Provided no interference from the top comes in like at Chelsea, I'd say a fairly long time. It'll be his longest job in football, no doubt about that.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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Provided no interference from the top comes in like at Chelsea, I'd say a fairly long time. It'll be his longest job in football, no doubt about that.
How on earth can there be 'no doubt about that'?
It's bizarre how people seem to have mapped out our future under Mourinho before he's even been offered the job or indeed accepted it.
I've not mapped anything.
I can say with near certainty that his next job in England, whether it be with United, City, Liverpool or anybody else, will be a long-term one. As has been said countless times before, the only job after his next one in England he's stated he wants is the Portugal one. He has said he does not want to manage Barcelona, so once he leaves Madrid there's nowhere else for him in Spain. I doubt he will go back to Italy as he told us on numerous occassions he hated it there. Can't see him managing in Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga, or going back to Portugal. He's also said he only wants to manage the Portugese national team when he's 60. So if he came to England and left after a couple of years, where would he go?
Do you think were it not for Abramovich interfering and bringing in Director's of Football against Mourinho's wishes he'd have left so suddenly?
That does seem like mapping, to be fair.
I bet you've been disgusted with our CL away performances in the last few years. Horrible, negative, dull football.
probobly only Mario Gomez if the reports are correct
I dont think David Moyes is ready for Man Utd. Jose would be ideal but for some reason doubt it will happen
Elvis has it all mapped out. It will definitely happen.
Yes, as the team was on a downward slope and the money had dried up
(See Inter Milan)
Money had dried up? A season before he left they spent 30million on that useless waste of space striker: shevchenko. I agree with Elvis, if Abram hadn't got involved, he'd have stayed. Which is just as well he left because he seemed to be able to get the most out of Terry/Lampard/Drogba.
He wore the team out with that treble win, this seasons demise is all his fault for working them too hard.
Pretty much this.(I know you were joking) He does do exceptional work with his players, but he didn't rotate and this year it's showing. The amount of injuries which are piling up and the fact Sjnieder has anaemia could be argued to be as a result of his run.
They don't have any money this year. Do you honestly think that's a coincidence than Jose left at the same time. Whereas he is the best at getting the best he can out of his players, I don't think he's ever thought long term, or developed a team for the long term. He's never stayed at a job long enough, and all the big clubs he's been at had relatively worse seasons for the two years after he left, we've yet to see how Inter cope, but he left an aging defensive line, no money and a knackered squad. At Chelsea he never seemed to bring through any young players, and once it started to go a bit pear shaped he jumped first chance he could get.
I couldn't be any less bothered about his start with Real in the league this year. Any competent manager with that squad and so much money could do what they're doing. We all know he won't be at Madrid in three years for one reason or another I can't wait to see what the excuse is this time.
Yeah, he was ok when they were spending massive amounts on Shev and Ballack. Once he got told to reign it in a bit, he soon scarpered.
Ahh right I see now, it's José's fault there was a world cup and players weren't given a break over pre season (after he had left)
Yes, because they were clearly his signings...
How can Benitez rest players for pre season? How would they then be fit for the start of the new season? Sjnieder is essential to Inter and he played over 60 games last year and up until the WC final, he's knackered, put the same WS in Jose's team last year and they wouldn't have won anywhere near as much.
It's not Jose's fault there was a WC, but it's certainly his fault that in the first season in a while when there's no money and he'd have to deal with this, he's scarpered. It's certainly his fault he's never carried on at a club for over 3 years.
And whilst they weren't his signings, he was happy to spend a year when they were there wasn't he. It's not like he was complaining when one of the best strikers and midfielders in the world were signed for him.
I am starting to warm for Mourinho. I think he's learning how to nurture young talent and seems to have a more attacking approach nowadays
This is really really delusional.
We rested players over pre season as did Real, and barring Rooney not one player is struggling, coincidence? Well it must be, it's in José's favour!
He announced he was leaving as soon as the Madrid job came up, at the time there was no mention of a lack of funds, but he still went to Madrid (a job that it has been clear over and over that he wanted) and spent modest sums on the likes of Carvalho (6.7M), Khedira (15M), Ózil (similar) and Pedro Leon (8M) so where is the money?
I could be wrong but i don't think you can get anaemia from playing too many football games in a row...
Modest sums? Is 45 million really modest?
And not one player is struggling? We didn't have anyone who went as far in the World Cup, but if you think Evra wasn't struggling I don't know who you were watching. As a matter of fact our early season best performers Scholes, Berbatov and Nani didn't play at the world Cup. It can't be over emphasised how hard it is.
And do you not think Mourinho knew there wasn't funds at Inter? He would have known what Moratti wanted to spend, and we know he wanted to leave.
Mourinho is a great manager. I don't particually care about his style, I don't particually care about him bringing young players through, he seems to sometimes do both depending on circumstance.
What I do mind is the fact
a) He seems to need a LOT of money to thrive wherever he goes, his big signings often flop and he has never had a job where he has had to look for more value signings.
b) He has never rebuilt a team. He's always arrived, spent a lot of money, done well first season, better the second and then left. Major questionmarks have to be asked over whether he knows how to compete at the top over a longer period, and whether he has the ability to constantly remake a team over "the three year cycle". I don't fancy a few years in desolation after Mourinho inevitably leaves.
I think a lot of that is fair whack to be honest. And to be honest how much say has he really had in any of his transfers? Real, Inter and at evident times Chelsea, mourinho wasn't the one doing the buying by most accounts. How is he when given full license in the transfer market? How will he cope staying at one club for 10 years? will he bring any youngsters through? What state does he leave clubs in after he leaves? If he hits hard times will he just up and leave?
There are a lot of questions around him, proper doubts which should be asked in terms of him getting hired here. If we were to come up with a list of what is needed for a successor it would consist of three things imo, 1) give the youth a chance b) play attractive football c) play winning football. So thats one out of three then.
Just so happens that for all of his negatives he is the best in the business at getting results it seems. And i'm genuinely of the belief that we will be the club that he answers those questions at, or attempts too anyway. We will be the one that finds out who the real Mourinho is imo.
So it had nothing to do with the biggest club in the world coming in and offering him the job as coach? Riiiight, Mourinho decided to leave because there was no money.
So it had nothing to do with the biggest club in the world coming in and offering him the job as coach? Riiiight, Mourinho decided to leave because there was no money.
Bollocks.
One of the biggest then. He'd always told people how he didn't like Italy or the Italian media. He proves them all wrong by doing something no-one had done before him and leading Inter to the treble. Then Madrid come calling, a job he has always stated he wants. He didn't leave because Inter didn't have any money to spend, that's a load of bollocks really and a very weak argument.
He made a net profit last season.
By selling one player for a massive amount and buying Milito, Sjnieder, Etoo, Pandev, Motta and Lucio. He dropped on by selling Ibra for such a massive fee, but it wasn't like he didn't spend everything. It's very unusual for a team to spend as much as he did that summer, and he bought in many players. The season before that he spent about 40 million on complete flops.
It doesn't matter if a big club comes calling, I'm sure they have for Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez, Capello. They were all in a job and so turned them down. It's very rare for a top manager to leave such a big club as Inter or Real or Man United of their own accord ,there's no reason not to stick around.
Inter are not in the same calibre as Real or United.
Three champions leagues, 18 domestic cups and some of the best players of all time. They are certainly up there with all the big clubs, and Mourinho just walked out on them. Utterly absurd. People seem to think it's acceptable because he wants to win a trophy from every major competition. Why? Why is that ok? Do you not think Wenger, Ferguson etc etc would like that as well
Did he say that he didn't like Italy or the Italian media before he went to Inter, or after he decided he wanted to go to Real?
Inter are nowhere near as big as AC in there own City, never mind the likes of Juve, this is just in Italy. Add into that Real Madrid are the biggest in the world then yeah, he definately moved up.
After about 2 months at Inter, he hated them and they hated him immediately.
Seems like he did pretty well to me, to make a net profit and still win the Treble. And you can hardly say this would be the first season when he has no money, given that he didn't have any last year, and generated his own by selling his best player. He bought in many player, but what exactly is wrong with that? What is wrong with generating your own cash through sales and using it to buy players who lead you to the Treble? Would you prefer him to talk about value, sign one first team player and win the Coppa Italia?
Why is it not acceptable? He can do what he likes, it is his career. If Wenger or Ferguson would have liked to do that, and thought they were capable of doing it, then they really should have done it earlier in their careers. It's likely they believe they have a better chance of winning things by building their own sides over the long term though.
I don't see what the problem is with Mourinho wanting to go and win every major competition in Europe, some managers are satisfied with winning the same competitions over and over again, Mourinho isn't. I think he'll go down as one of, if not the, greatest manager of all time when he retires partly because he'll have won in so many countries.
Everything he builds is upon sand though, it's all short-term, expensive team building. No legacy, no youth introduced, and no long-term projects which IMO shows the true mettle of a manager with the difficulties that inevitably arrive with long-term stays at a club.
A great manager no doubt, but the greatest? No, he'll have to leave his stamp on a club and some sort of legacy in the game before we can say that. Right now his legacy is of short-term success and the loyalty of a snake.
Chelsea are doing pretty well using a team which is basically the one he put together. They've won a Premiership, two FA Cups, reached the Champions League Final and had a second place finish in the Premier League, with no major changed from the team Mourinho built.
You still wheeling out this argument? It's a team that were universally acknowledged to be declining, they won only one FA Cup in three years post-Jose, us selling Ronaldo, losing Tevez, and failing to replace them adequately is the main reason they've managed to get a look in again, not because of Mourinho building an all-conquering squad and this team is his legacy.
Besides, a fair portion of their squad last and this season were either signed after he left or he had little input into them joining Chelsea(Abramovich, Arnesen, Kenyon etc saw to that). Bosingwa, Alex, Ivanovic, Anelka, Mikel, Ramires, Deco, Sturridge, Benayoun, and Kakuta are examples of this.
I don't agree that they were on the decline when Mourinho left, 2007-08 was the season when they had their best showing in the Champions League and nearly won the Premier League as well. Of course they have declined since, their players have got older and they haven't really replaced them. The major reason why they didn't win any League titles in the two season post-Jose is that we had a pretty spectacular team which was already slightly better than Chelsea's, and they made poor managerial decisions. It's not because they were a poor side by any means, the side Mourinho left was the second best in Europe, and had been for some time, and the fact they can still win Premier League titles with largely the same side, even given the decline of the Premier League's top clubs, is a testament to the side he built.
As for the additional players you mention, there's only Ivanovic who played a key role for last season's Chelsea side. Alex and Mikel were signed when Mourinho was the manager, Bosingwa and Deco didn't play a first team role last season, Benayoun, Kakuta and Sturridge have hardly played at all. Moreover, the signings made since the end of last season aren't really relevant, given that they haven't won anything with them yet. I don't know how you know that he had no input on the signings of Alex and Mikel, all I've heard is rumour and speculation.
When Sir Alex retires it would be a travisty if Manchester United didn't at least attempt to get Mourinho in. He's the only one capable of following the greatest football manager to ever live.
To be fair to twigginator who clealy disagrees with me on this subject he's right, exhaustion can be a major factor in developing anemia.
That said I remember he had fatigue issues in his first season at real, iirc he started every game until February and finished 2.
My point is Mourinho would know this and he still had him play as many games as he did last year. He knew if he was leaving he wouldn't have to deal with this problem.