They've spent plenty the last few years. They're cutting down on wages massively though, and there squad is weak as well. When you're reigning champions though it doesn't look as bad.
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They've spent plenty the last few years. They're cutting down on wages massively though, and there squad is weak as well. When you're reigning champions though it doesn't look as bad.
For the third time today:
FAO all those saying that we've got no money, consider my post to ralphie yesterday...
Believe it or not (most of you wont) but there is already plenty of money there to be spent and it makes solid business sense to spend it wisely with healthy investment in the playing squad. Do not let our transfer activity over the last twelve months fool you; United are far from b.eing skint
FAO all those saying that we've got no money, consider my post to ralphie yesterday...
ciderman said:
ralphie said:
ciderman said:
Believe it or not (most of you wont) but there is already plenty of money there to be spent and it makes solid business sense to spend it wisely with healthy investment in the playing squad. Do not let our transfer activity over the last twelve months fool you; United are far from b.eing skint
We won't big signing any big name players because we won't be able to do that with money we will receive from Rooney transfer. Seeing as next Summer he'll only have a year left on his deal I'd say we'll fetch £30m tops for him and that might not even get you the likes of Hamsik or Pastore in the current market.
Jesus, you knew there would be muppets who would seize on this. It was such an obvious move by Stretford to try and justify the greed, but I'm still amazed they went that far.
Wayne Rooney does not care one jot about Manchester United.
Wayne Rooney does not care one jot about Manchester United.
Yeah, except Berbatov and Valencia. £48m between them.
edit.
Just noticed you already know about Berba and you're still moaning
Valencia & Berba are not world class.
Sorry
We're signing average players and not in the same league as Real Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, Man City
We're fighting it out for the players those clubs do not want.
No other way of looking at it. Glazers are taking far too much money out of the club
Ungrateful cnut! Go feck yourself, I hope your balls fall off and break your toes
The hole Rooney will leave will take years to fill and anyone who says other wise is talking out of their red tinted arse. A full boycott of games from all fans is the only way we can get the Glazers out. I dont see how this could be a bad idea in a season when we will struggle to win anything anyways.Better this season to boycott than to wait until we have a better team as nobody will boycott when we are playing well
Yes it makes sense for the squad to be healthy. I imagine the squad will be competitive all the times under Glazer. What I doubt is we'll have the freedom or the money to push on to the top of the pile. With Liverpool out of the picture, we should be a shoe in for top 4 for a while, and I imagine the Glazers would be happy with that.
How does such a conversation with Gill go anyway? Will we sign Kaka, Ronaldo, Buffon and Ibrahimovic tomorrow?
It's all down to the manager. We have never had any signing galore like City or Chelsea did.
We actually have an ok squad bar a couple of midfielders (let's not discuss it here). I don't get it.
It's all down to the manager. We have never had any signing galore like City or Chelsea did.
We actually have an ok squad bar a couple of midfielders (let's not discuss it here). I don't get it.
Shhh, you and all your facts and sense, you. Don't you realise that all is rosy at Old Trafford, the sun shines out of Malcolm's arse, and there is loads of money to spend on player's SAF would like?
I know full well what's gone on, the instructions have come from the top to keep our wage outgoings below 50% of our annual turnover, this means big signings with the obligatory big wages are a thing of the past. It means SAF has been forced to sign young, more unproven player's on lower wages, this and re-sale potential are the main criteria for player recruitment these days rather than quality and proven ability. Sad but true.
Glazer's are slowly dragging this club down due to sheer weight of debt humped onto our shoulders
And Gill told all this to Wayne Rooney, did he? feck off.
Valencia and Berba are certainly good enough though. A team can be the best in the world without having one world class player (although that is very rare)
We don't need to spend what those clubs are doing .As a matter of fact the players who those clubs don't want are sometimes some of the best we've signed.
We just need continual investment, and assurances that money will be put into the club. Something Rooney SAYS he doesn't feel.
Van Nistelrooy was the equivalent of us now signing Dzeko, Hargreaves is Barry, Berbatov was bought from Spurs and only his price tag really sets him apart. Ferdinand and Rooney were both young english talents, far from established names. Ronaldo was a nobody, Keane was a promising youngster at Forest, Ryan Wilson was a child who looked like he could snap at any minute, Vidic was a promising young CB in Russia, Evra was that lunatic at Marseille, Cantona was a misfit at Leeds, Robson was destined for greatness but was still only at West Brom, McGrath was a scruffy Irish kid playing for his local club in Dublin, Law was an exciting young talent in Italy, Duncan Edwards, who I'm upset at having to include in a post referencing Wayne fecking Rooney, was impressing for an England Schools XI, Bobby Charlton was playing for East Northumberland Schools and so on and so on.
Veron is literally the only example, and he was a disaster. Manchester United's tradition is to gather the promising young players (late teens, early twenties) from across the land, and latterly the world, and turn them into greats. That's who we are, big name signings, global superstars, galacticos, have never been in our DNA. We don't buy legends, we make them, and this waste of flesh and talent's ignorance of our history is only slightly less disgusting than those fans who are willing to listen to his drivel.
Rooney is a fecking liar, who has effectively called time on his Manchester United career two months into a season. It is utterly without precedent, it is the most disgraceful act in my twenty years as a fan, and anyone who takes his side can go to hell.
We have never been able to compete financially with Barca and Real. And regardless of who owned the club we wouldn't be able to compete with City or Chelsea. Nor have we ever really signed any top names or top world class players. We use our money to buy prospects who we develop into world class players. That has always been the case- and Rooney is an example of that.
You don't need to be told or to be a financial mastermind to work it out. The reason why a raft of young, and in some cases very raw, unproven player's have arrived with NO experienced, proven talent to supplement that aswell as fill gaps still present in the team 18 months on, is simply because of the reason I stated and what your responding to.
I'm not taking his side. I think he's a cock for what he's done. What I can say is it's not surprising, and it's fecking horrifying what he's saying.
An absolutely brilliant post, so elegantly encapsulating the essence of my thoughts about the OP, Rooney, Rooney's agent, a wide assortment of journalists, Garry Cook, Brian Marwood and the world's population in general (honourable mention going to the massives supporting part of humanity).
If Rooney's public relations team somehow manages to make this about the Glazers and 'Thankyou Wayne, now maybe others will open their eyes' I will lose my last shred of hope for humanity.
As staunchly anti-Glazer from day one I'll regard it as a personal insult.
We'll see - I don't see one World Class player at United at present
Rooney says what his agent tells him to say; in fact, Rooney didn't write that statement, did he? His agent wrote it. He's not going to say that he's leaving because he's a greedy, disloyal twat, is he? No, so he says this tabloid-friendly bollocks instead.
United will prove the cnut wrong.
feck it, I don't see many world class players at Inter or Bayern and they're loving life.
This was something I felt might happen when we didn't buy big after Ronaldo, can't really blame him, Fergie said our contract offer would not be matched by anyone else and many financial writers have said he will lose considerable marquee image rights value by leaving the worlds most famous club.
Jesus, you've been like a dog with two dicks ever since this started. I have serious doubts about your motivations.
I fecking hope we do. I really hope we do. Because we're backs against the wall, up shit creek no hoping team at the moment.
But we've been here before and carried through it.
There just wasn't so much money involved before.
He's fecking lying you daft gimp. The best player he has ever had the fortune to grace a pitch with was a 12 million quid lanky streak of piss from Sporting Lisbon. What does Rooney know about a sound transfer policy? About as much as he does about our history probably. I don't remember this being a problem during his first seasons when we were far worse than we are now and spent even less.
Cesar, Maicon, Lucio, Eto'o, Sneijder are what I'd describe as top class at Inter.
Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribery, Muller(going to be) are player's I'd describe of the same calibre at Bayern.
Us assuming Rooney is gone? Vidic, Nani(going to be)...then we're scrapping the barrell.
By the way, owe you an apology for the other night, looks like you were right. Not completely, but you were right.
Nani (No)
Berbatov (no)
Scholes (retiring
Giggs (Retiring)
Evra (Our best player)
Vidic (No)
Valencia (No)
Ferdinand (No)
Berbatov (no)
Scholes (retiring
Giggs (Retiring)
Evra (Our best player)
Vidic (No)
Valencia (No)
Ferdinand (No)
you are not the only one...I would have pulled up my post from that thread, but it was locked.
Not so much an apology, because I didn't think it was impossible or a lie, but I very very skeptical of the initial reports.
Obviously they were right with the most important fact, Rooney wants out, though the reasons cited were incorrect.
Oh, come on. Get real and look at player's without red tinted specs.
Berbatov-A couple of good games after a two year hiatus don't make you world-class.
Nani-Going to be.
Scholes-Was a few years ago, now? No, has been found out in high intensity games over last few seasons.
Giggs-No, not even when he won POTY the other year.
Evra-Yes, although he looks a shadow of himself at the minute.
Vidic-Yup, superb, only undisputed world-class player we have IMO.
Valencia-
Good player? Yes. World-class? Nowhere near.Ferdinand-Past his best, can't be relied on fitness-wise either.
Can we not turn this into a muppet thread with "So and So is world class, so and so isn't world class"
So Cesar's world class but VDS isn't? Eto'o's world class but Berbatov isn't? Robben's world class but Valencia isn't? Lahm's word class but Evra isn't? Sneijder's world class but Scholes isn't?
feck off.
About what? My memory is pathetic...
I think the Champions League exit was the tipping point in Rooney's career at United.
The fact we needed a limping Rooney to play against Bayern must have swayed his mind. Whether he's bitter that him playing had aggravated his ankle injury till now or not, only he knows.
The fact we needed a limping Rooney to play against Bayern must have swayed his mind. Whether he's bitter that him playing had aggravated his ankle injury till now or not, only he knows.
VDS is 40 and not around much longer.
As for the rest of them...
You either seriously overrate our player's or underrate Inter and Bayern's.Tell me when Berba scores decisive goals in 2 CL final's, win's his league's top scorer multiple times, and I'll admit he's on a par. Until then, jog on.
Evra and Lahm about equal, Lahm on current form is a million miles ahead of Pat.
Scholes over Sneijder? 6-7 years ago, yes. Now? No, not even close.
As for Valencia over Robben, just have word with yourself will you? The day Valencia drags his team to a CL final like Robben did is the day Gary Neville professes his love for all things Scouse.
Whether he has a point or not it's a huge lack of any loyalty from Rooney.
Manchester United broke the British Transfer Record 5 times between 1993 and 2002.
So you don't think Rooney would have done everything to play that game, including playing half-injured ?
Because Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal went out and bought quality players after the World Cup. Give me a break, this is purely based on money and how anyone can say differently is plain ignorant.
We've had a decent start to the season, a few lapses in concentration but overall we're still up there. Our squad is gelling better, we have some exciting young talent - Rooney has just lost his love for the game. When was the last time he looked happy playing?
there's an element of truth in what he says - we obviously as a result of the glazers are unable to compete with european giants in the transfer market
value is a word that was added to our vocabulary about 3 years ago and since then we've missed out on top players
an obvious example was settling for Michael Owen after Tevez left
at the same time i would have expected rooney to have shown some loyalty - we viewed him like giggs/scholes and thought he would be the heartbeat and a leader of the team for the next 10 years
for loyalty rooney should look at the likes of buffon/del piero who stayed with juve despite relegation
I'm still very very disappointed by rooney - we will be fecked in my opinion though until we get the glazers out - hopefully things like this can destabilise the club and maybe even prompt a sale.....
we've never had a problem attracting top players as a club - a debt free manchester united can actually afford them though
value is a word that was added to our vocabulary about 3 years ago and since then we've missed out on top players
an obvious example was settling for Michael Owen after Tevez left
at the same time i would have expected rooney to have shown some loyalty - we viewed him like giggs/scholes and thought he would be the heartbeat and a leader of the team for the next 10 years
for loyalty rooney should look at the likes of buffon/del piero who stayed with juve despite relegation
I'm still very very disappointed by rooney - we will be fecked in my opinion though until we get the glazers out - hopefully things like this can destabilise the club and maybe even prompt a sale.....
we've never had a problem attracting top players as a club - a debt free manchester united can actually afford them though