How the hell did Australia only get one vote? That is nigh on the equal of England in terms of injustice but in their case it being the bidding. A nation of their sporting heritage and what they could offer as a legacy too, an insult.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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How the hell did Australia only get one vote? That is nigh on the equal of England in terms of injustice but in their case it being the bidding. A nation of their sporting heritage and what they could offer as a legacy too, an insult.
Do we ever get to find out? Or do we just get the numbers we've got?
Well done to the British press/media also
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Since winning the election, this is the first time he's really stepped up and shown his face and got behind something infront of the whole public...he thought he'd be in the papers getting all the positive press - and we don't get it.
Congratulations to Russia and Qatar.
And he does not even like football.
Exactly, based on this logic and the fact that Europe & Asia are ruled out for 2026, I'm expecting that to go to Cuba.
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Every cloud...
We weren't even supposed to get the numbers we got. I suspect there were leaks.
Originally Posted by Tibs
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Since winning the election, this is the first time he's really stepped up and shown his face and got behind something infront of the whole public...he thought he'd be in the papers getting all the positive press - and we don't get it.
Congratulations to Russia and Qatar.
And was on record saying it was pointless and corrupt.
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Since winning the election, this is the first time he's really stepped up and shown his face and got behind something infront of the whole public...he thought he'd be in the papers getting all the positive press - and we don't get it.
Congratulations to Russia and Qatar.
And was on record saying it was pointless and corrupt.
The same sort of generalisations could be made about any other country, 20 families in Qatar is equivalent to 4400 families in the USA, that's the massive wealth of Rockefeller family, the Morgan family, the Ford family, the Vanderbilt family etc. before you even make a dent in this. Or the UK's 440 families e.g. Mital, Abramovich, Grosvenor, Bertarelli etc. Or the Ireland's top 44 e.g. Weston, O'Reily, Dorrance, Desmond, Quinn, Ryan etc.
You forget that these 20 families (approx 400 people assuming the 8 per family ratio holds up) that "have 90% of the wealth" employ may be 50-60% of the population. In terms of Qatar's median income is $46000 compare that to Japan's $3800. If the 20 Qatari families horded its wealth to itself then this figure would be near third world proportions.
The average engineer in Qatar earns four times as much as his UK equivalent, as does the average accountant, the average doctor or dentist three times more. So the middle class in Qatar earns higher. What we in Europe would term "working class" gets it quite good too, the average bricklayer in Qatar probably earns 5-10 times as much as their UK equivalent.
Add this to the fact that the unemployment rate is a miserly 0.5%, i.e. 7000 people, compared to the UK's (7.7%, 5 million)
The vast majority of Qataris are quite well off, (with at least 7000 not so), the health service there is a non-profit entity and there is low poverty.
Of course it's not the full picture, but obviously Qatar's lumpenproletariat hasn't made any sort of major dent on its figures in comparison to any Western nation, it's still obviously not great for the 7000 people unemployed, any unregistered exploited migrant workers, those on miserly wages and those on the lower ends of the pay structure and indeed the effects of the much higher cost of living, are also not revealed by these figures.
to be honest, it stinks like the South African world cup. FIFA paid millions in kickbacks and built local stadium, local club grounds etc for them, just so that they could have the WC there. Daresay this is as corrupt
In fairness, if he didn't participate heavily in the bid, he would have been accused of not caring and of being detached from the public.
I think you are agreeing then with feck FIFA off from an England perspective, what's the point, why bother if they are a law unto themselves. The problem is, they don't start their bidding process, with clarity on their criteria. What's the point with the bid book and the technical critera? I would expect my suppliers to walk away if I iussed an RFP and then ignired the reward criteria. It's clear that there is no point in England bidding for future tournaments.
The reason I say this is, FIFA suspends international football associations from competitions for many reasons...for example, Political involvement by the government.
So if it can 'meddle' into the affairs of a member nation, surely that nation is a stakeholder in the overall makeup of FIFA, and has a right to except accountability from FIFA(not just for this vote, I mean even the mundane day to day stuff)
Guess to bide time to negotiate the bribes.
2nded.
Sammsky is missing the point with a lot of this - it's not solely because england didnt get it that some people are angered by fifa. It's that the tournament is now given to whoever is least best equipped to put it on so FIFA can spread the game, as it were.
If they are intent on doing that then why let countries like england and spain bid? It's a huge waste of time. Oh, except for the factFIFA loves being pampered and arse licked by politicians, royals and celebrities so they encourage the elaborate process.
If you allow countries to bid then the winner should be whoever makes the best bid and in this case englands bid was the sole bid that got 100% rating for its technical aspects in the race for 2018. If russia wants the world cup then they should put that in place before trying to get it!
Que Sera Sera
Whatever will be will be
We're going to Sports City in Doha
Que Sera Sera
Whatever will be will be
We're going to Sports City in Doha
Que Sera Sera
We knew that already.
Not that he's wrong about that...
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Since winning the election, this is the first time he's really stepped up and shown his face and got behind something infront of the whole public...he thought he'd be in the papers getting all the positive press - and we don't get it.
Congratulations to Russia and Qatar.
I'm not sure what your point is, dammed if he did support, and dammed if he didn't.
I find it hilarious how Robbie Earle sold on a few of the tickets he was given by ITV for this summer's world cup and got fired immediately, but when Jack Warner makes $1million out of selling on 2006 world cup tickets he was fined and kept his job.
Says it all about FIFA.
Says it all about FIFA.
Sky going on about how great the presentation was today. I thought it was horribly cringe worthy and ultra-cheesy. William and Cameron made me feel ill and Beckham's stuff about his grandfather was rotten.
If I was on the panel and was undecided todays presentation would have steered me against England
If I was on the panel and was undecided todays presentation would have steered me against England
First of all....lets all laugh at:
Since winning the election, this is the first time he's really stepped up and shown his face and got behind something infront of the whole public...he thought he'd be in the papers getting all the positive press - and we don't get it.
Congratulations to Russia and Qatar.
So you missed the emergency budget and comprehensive spending review then.
Putin isn't being damned (except by the US)
I was hoping England would get 2018 and the States would get 2022 so I could go to both of them. fecking FIFA, England most definitely needed to get it without a shadow of a doubt.
2.4 Million - 7.7% of the workforce, not the population.
Brilliantly put mate!
cue the next Panorama expose. this could get interesting.
I'd love to see Blatter, Platini etc getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak, but won't hold my breath for it.
I'd love to see Blatter, Platini etc getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak, but won't hold my breath for it.
On reflection, I think Samm and Rood are probably right. FIFA want to push the world cup out to new frontiers and naturally Russia and Qatar fit that description. Our bid was brilliant but didn't excite FIFA enough. Essentially FIFA wants a legacy, I'm not sure a England WC would've given them one, just as Spain, US, Japan et al wouldn't have'd either. Which is a crying shame for football fans in this country but there you go.
Great post packed full of opinion as always. Some of it makes snese and I agree with and some I dont.
The biggest point of difference we have is about how to develop interest. The Middle East is football mad and indeed invest many £millions to the likes of SKY for viewing rights. And so they already have huge vested interest in how football have evolved over the years. To put it simply, alot of arab money already props up many clubs in the PL beyond the Manchester Massive.
By hosting the tournament to Qatar in 10 years time is a masterstroke in terms of developing football in the region. For the next 10 years, there will be an amazing anticipation and injection of interest into the game. many millions of new fans will be created and an entire generation of young kids will enter the game dreaming of playing in that tournament. Such a transformation is a closer match to FIFAs stated corporate vision than what would have been achieved by awarding the games to a country that already has a deep fascination with the game.
Englands bid in particular was fundamentally flawed in this aspect. Talks of 'legacy' in the England bid was laughable ..... we already have a very saturated market with massive levels of consumption and interest. Hosting the world cup in England would also serve to enhance the nations ego - it would certainly not enhance the popularity of the game nor improve the infrastructure as both are already of world class standards.
So by awarding it to newer footballing nations who have less well developed footballing infrastructures and capabilities is a laudable thing to do and IMO should be congratulated.
Of course the outdated and deluded elitist and imperialist nature of some Englishmen ( as evidenced throughout this thread: "we invented the game ... its our game!") cannot see any of this and so cry foul.
It is believed to have been Issa Hayatou i think, returning our support for his bid to become FIFA President.
Barack Obama has spoken - It was the wrong decision to give the WC to Qatar.
Good job Agent Barack.
Good job Agent Barack.
Did England really spend 463m on this bid
What a waste
What a waste
.. I don't think anyone's debating that that agenda isn't a worthwhile one...But the fact that it's their sole agenda is a shame for all football fans. There was obviously no point in us bidding. Ever. Or anyone else for that matter, and technical merit counts for nothing.
But neither Oz nor USA filfilled your criteria either so you would still have had the same complaint?
Selfish was probably a bit harsh, but I dont see why a football fan in the Middle East shouldnt have the chance to watch the WC.
For the record I would have favoured Oz over Qatar but they are hardly a footballing hotbed so the issues are the same. Plus when you look at the 2 bids then there a lot of reasons why the Qatari one makes more sense (geography, time zones for tv, size of country etc).
I was very against USA/Japan/Korea bids and in fact I dont think those countries should even have been allowed to apply due to having hosted in recent times.
At the end I think various factors came to play and it sounded like it was a 50/50 chance for most of the way with England getting the vote based on bid and Russia getting it on politics. Our media made sure that balance was tilted very firmly against us in the final run in.
I agree there are issues about agendas and politics within FIFA and the whole organisation is a sham, but the Russian's still have a strong bid in their own right.
I can understand the disappointment at England missing out, I also hoped we would get it but have been saying for some time that I feared the media had put the final nail in the coffin for our bid. Turns out the positive feeling in past few days was all a load of bollocks as well.
If you look at it then England really missed its chance in 2006 and the blame for that is 100% on our spastic hooligan twats. Even at that time we were favorites until something unrelated to the bid fecked it all up at the last minute.
Always shooting ourselves in the foot one way or the other.
*sigh* He's not wrong, but I guess we can forget about 2026.
Nah mate, its you who is missing the point .... its not about who is the 'best equipped right now', its about who will be the best equipped at the time of the tournament, in Qatar's case, in 10 years time.
Some of Qatar's proposed technology and science is amazing!!! And the legacy that hosts like Russia and Qatar will provide the game of football is far far superior than anything England could give the game.
England has been an amazing contributor to the world of football from its creation all the way through to the development of the Premier League. But I think the contribution it came make to growing the game has maxed out. Russia and Qatar will provide far more new fans to the game than England can over the next 10 years.
Erm, He's an Aston Villa fan.
For what it's worth Nick Clegg supports Arsenal, Ed Miliband supports Leeds, whilst David Fargare of UKIP supports Hangelton Rangers’ Under Tens.
Football coach sacked for accepting political donations (From The Argus)
What, air conditioners?
No, you're too nice. The whole thing is a joke and despite what Mockers says it IS a travelling circus headed for the most enthusiastic padder of Fifa official's back pocket.
Two votes. Even the Eurovision is less agenda driven.
I can't get my head them awarding the 2022 Finals at the same time. And where were the Western Europe bids for that one? It's a fecking disgrace that Western Europe, the home and heartland of football will go 20 years without hosting one.
These Fifa cnuts need fecking.