Is it a Brazilian thing though?
Adriano, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho come to my mind
Well he is certainly built like an ox as well... Probably just heavy bones or so...
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Is it a Brazilian thing though?
Adriano, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho come to my mind
Well he is certainly built like an ox as well... Probably just heavy bones or so...
I thought he was the best player out there. Might not have been great at defending, but then again neither were any of our defenders or his partner in midfield.
Definitely looked the best out of the lot there tonight, hopefully he is given a run of games to build some confidence.
True. His positioning wasnt good.
But apart from that he played a pretty solid game.
He was the best of a bad bunch.
At least one player showed some character out there. Anderson worked tirelessly in midfield to keep possession and drive our team on. It didn't really come to much but his return to form is something we can be happy with.
At least one player showed some character out there. Anderson worked tirelessly in midfield to keep possession and drive our team on. It didn't really come to much but his return to form is something we can be happy with.
Thought he was excellent tonight all things considering.
The only attacking player who made things happen.
He is getting good form. Should start in some of the big games coming up.
The only attacking player who made things happen.
He is getting good form. Should start in some of the big games coming up.
Thought he was the only positive to take out of tonight.
I'm closer to agreeing to this than the the 'he had a good game' line of thought, althought there is alot more emphasis on the negatives than the positives. At the end of the day he was part of a 3 and then two man midfield which got outplayed by fecking Spector and Kovac. Anderson was better than Fletcher(I've not seen Fletch have a poorer performance for United for years) but like you said the way West Ham skipped through out midfield was highly embarrassing at times and it left the back four very much exposed. Fletcher and Anderson had to take the lead with this as well as we had novice wingers out wide who were likely to be more lackse with tracking back.
Anderson did make some good runs with the ball and his passing was generally decent most of the night and his head also did not drop(several others did) but I'd agree with what you emphasised on the protection to the back four(who were left exposed). Both Fletcher and Anderson have to take the responsibility for that and at times it was very basic stuff.
Alongsid the poor defending and individual errors with the back four it was the maine reason we got such a hiding tonight.
He's still worthy of a run in the side following the performance on Saturday but I'm back to thinking he's not cut out for a two man midfield which always makes it difficult to know how to fit him into the side when Berba and Rooney are around.
For me, this is the biggest problem with Anderson. We know Carrick, Fletcher and Scholes can handle being in a two man midfield, although with Scholes you have to take into account his age and who the opposition are, but with Anderson, Fergie's still struggling to define a proper position for him. He veers from the most attacking in a three man midfield to someone with a mix of roles in a two man midfield depending on the partner and it's difficult to know how to get the best out of him.
In fairness to Anderson, alot of this is Fergie's issue to sort out because until he decides what Anderson actually is as a midfield player he will always be abit more stunted than his peers.
Was impressed with him again. Looked like the only one who cared and it's great to see he can play two 90 mins games a week without getting exhausted!
What are you talking about? He let Spector walk past him and he lost the ball on so many occasions. I think Fletcher and Anderson spoke before the game and made a bet as to who would lose the ball more often.
By far the best player out there. Although that wasnt really difficult, tbf
I was pleased with him offensively. Sure their tracking back was rather pathetic but Anderson was the only one who looked like he could make things happen.
His hollywood balls are reducing in frequency and his passing is improving. He was the one bright spark for me tonight.
I thought he did well on the ball tonight but struggled to get back defensively, the warning signs were there on the disallowed goal but weren't heeded.
I thought Anderson had a good game. Not his fault Fletcher had one of his worst games ever and Goggs made a comeback. Even against Spector and Kovac he can't run midfield on his own. Wouldn't blame him for any of the goals either, which were rudamentary errors by the back four.
The one and only positive on a bit of a shit night.
The one and only positive on a bit of a shit night.
He and Fletcher is a poor pairing away from home because neither has the discipline to worry too much about what's going on behind them.
The back four was poor tonight, but it was also inexperienced, and not helped out by being exposed time and again...
Nah, Fletcher usually knows what he's doing defensively. It's his shit twin brother that turned out tonight who let us down.
I was surprised Carrick didn't come on at half time as he is our best defensive screener and clicked well with Anderson on Saturday.
I don't Fergie wanted to risk him getting injured. It's a relief we came out of the match with no injuries considering Boa Morte was on a one man mission do as much damage as possible.
Yeah andrson can't be faulted here. He looked like he had a decent game. Fletcher on the other hand continued his poor form.
Agreed on both counts. Start Anderson with Carrick at weekend on the off chance the game goes ahead, they worked together superbly against Blackburn.
It's to simple to put all the responsibility onto Fletcher for the failure of the midfield to offer the back four any type of protection. Overall, as the more experenced and defensively astute player, Fletcher should take more responsibility than Anderson(he also gave a far poorer performance) but to say Fletcher did not turn up defensively was the only cause for the lack of protection to the back four is nowhere near accurate.
The way Fergie shaped up tonight we had to have decent protection for the back four from both central midfield players. Giggs was essentially playing off Hernandez first half and had a free role. The back four is highly inexperienced and the two full backs also had to contend with the additional disadvantage of having two novice wingers assisting them. No Park or Valencia tonight to help out or someone like Carrick to sit in front of the defence. We were set up for both Fletcher and Anderson to defend like a pair and they failed to do so spectacularly.
Now, Anderson is good enough defensively against such opposition, and has shown this on numerous occasions, to better what he did tonight in this regard by a good few fecking furlongs. Remember alongside Hargreaves he has offered decent protection to the back four through his physicality and strength. It's only really against the very best when his positioning should get caught out. Against the likes of Kovac and Spector he has more than enough in his locker to do alot better than he did tonight. I agree Fletcher let him down hugely tonight and Fergie's team selection left alot to be desired but he is still culpable to an extent for the gross failure of our midfield to help the back four out and leave them exposed so often.
The way Spector left him for dead for the disallowed goal is a good example of this. Anderson was beaten and that run lead directly to Obina having a potshot as our back four stood off him.
Now, I don't want to get on Anderson's back at all tonight, as there were some encouraging signs such as his improved ball retention and the runs he was making at the start of the second half. He was taking the ball off the back four frequently and started attacks well. But he was in essence playing a similar role to what Scholes plays for United tonight and that comes with some defensive responsibilities and he was found wanting their tonight.
I still think we would go along way to realising his potential if we gave him more of a defined position. It does not seem an issue for others but Anderson's not strong enough yet overall to be paired with anyone and to consistently deliver and he has so much talent, it would be a real waste of his abilities for him not to fulfil his vast potential. In terms of his potential, he is probably the one youngster who has genuine 'star' potential and his set of qualities are relatively rare. Bring that all together and you have a monster of a player of your hands.
The way Fergie shaped up tonight we had to have decent protection for the back four from both central midfield players. Giggs was essentially playing off Hernandez first half and had a free role. The back four is highly inexperienced and the two full backs also had to contend with the additional disadvantage of having two novice wingers assisting them. No Park or Valencia tonight to help out or someone like Carrick to sit in front of the defence. We were set up for both Fletcher and Anderson to defend like a pair and they failed to do so spectacularly.
Now, Anderson is good enough defensively against such opposition, and has shown this on numerous occasions, to better what he did tonight in this regard by a good few fecking furlongs. Remember alongside Hargreaves he has offered decent protection to the back four through his physicality and strength. It's only really against the very best when his positioning should get caught out. Against the likes of Kovac and Spector he has more than enough in his locker to do alot better than he did tonight. I agree Fletcher let him down hugely tonight and Fergie's team selection left alot to be desired but he is still culpable to an extent for the gross failure of our midfield to help the back four out and leave them exposed so often.
The way Spector left him for dead for the disallowed goal is a good example of this. Anderson was beaten and that run lead directly to Obina having a potshot as our back four stood off him.
Now, I don't want to get on Anderson's back at all tonight, as there were some encouraging signs such as his improved ball retention and the runs he was making at the start of the second half. He was taking the ball off the back four frequently and started attacks well. But he was in essence playing a similar role to what Scholes plays for United tonight and that comes with some defensive responsibilities and he was found wanting their tonight.
I still think we would go along way to realising his potential if we gave him more of a defined position. It does not seem an issue for others but Anderson's not strong enough yet overall to be paired with anyone and to consistently deliver and he has so much talent, it would be a real waste of his abilities for him not to fulfil his vast potential. In terms of his potential, he is probably the one youngster who has genuine 'star' potential and his set of qualities are relatively rare. Bring that all together and you have a monster of a player of your hands.
Anderson had a strong game defensively against West Ham with Hargreaves, I think. Lightyears ahead of what he showed today.
Still looked better in possession than he did last year so the fact he's shown he can back up his Blackburn performance in that sense is promising.
About the only faint positive I could take out of the game.
Still looked better in possession than he did last year so the fact he's shown he can back up his Blackburn performance in that sense is promising.
About the only faint positive I could take out of the game.
Can't see that happening. I'd expect Scholes, Carrick and Fletcher will be our midfield for any big games coming up. Regardless of the latter's form.
Fletcher - did he pass the ball once to Anderson? Let a technical and creative player control the tempo rather than a out of form gimp. That's not his game. Fletcher should have been working his arse off to supply the ball to Anderson...
Anderson gives us something no other MUFC player gives us from the center. Drive. Play him with Carrick or Scholes and he will excel.
Anderson gives us something no other MUFC player gives us from the center. Drive. Play him with Carrick or Scholes and he will excel.
We've been mullered in midfield pretty much every time he's played beside Scholes. 'tis a shame because with Scholes' subtle playmaking and dominance of possession and Anderson's drive and direct threat it'd be bloody hard for teams to cope with.
Can't really remember seeing Carrick-Anderson-Scholes but I'm sure we've played it. Anyone remember if it went well? I think it worked well once against Arsenal.
Can't really remember seeing Carrick-Anderson-Scholes but I'm sure we've played it. Anyone remember if it went well? I think it worked well once against Arsenal.
We dominated Liverpool with it, when Rooney had a blinder without scoring, Nani scored an awesome goal off the bench and Mascherano got sent off.
That was a great day.
Well given they're our three form midfielders we might get a chance to see them sometime soon, they do seem to have the makings of a strong trio.
Well given they're our three form midfielders we might get a chance to see them sometime soon, they do seem to have the makings of a strong trio.
What was our midfield at Stamford Bridge last season, when we dominated the midfield-battle against Chelsea?
Anderson--Fletcher---Scholes?
Anderson--Fletcher---Scholes?
I think it was Anderson, Carrick, and Fletcher actually
Rooney should have won a peno and Carragher got sent off inside 5 minutes after Anderson put Rooney in
Yep and we were all calling for it a week before the game. It didn't dissappoint but we still lost through a set piece.
Wasnt it the lion heart who scored, whilst jumping over Evans
Ahh yes this is the Drogba seizure game as well haha
I really enjoyed the game and thought it was the best United have played at SB since fecking hell maybe 2003, shame about the loss, especially considering how close the title race ended up being.
Ahh yes this is the Drogba seizure game as well haha
I really enjoyed the game and thought it was the best United have played at SB since fecking hell maybe 2003, shame about the loss, especially considering how close the title race ended up being.
Best we played all season in my opinion considering the quality of opponents, Jonny 'Chuck Norris' Evans.. landing a kung fu kick on Didier 'Its a feckin Disgrace' Drogba
.Rooney was immense that game at Stamford Bridge, we didn't deserve to lose.
Wasn't overly impressed with him last night, He did seem like the only threat from the midfield though, unfortuanetly the team were so static in losing there markers that he was stuck for options.
Yesterday our midfield and defense played horribly. Anderson and Obertan were the best of a bunch who should really be ashamed of themselves.
We win as a team and lose as a team. They all should be ashamed of themselves and as for Anderson I'm mystified as to where this hype is coming from that he had a good game last night.He had a decent game against Blackburn but so would have anyone given how uncompetitive they were but last night against Spector and Boa Morte? Come on! Yes he's getting back to fitness, yes he has bundles of energy but long term is he going to be the successor to Scholes,Keane etc?
We win and lose as a team but even in a 4-0 defeat against Relegation side West Ham one can see that some players had actually done better then others. Anderson was the best amongst a miserable bunch. That's hardly comforting though.
Actually he had a wonderful game against Blackburn, You can only play whats infront of you. They were bad but i've seen anderson do a lot less against a lot more worse. His running off the ball and with the ball is what's made people rave about him in the past few days. He seems to be available for the second pass which wasn't the case a few months back and also he goes on that long driving runs again. The second is something different to what every other midfielder in our team offers.
Plus as was evident in the blackburn game and till the 65th minute in yesterday's game, his passing has actually improved. Some of his hollywood passes reach the man and some of them are weighed to perfection.
Well that answers why he's being hyped, now coming to the things he did wrong. For a player who's played more in central midfield than any other position in his professional career, this man is unbelievably naive with respect to his defensive positioning. He lets players run past him with so much frequency its irritating. With a partner like carrick, you wouldn't notice as much, but with fletcher not up to scratch, he was evident from the word go.
However, what gets me giddy along with thousand others with regards to Anderson is how good he'll become if he keeps improving and adds consistency. Right now he's a good midfielder, but with a little improvements on his positioning and with experience he'll gain with time, he can be a wonderful player for us.
I wish I could share your optimism but in the years he's been here I actually haven't seen any improvement
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