just waiting to be spent on the right players- and as I recall the transfer window was still open at that time?
So with that knowledge and the time to act why didn't they? But oh! I forgot- there was no value in the market- well now they're fecked because 1. there's still 'no value in the market' and 2. they won't want to come here if there was.
 
Solius said:
I had a dream I bumped into him in a lift and he told me he was leaving because of Colleen. I stressed how horrific it would be if he went to another English club. The the lift then turned see through and Kolo Toure was standing on a rising block outside the lift til he hit his head on a metal bar. By that time Rooney had disappeared too and the lift I was in had turned into a load of signs advertising cereal, I fell down to the floor and walked off.
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:lol::lol:
 
I think this situation has pushed a lot of issues up to the fore-front of the club. If we don't spend a decent amount of cash then it would be an indication that we are in trouble in a business sense but the Glazers are smart and I think they realise they could win people over by opening the check book(sadly this is true) and also strengthen the club financially by keeping it competitive trophy wise.
 
Rossi19 said:
Spot on.

Also anyone pegging this on the Glazers is an idiot.

When we can't afford a decent replacement... then they can whinge away.
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It' just completely the wrong time. It's like a fanatically religious person lecturing you on Gods plan just after a relative's died (or for that matter an Atheist reminding you to not lose sight of the fact there is no Afterlife)....Yeah, you have an agenda, we get it, but this isn't the right time or place to try and force your singular objective into the spotlight. Spastics.
 
TheMancRedDevil said:
By the way, by my reckoning we should have at least £50million plus whatever we get from the sale of Rooney to spend in January or next summer.

Money is definitely there to spend.
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problem is the money will only be used to service the debts.and fergie will then said there is no value in the market.....
 
robertsoncrusoe said:
They found out he was quitting on August 14th just around the time they were telling us that there was 150m in the bank just waiting to be spent on the right players- and as I recall the transfer window was still open at that time?
So with that knowledge and the time to act why didn't they? But oh! I forgot- there was no value in the market- well now they're fecked because 1. there's still 'no value in the market' and 2. they won't want to come here if there was.
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Mockney said:
It' just completely the wrong time. It's like a fanatically religious person lecturing you on Gods plan just after a relative's died (or for that matter an Atheist reminding you to not lose sight of the fact there is no Afterlife)....Yeah, you have an agenda, we get it, this isn't the right time or place to try and force your singular objective into the spotlight. Spatics.
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Mockney said:
It' just completely the wrong time. It's like a fanatically religious person lecturing you on Gods plan just after a relative's died (or for that matter an Atheist reminding you to not lose sight of the fact there is no Afterlife)....Yeah, you have an agenda, we get it, this isn't the right time or place to try and force your singular objective into the spotlight. Spatics.
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Admittedly they lost all credibility with me a long time ago, and I simply don't trust them (I wish I could but I don't feel that I can), but I agree.

That's a fantastic analogy for it, too.

But then it is unwise to trust fanatics in general.
 
Mockney said:
MUST's statement is a complete joke. I support their cause and want the Glazers out, but statements like that are fecking ridiculous, counter productive and only go to lowering their credibility. Utter myopicness.
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I couldn't agree more. It really is small mindedness. Cheap tactic.
 
Mockney said:
MUST's statement is a complete joke. I support their cause and want the Glazers out, but statements like that are fecking ridiculous, counter productive and only go to lowering their credibility. Utter myopicness.
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myopia
 
So at this point, I'm pretty certain it's Chelsea with the verbal commitment, not City. The timing just makes sense for it to be Chelsea really.

-World Cup with Terry, Lamps and Cashley.....like as if Barry and Shauny are going to be convincing him to cross over to City, if they got Gerrard or something, I could buy it maybe.

-They drop out of the Aguero signing, who pretty plays a similar natural game to Rooney, except not as committed, and doesn't know English.

8/1 as well, sounds like it's worth £50 to me. -_-
 
Kelvin said:
problem is the money will only be used to service the debts.and fergie will then said there is no value in the market.....
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Well, we can take it to the Glazer thread if you want but I can state with absolute certainty that the money that it is in the bank cannot ALL be taken by the Glazers.

Value or no value, even Fergie won't be able to hide behind that one anymore if Rooney goes and Scholes/Giggs/VDS and Neville retire. Money will be there in the bank with no other use than to be spent on players.

Money will HAVE to be spent and I am just trying to reassure people that money IS there. We obviously need to get the best possible deal from the sale of Rooney though to boost the coffers.
 
robertsoncrusoe said:
Didn't you hear? We already have 150 million in the bank just waiting to be spent! :lol:
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It all comes down to whether the Glazers are prepared to let their asset go down the swanny. A poor team isn't part of their business plan.

Maybe they felt that they could get by without having to replace Ronaldo - to an extent we have. But I doubt they'll not replace Rooney.
 
The frustrating thing is, this saga is far from over. We'll come to a conclusion but there is so much going on, that its hard to really see where any of this will end. With every dog and his master now knowing what the feck is going on, there will be pressure from everywhere on Rooney. He dug himself a hole, now he has to live in it. Prior to yesterday he didn't have the likes of Rio and co baring down on him and it was much more of a private issue but thats all gone.

Its time Rooney grew up and looked at his situation properly, not just as an immature little boy. Talk to Becks, talk to Giggs, talk to people that want whats best for him in a personal stance rather then financial. Wayne can come back from this but he has to grow up before its too late.


As a United fan I want whats best for our team and our players. At the current point in time Rooney is our player and I don't want to see him piss his career down the drain because he doesn't feel his pay check is high enough. There is much more to life then a big bank account.
 
You have to run it as a business in any case, there is no justification for giving Rooney £200k or £300k.

We literally couldn't anyway, especially if players still have a matching biggest earner clause.

We are just going have to develop or buy his replacement, but I would get him as far away from the squad as possible, he has caused enough friction for now.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
Admittedly they lost all credibility with me a long time ago, and I simply don't trust them (I wish I could but I don't feel that I can), but I agree.

That's a fantastic analogy for it, too.

But then it is unwise to trust fanatics in general.
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We're very much in the same boat.

When they took it upon themselves to start working alongside The Red Knights in order to get a "fans takeover" I questioned the motives.

Now for legal reason's as I know it could get me and this board in trouble with their lawyers, if that was taken as me suggesting that people high up in MUST are looking to someway profit from this situation, that is not what I'm suggesting. I'm simply suggesting that in some situations it can be difficult to seperate business from a non-profitable organisation and the two linked together rarely work well together.
 
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