World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

i hate it being called "england world cup"

cameron refereed to william as "future king of england"

would england have paid for it on their own? no! its scottish, irish and welsh money aswell!
 
Talk about missing the fecking point!

What do they do with them afterwards, turn them into open air mosques and pray in them?

Have you not been reading the dozens of posts here explaining that the stadiums will be taken down and rebuilt in impoverished nations
 
Talk about missing the fecking point!

What do they do with them afterwards, turn them into open air mosques and pray in them?

What it is, is the most expensive tourism advert in history.
 
Have you not been reading the dozens of posts here explaining that the stadiums will be taken down and rebuilt in impoverished nations

Oh well im sure people who are struggling for water will be pleased to have a fecking massive football stadium near them
 
I'm about ready to throw my toys out of the pram over this, I hope Blatter gets Kidney stones. On a separate issue can I just take this opportunity to thank China for giving the world football, talk about twisting the knife.

When I heard Blatter say that, I genuinely knew we were done for. That sounded like a thinly veiled dig at England and our belief that we are the 'motherland of the game'. The lack of votes show that we've been punished heavily for all the controversy that's been stirred up.
 
Have you not been reading the dozens of posts here explaining that the stadiums will be taken down and rebuilt in impoverished nations

My Children are starving and I have malaria, but my quality of life is now so much better I have a 50,000 seater football stadium on the patch of land I used to herd my goats, which were crushed under the stadium when Qatari airforces dropped it on us.
 
Russia, I can more or less understand. No Eastern European country has ever hosted the World Cup, they're a growing football nation and it's possible their competition will be close to the top of the world by 2018.

But Qatar is a different matter. No football culture, no football history and most likely no football future as well. They'll build 12 great stadiums who can be taken down again immediately after the WC because they're useless (edit: just read that they're going to be rebuilt elsewhere). Not to mention the heat in that country at the time of the world cup. Very ecological WC this is going to be if they plan to install air conditioning in all stadiums.

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1657: Full results of 2018 voting:

Round 1: England 2 votes, Netherlands/Belgium 4 votes, Spain/Portugal 7 votes and Russia 9 votes.
Round 2: Netherlands/Belgium 2 votes, Spain/Portugal 7 votes and Russia 12 votes (Russia obtain absolute majority)

From the BBC. Seems some voted tactically in the 1st round to get England out. That's the only logical reasoning I can think of behind backing Netherlands/Belgium in round 1 but not round 2 as 2 people clearly did.
There is another possible reason. Seeing that the winner would probably be either Russia or Spain/Portugal and Holland/Belgium didn't really stand a chance, some people who voted for Holland/Belgium could have changed their vote to either one because they don't like the other one.


Qatar was classified as the highest risk bid not long ago, by FIFA themselves!

And guess who was second worst?

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It has been said many time what they will do afterwards !

Unfortuanetly people in Sierra Leone or Haiti won't get much benefit out of a big arse stadium suddenly arriving.
 
Im still stunned by this, They are talking on talksport about the heat in qatar, Darren Gough was saying when he played in conditions slightly warmer than what we can expect that summer they had to drink after every single over and take it turns to take them. Playing football in that is going to be insane.
 
That's where Japan & USA went wrong, why spend all that money to get the bids upto standard and actually improve your footballing standard?

Just use it all to pay off 11 old men.

England got it really wrong then, we spent the most out of all the countries on our bid.
 
2018 ballot
First round:
Russia 9
Spain/Portugal 7
Netherlands/Belgium 4
England 2 (eliminated)

Second round:
Russia 13
Spain/Portugal 7
Netherlands/Belgium 2

2022 ballot:
First round
Qatar 11
South Korea 4
Japan 3
U.S. 3
Australia 1 (eliminated)

Second round
Qatar 10
South Korea 5
U.S. 5
Japan 2 (eliminated)

Third round
Qatar 11
U.S. 6
South Korea 5 (eliminated)

Fourth round
Qatar 14
U.S. 8


England got two votes! One of them was from Britain's FIFA vice-president Geoff Thompson. That is absolute slap in the face. All that ass kissing to Jack Warner ( likely the biggest crook of the lot) and they didn't even get CONCACAF's three votes.
 
Heh. When this thread is all said and done there is only one thing that can happen; we wait and see. Everyone said South Africa would be a disaster. Hell, for all intents and purposes a few short months before WC2010 it looked like it would be yet somehow, like Nani turning his season and career around in 2009-10, they pulled it off.

I'd like to think that this forum could be a little more forward thinking and a little less reactionary but methinks I doth expect too much sometimes.
 
:lol: That chart is amazing, Qataronly considered 'low risk' for one thing. I mean, good luck to them and all, but...:lol:
 
Oh well im sure people who are struggling for water will be pleased to have a fecking massive football stadium near them

Exactly it makes no sense? What would an impoverished nation do with a football stadium?

I'm not saying it helps anything, it's just getting tiresome seeing the same "will there be alcohol?!?!" "what will happen to the stadiums!!111" posts being recycled every 10 seconds when they've been answered frequently.
 
FIFA officials know that England or Spain/Portugal could host a WC tomorrow and that fact actually puts them off. It hardly boosts their reputation or sense of self importance to use Wembley or the Nou Camp. No, they prefer the thought of walking into some expensive new stadium in the (football) wilderness and thinking to themselves "I did this. Aren't I a wonderful person to have brought this gift to the people of Qatar".
 
Im still stunned by this, They are talking on talksport about the heat in qatar, Darren Gough was saying when he played in conditions slightly warmer than what we can expect that summer they had to drink after every single over and take it turns to take them. Playing football in that is going to be insane.

Except Brazil and Argentina only recently played a friendly match there, and while fat as feck Goughie might have needed to have a drink every other over, Messi and Co, did just fine.

Yes it was a one off..but every world cup has unique conditions. USA 94 was in the middle of the summer in the states...Florida, Cali, and Texas are cold as hell in July.
 
England got it really wrong then, we spent the most out of all the countries on our bid.

Exactly... I only singled out Japan & USA because their bids had only 1 "medium risk" and they have both improved a lot in the past decade.
 
When I heard Blatter say that, I genuinely knew we were done for. That sounded like a thinly veiled dig at England and our belief that we are the 'motherland of the game'. The lack of votes show that we've been punished heavily for all the controversy that's been stirred up.

Seconded.
 
Heh. When this thread is all said and done there is only one thing that can happen; we wait and see. Everyone said South Africa would be a disaster. Hell, for all intents and purposes a few short months before WC2010 it looked like it would be yet somehow, like Nani turning his season and career around in 2009-10, they pulled it off.

I'd like to think that this forum could be a little more forward thinking and a little less reactionary but methinks I doth expect too much sometimes.

Both of the world cups will be fantastic. Just the reasons behind who gets it makes no sense anymore.
 
Im still stunned by this, They are talking on talksport about the heat in qatar, Darren Gough was saying when he played in conditions slightly warmer than what we can expect that summer they had to drink after every single over and take it turns to take them. Playing football in that is going to be insane.

Air. Conditioning.
 
I guess I'm the only one that thinks Qatar will be excellent hosts.

Oh they'll be fantastic. Without a doubt. They'll throw so much money at it it'll be like Disneyland meets Vegas meets Dubai with football..and I'll more than likely go (Ifs permitting) but that isn't the point..

Here's the point (IMO)..

Firstly the notion that FIFA is a hugely corrupt and agenda driven organisation (but that's really a given) but mainly the overbearing feeling that the actual base aspects of football and World Cups (the quality of football, the teams actually in it, the fans actually going, the players actually playing etc) are no longer taken into consideration when deciding the who hosts the football World Cup. Which is silly. All those saying "yeah but it's nice they're given a chance' probably aren't fecking going..and certainly aren't fecking playing in it. The World Cup isn't a charity drive, it's a football tournament but Blatter (at face value at least) seems to be trying deliberately to give it to countries who don't seem suitable as a sort of incentive to get football really big there...

And I've got no problem with that philosophy. In essence it's great and I love the fact the WC went to Africa last time, and I think it should definitely go to countries who wouldn't normally see top class football...but in moderation. Not every year. It's disregarding the core of football and the core of the fanbases to be political. And that's without even touching on the idea that a country shouldn't use the WC as an incentive to clean up/modernise their act once they've got it. They should do that AS an incentive to get the WC.

Lets look at the last 4 decided hosts and see what their merits have been..

South Africa - First WC in Africa. Little WC history in the country itself (comparatively) but a deserving one for the continent as a whole. Practically it didn't initially meet criteria though. Little infrastrucure to begin with and concerns over safety, weather, altitude, travel etc. It ended up not being a great WC but it was worthy and in the end a success for the country itself.

Brazil - Deserving on historical merit. Easily. Same concerns over safety, travel etc though, but because of it's long and rich history with football deserves its chance.

Russia - Again, deserving on history, concerns over it's readiness, once again an infrastructure to be build from scratch and travel headache's for fans.

Qatar - First WC in the ME. History wise non-existent. Weather and accomodation demands, and AGAIN has to build everything from scratch.

So in the last 4 WCs, none have gone to a country with both deserving history and suitable infrastructure.. They haven't given much consideration to the base swell of support (and talent) from the main countries likely to be competing in it. and not to the country best suited to do it. They've all been political in one way or another and this is the problem.I'm fine with 2, even 3 of these. but 4? No. Not as a fan who will try and go to all of them, and not as a football fan who wants to see the best tournament possible.

I'm all for the idea, but slip in a country with an already concrete infrastructure in between why don't you. Japan was a good idea, and it followed France and preceeded Germany. Even just one of those now would be a God send. Instead we have 4 consecutive WCs that will likely provide some headache's in some aspects. This is the problem.

Qatar is not a footballing nation by any stretch of the imagination, nor is it really a "developing nation"..It's the 2nd wealthest place on earth per capita FFS! If you wanted to give a World Cup to a nation that's never had it try Holland, a country who's players fans and people have contributed to it richly for decades and never hosted it..If you wanted to give it to the ME, why not wait until one of the more prominent Arab states with a proper footballing history came up with a bid? Sammskys melodramatic attempts to paint Qatar as a sort of Billy Elliot/Oliver Twist figure are laughable, a bit misguided and missing the point. They have done little to deserve the most prestigious tournament in the world....Apparently now the world's biggest football tournament deserves to be hosted by anyone who can afford to do it, or hasn't done it before, rather than the places best suited for the best football, best experience for the fans and best conditions for the players, or by those who would do all this AND have a rich history with the sport and competition.....It's not a travelling circus, it's a football tournament.

Russia, whilst deserving in through it's history has also sort of won it not by virtue of being the best place to have it, but by virtue of it being "deserving" sort of forgetting that the reason Eastern Europe hasn't hosted one before isn't because of some darstadly Western conspiracy, but because it's infrastructure and racial tollerance has been well below the standards required for years...It should have to sort these out and deserve it on merit before it's given it surely? Instead of some kind of fast track...

Again, sorry to sound a bit like a top white, but are you going to try and go to all these? Is sammsky? Probably not. I am, and while I love the travelling and the new horizon broadening that goes with it (and I take deep offence at anyone trying to pain me or anyone else as jingoistic for this) I'd like the best place for a good WC somewhere in there as well ...especially since they only roll round every 4 years.

/rant....Off to put the kettle on.
 
FIFA officials know that England or Spain/Portugal could host a WC tomorrow and that fact actually puts them off. It hardly boosts their reputation or sense of self importance to use Wembley or the Nou Camp. No, they prefer the thought of walking into some expensive new stadium in the (football) wilderness and thinking to themselves "I did this. Aren't I a wonderful person to have brought this gift to the people of Qatar".

You give them too much credit, if you look at that chart, there is NO WAY that Qatar deserve to win it.

It's more like 11 old men thinking "Well, where should I spend my millions of oil money?"
 
2018 ballot
First round:
Russia 9
Spain/Portugal 7
Netherlands/Belgium 4
England 2 (eliminated)

Second round:
Russia 13
Spain/Portugal 7
Netherlands/Belgium 2

2022 ballot:
First round
Qatar 11
South Korea 4
Japan 3
U.S. 3
Australia 1 (eliminated)

Second round
Qatar 10
South Korea 5
U.S. 5
Japan 2 (eliminated)

Third round
Qatar 11
U.S. 6
South Korea 5 (eliminated)

Fourth round
Qatar 14
U.S. 8


England got two votes! One of them was from Britain's FIFA vice-president Geoff Thompson. That is absolute slap in the face. All that ass kissing to Jack Warner ( likely the biggest crook of the lot) and they didn't even get CONCACAF's three votes.
The second vote was probably "pre-arranged" too so that England would never know who hadn't voted for them.

Come on media.....it's over to you to do some more digging now.

Let's investigate FIFA thoroughly now, once and for all.
 
Marcotti on Twitter
Fox Sports Australia dude on SSN speculating that Qatar 2022 will be excuse to move WC to winter, weakening domestic leagues...
 
2 votes is all England got. I'm surprised, stunned actually at that and really surprised that Qatar got the follow on tournamamet.

I do feel England certain people got very arrogant and cocky and thought it was in the bag and Sky Sports are annoying me with their conspiracy theory coverage.

However I am really at a loss as to think that qatar was picked above england and I am wondering do the FIFA actually have an agenda agaisnt England.

Dissapointed for England but heads up
 
Oh they'll be fantastic. Without a doubt. They'll throw so much money at it it'll be like Disneyland meets Vegas meets Dubai with football..and I'll more than likely go (Ifs permitting) but that isn't the point..

Here's the point (IMO)..

Firstly the notion that FIFA is a hugely corrupt and agenda driven organisation (but that's really a given) but mainly the overbearing feeling that the actual base aspects of football and World Cups (the quality of football, the teams actually in it, the fans actually going, the players actually playing etc) are no longer taken into consideration when deciding the who hosts the football World Cup. Which is silly. All those saying "yeah but it's nice they're given a chance' probably aren't fecking going..and certainly aren't fecking playing in it. The World Cup isn't a charity drive, it's a football tournament but Blatter (at face value at least) seems to be trying deliberately to give it to countries who don't seem suitable as a sort of incentive to get football really big there...

And I've got no problem with that philosophy. In essence it's great and I love the fact the WC went to Africa last time, and I think it should definitely go to countries who wouldn't normally see top class football...but in moderation. Not every year. It's disregarding the core of football and the core of the fanbases to be political. And that's without even touching on the idea that a country shouldn't use the WC as an incentive to clean up/modernise their act. They should do that AS an incentive to get the WC.

Lets look at the last 4 decided hosts and see what their merits have been..

South Africa - First WC in Africa. Little history in the country itself (comparatively) but a deserving one for the continent as a whole. Practically it didn't initially meet criteria though. Little infrastrucure to begin with and concerns over safety, weather, altitude, travel etc. It ended up not being a great WC but it was worthy and in the end a success for the country itself.

Brazil - Deserving on historical merit. Easily. Same concerns over safety, travel etc though, but because of it's long and rich history with football deserves its chance.

Russia - Again, deserving on history, concerns over it's readiness, once again an infrastructure to be build from scratch and travel headache's for fans.

Qatar - First WC in the ME. History wise non-existent. Weather and accomodation demands, and AGAIN has to build everything from scratch.

So in the last 4 WCs, none have gone to a country with both deserving history and suitable infrastructure.. They haven't given much consideration to the base swell of support (and talent) from the main countries likely to be competing in it. and not to the country best suited to do it. They've all been political in one way or another and this is the problem.I'm fine with 2, even 3 of these. but 4? No. Not as a fan who will try and go to all of them, and not as a football fan who wants to see the best tournament possible.

I'm all for the idea, but slip in a country with an already concrete infrastructure in between why don't you. Japan was a good idea, and it followed France and preceeded Germany. Even just one of those now would be a God send. Instead we have 4 consecutive WCs that will likely provide some headache's in some aspects. This is the problem.

Qatar is not a footballing nation by any stretch of the imagination, nor is it really a "developing nation"..It's the 2nd wealthest place on earth per capita FFS! If you wanted to give a World Cup to a nation that's never had it try Holland, a country who's players fans and people have contributed to it richly for decades and never hosted it..If you wanted to give it to the ME, why not wait until one of the more prominent Arab states with a proper footballing history came up with a bid? Sammskys melodramatic attempts to paint Qatar as a sort of Billy Elliot/Oliver Twist figure are laughable, a bit misguided and missing the point. They have done little to deserve the most prestigious tournament in the world....Apparently now the world's biggest football tournament deserves to be hosted by anyone who can afford to do it, or hasn't done it before, rather than the places best suited for the best football, best experience for the fans and best conditions for the players, or by those who would do all this AND have a rich history with the sport and competition.....It's not a travelling circus, it's a football tournament.

Russia, whilst deserving in through it's history has also sort of won it not by virtue of being the best place to have it, but by virtue of it being "deserving" sort of forgetting that the reason Eastern Europe hasn't hosted one before isn't because of some darstadly Western conspiracy, but because it's infrastructure and racial tollerance has been well below the standards required for years...It should have to sort these out and deserve it on merit before it's given it surely? Instead of some kind of fast track...

Again, sorry to sound a bit like a top white, but are you going to try and go to all these? Is sammsky? Probably not. I am, and while I love the travelling and the new horizon broadening that goes with it (and I take deep offence at anyone trying to pain me or anyone else as jingoistic for this) I'd like the best place for a good WC somewhere in there as well ...especially since they only roll round every 4 years.

/rant....Off to put the kettle on.

Very well said.
 
Marcotti on Twitter
Fox Sports Australia dude on SSN speculating that Qatar 2022 will be excuse to move WC to winter, weakening domestic leagues...

I'd love to see Fifa try that.

Then we could have Europe's top clubs screwing Fifa once and for all and break away!!!