World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

Interesting angle from Japan - live 3D transmission of games to stadia all around the world. Does the technology even exist to do that?!
 
And you'll apparently have Universal Translators which, if the Internet is any indication, will allow you to tell someone on the other side of the world that he's an idiot and probably homosexual for thinking something was or wasn't a penalty.
 
phelans shorts said:
Just ignore cal? he's just being elitist.
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How so? I've listed plenty of very valid reasons why Qatar should be nowhere near hosting a World Cup, just because you don't agree doesn't make my points invalid.
 
Didn't Japan just have a World Cup? It'll be only 20 years in 2022.

And it will be 52 years in 2018 since England hosted the world cup. :rolleyes:
 
Cal? said:
How so? I've listed plenty of very valid reasons why Qatar should be nowhere near hosting a World Cup, just because you don't agree doesn't make my points invalid.
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Of which every one has proven to be either inaccurate/unfair/against protocol(that you put forward in non qualification stakes)
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Didn't Japan just have a World Cup? It'll be only 20 years in 2022.

And it will be 52 years in 2018 since England hosted the world cup. :rolleyes:
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That has everything to do with Fifa's anti-Uefa stance and the fact that Uefa has the highest concerntration of countries ready to host a WC.
 
phelans shorts said:
Of which every one has proven to be either inaccurate/unfair/against protocol(that you put forward in non qualification stakes)
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How is it unfair to say their team is awful? It's a fact.

How is it unfair to say their country is too small?

How is it unfair to say they don't have the stadia available?

How is it unfair to say it would be difficult to open bars that will only run for a month (if this law change thing is to be believed)?
 
Cal? said:
How is it unfair to say their team is awful? It's a fact.
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Like South Africa and Japan were?

How is it unfair to say their country is too small?
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So only big countries can host?

How is it unfair to say they don't have the stadia available?
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By the time of 2022 they will no doubt be, notice brazil haven't even started building on some.

How is it unfair to say it would be difficult to open bars that will only run for a month (if this law change thing is to be believed)?
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Why would it be difficult? There is huge money making potential for locals.

Also they do sell beer in Qatar anyway.
 
Cal? said:
How is it unfair to say their team is awful? It's a fact.

How is it unfair to say their country is too small?

How is it unfair to say they don't have the stadia available?

How is it unfair to say it would be difficult to open bars that will only run for a month (if this law change thing is to be believed)?
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You haven't mentioned the heat and humidity....imo Qatar has one of the worst types of environments for allowing the majority of players to produce top quality football.
 
Japan or Qatar please.

I think both would be great hosts who would evolve football and make it a better and more global game.
 
I didnt see the Aussie presentation but of the other 4, I would say the Qatari one was the best with Japan second. The Korean and American ones were poor.

I would still favour it going to Oz but I think Qatar might be getting it.
 
Wonder how many elite hookers have been flown in especially for tonight so all these 'big cheeses' can be suitably 'entertained' this evening? Im sure each lady of the night will be 'sponsored' by one of the bidding host nations!
 
Cal? said:
How is it unfair to say their team is awful? It's a fact.

How is it unfair to say their country is too small?

How is it unfair to say they don't have the stadia available?

How is it unfair to say it would be difficult to open bars that will only run for a month (if this law change thing is to be believed)?
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Agree with you on this mate, Qatar would be a shocking choice. Every other candidate for '22 would be an excellent choice.
 
Rood said:
I didnt see the Aussie presentation but of the other 4, I would say the Qatari one was the best with Japan second. The Korean and American ones were poor.

I would still favour it going to Oz but I think Qatar might be getting it.
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Dont want to talk politics in here...but Qatar don't recognize Israel, maybe FIFA can for once meddle in some positive politics, and tell them if they really want it, they have to recognize Israel.

I'm not saying Israel are some kind of lock to make the WC, but it would be an issue to have a host that won't allow a nation in. I think Qatar would for the sake of the prestige of hosting the tournament go along with these demands....Long run everyone wins.

I remember there being a big thing happening with the Israeli tennis player, Peer, was it? Not being allowed in for an ATP tournament.
 
phelans shorts said:
Air conditioned stadiums, this was one of the first points made by bidders, and when was the last high quality world cup anyway?
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We haven't had a quality WC for a long time. They used to be good (I'm going back a fair while now) and I'd like to see them good again.....a WC where you want to tune in to virtually every match played.

Air conditioned stadiums will help, but out of the air conditioning you've still got the problem, energy sapping conditions. The players will need to live in an air-conditioned bubble over there. Won't be so good for the fans either.

I've spent a lot of holidays in that neck of the woods and the humidity at times is bloody awful.
 
They are already addressing that - there was a part of the Qatari video presentation which showed a kid in Palestine talking about Jews and Arabs watching games together etc
 
Rood said:
They are already addressing that - there was a part of the Qatari video presentation which showed a kid in Palestine talking about Jews and Arabs watching games together etc
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oh excellent, I've been in and out, so haven't watched all the presentations.
 
phelans shorts said:
Air conditioned stadiums, this was one of the first points made by bidders, and when was the last high quality world cup anyway?
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Are all the fans going to stay in the AC stadiums or will they have to go outside when it's 41º-46ºC outside?
 
phelans shorts said:
Like South Africa and Japan were?



So only big countries can host?



By the time of 2022 they will no doubt be, notice brazil haven't even started building on some.



Why would it be difficult? There is huge money making potential for locals.

Also they do sell beer in Qatar anyway.
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S Africa and Japan were both close to making the WC, Qatar has never been anywhere near, they are not just poor or mediocre, they are dreadful, imagine inviting Brighton into the Champions League.

Yes, only big countries should host big events.
 
Sir Matt said:
Are all the fans going to stay in the AC stadiums or will they have to go outside when it's 41º-46ºC outside?
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Exactly, you can AC the stadia, but cannot AC an entire country...
 
An article I found, although the writer must have a crap spellchecker.

Well were almost at the point where we know who will be hosting the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups with the official announcement expected tomorrow however the last few months have, rather than lead to discussions about who is the most deserving of the hosting rights, instead more questions have been raised by the British media as to weather or not the voting process is in fact legitimate and just how unbiased the FIFA executive committee actually is.

FIFA has been the controlling football worldwide since 1904, they of course have naturally controlled most major rule changes, procedure changes and basically everything that has happened on the worldwide level since from there base (or Lair may be a tad more of a description)*in Zurich, Most notably in the new building, as shown in the image above, which is made of glass, “to signify how transparent FIFA’s dealings are” however this doesn’t cover the underground levels… Where the deals are actually done…

Now if we are realistic here it has always been hihgly suspected that FIFA are far from the organisation they claim to be, with corruption always being suspected of them however until recently they have never been found to have partaken in such activity actively. In this case several FIFA officials have been found to be involved in underhand tactics, several months ago The Sunday Times newspaper in Britain caught a sting on several FIFA officials offering help to the “company” fronted by the journalists if they “donated” money to the officials.

Several months later after an investigation the officials (Amos Adamu and Reynold Tamarii) were found not guilty of the corruption charges, they were however given lengthy suspensions from the corporation. Sepp Blatter at the time of the announcement stated “We need to rid society, including our corporation of evils” which means they will surely thank the Sunday Times for there work of exposing these corrupt officials? Dream on.

When giving his statement Blatter surprisingly lambasted the journalists, and is seemingly deciding to put his fingers in his ears saying “blah blah blah I can’t hear you” method of facing up to these charges amongst some of his most*trusted confidante’s, which is seemingly working for him so far, most notably in the case of CONCACAF’s Jack Warner, a man who has been found to sell tickets on the black market for Germany’s World Cup in 2006 and is highly suspected of doing the same at this years tournament in South Africa, which is quite frankly unacceptable, after the debacle of his tickets in 2006 Warner was made to pay back all of the profit he made from it, whilst being allowed to remain in a job.

So the question still looms large, what* can be done to ensure the actual transparency of FIFA and there workings? Well of course it is pivotal that we need an investigatory body that will look over as much as possible, maybe by checking the finances of the committee and there immediate final searching for “gifts” that they recieve from companies. Okay this may be slightly unrealistic but who are we to decide the best way of sorting this, politicians from all over the world will likely be required to ensure this mess that is FIFA is sorted out, and we can finally begin to trust the governing body of the beautiful game, before it is too late.
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FIFA and Corruption, A Legitimate case? | Bagsy Not In - The Football Blog
 
Got to say, even as a self confessed skeptic of all things Beckham, I have been very impressed by his ambassadorial skills that he uses so effectively in his role on behalf of Team England in the world of international sport.

As part of England's heavyweight '3 lions' bid team, he gives the team footballing authenticity, glamour and experience (gained from the London Olympics bid). The way he connects emotionally with the FIFA members could make all the difference.

Given what we have seen today, I feel good about England's chances tomorrow. The bid is a serious one with the highest levels of national support, it is technically and financially strong, its definitely 'our turn' and I think it would do the world of football alot of good.

If our '3 lions' (Windsor, Beckham, Cameron) can nail the presentation its ours for the taking .... Unlike the Dream Team USA )Freeman, Obama, Clinton) which was frankly and bizarrely one of the lamest most tepid presentations I have ever seen!!
 
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phelans shorts said:
Hehe good point.

Also America messed up in another way, they went over there allotted time, FIFA not so happy.
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The speed at which Clinton and Freeman talk, it's not really a surprise.
 
Will England win the bid, will Old Trafford be expanded?
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Will England win the bid, will Old Trafford be expanded?
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I doubt it. They played in stadiums half the size of Old Trafford this past World Cup.

Average stadium size in South Africa was 51,459 with the smallest stadium being 38,646. Granted, demand for tickets for an England World Cup would be ten times higher than South Africa.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
I doubt it. They played in stadiums half the size of Old Trafford this past World Cup.

Average stadium size in South Africa was 51,459 with the smallest stadium being 38,646. Granted, demand for tickets for an England World Cup would be ten times higher than South Africa.
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No, the FA will not allow Old Trafford to be bigger than their pet project Wembley.
 
Cal? said:
No, the FA will not allow Old Trafford to be bigger than their pet project Wembley.
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As long as we had planning permission then the F.A can only object on safety grounds. If they don't have a case then there is nothing to stop us expanding.

I'm pretty sure that's the rule. In any case. We won't be expanding the stadium any time soon.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
I doubt it. They played in stadiums half the size of Old Trafford this past World Cup.

Average stadium size in South Africa was 51,459 with the smallest stadium being 38,646. Granted, demand for tickets for an England World Cup would be ten times higher than South Africa.
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Which is why I think it may be expanded. And extra seats can be squeezed into Wembley and all.
 
Stobzilla said:
As long as we had planning permission then the F.A can only object on safety grounds. If they don't have a case then there is nothing to stop us expanding.

I'm pretty sure that's the rule. In any case. We won't be expanding the stadium any time soon.
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Well, the FA won't pay for it. If United are to pay for the expansion, World Cup or not makes no difference.
 
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