I honestly do not know anyone who travels to the middle east in the summer unless they have to.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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I honestly do not know anyone who travels to the middle east in the summer unless they have to.
There's going be some shit being leaked about the FIFA WC voting over the coming weeks... anyway, watch NewsNight on BBC2 right now!
Right, so they're supposed to stay in hotels and travel to and from the stadium on these a/c transportation. I wonder what they'll do the other 20 hours of the day when there is no football on.
The World Cup is a great reason for many people to visit a country and most of those people may just like to go see what the country has to offer, rather than stay indoors all day. But that's just me, I guess...
UEFA and AFC. If only Australia hadn't changed confederations...
£15 million spent on getting TWO votes....one of them Englands.
You have to wonder about all the optimism over the last few days. The intention clearly to humiliate England and FIFA succeeded wonderfully.
So who is to blame?.
Well obviously the default position of little Englanders is to blame Johnny Foreigner. Not to be trusted as the Pub Landlord might say.
or "the English are never beaten fairly" as George Bernard Shaw might say.
But I see the 2018 bid in the context of the 2012 Olympics. England (or London) won that bid. And its a disaster of spirally costs which will of course make a few people rich.
If Football is reallya world game, then Russia deserves it. Fair play to them.
Not so sure about Qatar.
But the thing that gets me is the money spent.
When money is spent it just does not disappear.
Nor did it all disappear into the back pockets of delegates.
But where did it go.
Who is £15 million better off......who are the PR companies etc?
An itemised account would be interesting and for two votes......VERY interesting.
You have to wonder about all the optimism over the last few days. The intention clearly to humiliate England and FIFA succeeded wonderfully.
So who is to blame?.
Well obviously the default position of little Englanders is to blame Johnny Foreigner. Not to be trusted as the Pub Landlord might say.
or "the English are never beaten fairly" as George Bernard Shaw might say.
But I see the 2018 bid in the context of the 2012 Olympics. England (or London) won that bid. And its a disaster of spirally costs which will of course make a few people rich.
If Football is reallya world game, then Russia deserves it. Fair play to them.
Not so sure about Qatar.
But the thing that gets me is the money spent.
When money is spent it just does not disappear.
Nor did it all disappear into the back pockets of delegates.
But where did it go.
Who is £15 million better off......who are the PR companies etc?
An itemised account would be interesting and for two votes......VERY interesting.
No bid from Uefa or AFC for 2026, no bid from AFC for 2030 as the rules stand.
But I'm sure those rules can be changed if China suddenly fill Blatter's coffers with enough RMB, or the AFC can just breakup into 2.
Anyone have a better guess for who voted England than the US?
Well obviously the people living here leave for a holiday, but there's plenty of tourism during the summer.
I wonder if the tourism includes hanging by the sea in very little clothing?
Actually, i have just found a little island somewhere in the arctic circle and am founding the fine nation of Walrusville.
Now as you can imagine, with my new nation, the economy and infrastructure isnt quite "there" yet and i could do with something like a world cup to give it the boost it needs. Obviously as national leader i would get a small slice of the pie, but thats to be expected right?
There you are then lads, Walrusville 2026.
Exactly. I went to South Africa and wouldn't have gone if it was in Qatar. I went because of the football and because it seemed like a great country to visit. The football only happens once in a while but you are there checking the country out the rest of the time
As far as the weather, I and a few hundred other people still have nightmares of freezing as we had to walk across a tiny pedestrian bridge after the final. Absolute fecking nightmare, so let's not pretend like all will go well with the AC dream
Oi, I posted about 20 pages ago that I'm planning to front Antarctica'd bid for 2026 - the final frontier.
Surely if 50C is acceptable, so is -50C.
....and then there's this....
Knowing what the temps are like in the ME I'll go with T2000's view of the weather out there.
Watching newsnight - not sure of his name but a guy was suggesting englands problem is fifa still see them as an outsider and they dont 'network' enough. It speaks volumes - balls to how impressive your bid is you haven't sucked my cock long enough or tickled my balls with enough tenderness so no world cup for you. Blatter is such a cnut. As is jack warner. The fact those two men hold as much power as they do says everything.
Well there will be 2/3 matches a day for a start so it often doesnt leave that much free time for those who are just there for the footy.
These Gulf countries are all gearing up for tourism heat. It is all about fine dining, shopping malls, art galleries, indoor theme parks etc - it is not really my kettle of fish to be honest but plenty of people are lapping it up in Dubai etc.
I went to Japan with a bunch of people in 2002 - some of the lads we met did not see anything of Japan apart from stadiums and bars where they showed footy. Personally, I did spend time travelling the country but there are all types out there.
Issey from the African confederation. England supported his bid for the presidency of FIFA, and he returned the favour.
I am all for football developing countries be given the chance to host a WC. I do think however that they should prove their worth in either at some time qualifying for a WC or by their FIFA rankings.
Yes, I know people will say that how can countries develop football if they don't have the right to stage the WC. My argument there is , develop and show the world you are capable of fielding a World Class Team, qualify for a final at some stage and then ask to stage a WC.
The World Cup is about the best teams in the world playing for the trophy, countries that have helped develop the game in one way or the other. It is not a tournament, IMO, that can be bandied about the world to minor nations that will offer no more to the football world than some nice new stadiums and will more than likely do more damage than good for the game.
There HAS to be some "football" criteria imposed before any country can bid for the WC.
I am of course talking about Qatar.
Yes, I know people will say that how can countries develop football if they don't have the right to stage the WC. My argument there is , develop and show the world you are capable of fielding a World Class Team, qualify for a final at some stage and then ask to stage a WC.
The World Cup is about the best teams in the world playing for the trophy, countries that have helped develop the game in one way or the other. It is not a tournament, IMO, that can be bandied about the world to minor nations that will offer no more to the football world than some nice new stadiums and will more than likely do more damage than good for the game.
There HAS to be some "football" criteria imposed before any country can bid for the WC.
I am of course talking about Qatar.
Ah, that makes sense. England might have out strategic voted themselves.
Clearly the Russian supporters were doing the same.Well, I went to both France 98 and Japan 02 and spent most of the time travelling the countries in between games and had a great time. Guess you're right regarding different people liking different things...
I'm certainly not going even if I get free tickets again...
This, I think a Fifa ranking within 50 is just about fair.
Qatar are ranked 113, plain ludicrous.
The WC hosts are supposed to be chosen by objective assessments...if FIFA can't objectively assess then they shouldn't be doing the judging.
We need a footballing body who can judge without needing their arses kissed.
Fiji for 2026 I say
Well, they've given the 2 WCs to the 2 bids that have the highest risks according to their own report.
The message is loud and clear - RISK IS GOOD
Anyway, good night everyone...
if I were Dutch, i'd be gutted right now, they have qualified for 3 finals, any never hosted a World Cup, that doesn't seem fair to me!
You'd think wouldnt you? The fact they make host nations alter laws during the duration of the tournaments shows how unaccountable they are to anybody who works with them.
Interesting piece actually - some good questions asked about how FA is set up and how they managed to get it completely wrong in how the bid was set up.
A good point was made about how the one English member of FIFA Exec Commitee (Geoff Thompson?) wasnt involved in the presentation at all - there were apparently issues between him and the bid team all along.
Bridges were clearly burnt a long time back with the Triesmann scandal and all the other media bollocks - sending in Cameron, Prince Will and Beckham was a complete waste of time as it was too little, too late - quite an embarassment for us really.
Not to mention £15m pissed down the drain by the FA - when you add in the huge overspend on Wembley and a couple of massive severance packages for Sven and McClaren - is it not hard to see why there is talk of financial issues at the FA.
Yes. Then again, the FA has got a long history of feck ups. And Mihar Bose talked sense, we need to be more involved in FIFA.
Can I say I don't begrudge Qatar at all, nor do I doubt their ability to host what will more than likely be a good tournament. What I have a problem with is Fifa's system in all of this and their decisions in it all.
Yes - that much is clear.
FA do not have a good relationship with UEFA or FIFA - if we want the WC then that will have to change.
We have the choice; play the game FIFA's way or tell them to go and feck themselves and that we dont want anything to do with their version of the game. Gaging the general feeling in this thread, I would say that many people would go for the later!
We've got 17 years before we can go again, I say let the press loose on them fully unitl 2020, then get on their side.
The fact is that Russia and Qatar were technically the weakest bids yet both got it. Football isn't that popular in Russia. There will be empty stadiums, and very little magic. The other 3 bids were all much stronger. We all know corrupt how the Russian government and FIFA are.
As for Qatar... feckin Qatar ffs!
Coming back to England, yes the FA are pretty useless to a certain extent. However, A WC in England would have just been what the WC needed. That's the irony.
The thing is, I think it's a good thing England didnt get it (though I never imagined they would) as I think that the guarantees demanded by FIFA are toally unaccpetable. They can find some other sucker as far as I am concerned.
As for Qatar... feckin Qatar ffs!
Coming back to England, yes the FA are pretty useless to a certain extent. However, A WC in England would have just been what the WC needed. That's the irony.
The thing is, I think it's a good thing England didnt get it (though I never imagined they would) as I think that the guarantees demanded by FIFA are toally unaccpetable. They can find some other sucker as far as I am concerned.
Every round of the Fa Cup, for every club, at Wembley next year then
I totally agree, complete exemption from taxation and a visa waiver for anyone entering the country is not what I call hosting. Look at it in the context of the new cap in Non-EU Migrants we set recently, we will be letting in around 30,000 people a year from outside the EEA (EU + Iceland, Norway, Switzerland) and all of a sudden for a four week period in 2018, for the first time in our history we would allow absolutely anybody to come through passport control irrespective of circumstances - from that perspective it would be a disaster waiting to happen.
How much is there really to do in Qatar? Whether or not you are going there for the football or not, you will want to see other aspects of the country. South Africa, France, Korea/Japan. All had more than just the football to see. Not saying that Qatar doesn't have anything, but there is a reason tourism isn't exactly the most successful industry there.
Then it comes down to cultural aspects as well. Women journalists and supporters. Would they have to walk around in burkhas all day, in that heat?
Let's not forget the sights of those empty seats at the world cup in South Africa in the group stages, for nearly every game that didn't have South Africa playing. Will it be any different at Qatar 2022?
I read an interesting article this morning in the NY Times. (Pardon the use of the word soccer)
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/sports/soccer/03vecsey.html?_r=1&ref=sports
I'm not too fussed about Russia though. Moscow mmmm..
Yes now would be a good time to send in the dogs (the press) to go and dig around for some real dirt on the FIFA Execs - like you say we dont need anything from them for a while now!
Two vote's for England! Doesn't it say you something?
The people who vote's are not neutral. Why should they? They will protect their interest and they know that every vote is valuable. If you want their vote then you have to give them something. Apparently some offered more then the others. This election is not about who is best. It's political and if you don't play that game you will loose.
The people who vote's are not neutral. Why should they? They will protect their interest and they know that every vote is valuable. If you want their vote then you have to give them something. Apparently some offered more then the others. This election is not about who is best. It's political and if you don't play that game you will loose.
Has anyone seen advance pages of tomorrows newspapers yet?
I think the fact that certain votes were cast for Holland/belgium, then changed to Russia after England were knocked out in the first round even though Holland were still in it speaks volumes.
The fact you seem determined to blame the press for EVERYTHING is hugely disingenuous Rood. I agree about the Panorama programme, but our press cannot possibly account for the fact that the best technical bid, with the best risk assesment got 1 vote from uninvolved parties....it simply can't. It's an argument by diversion! And if it does, then that hardly says a lot about FIFA's noble motives to deliver the best WC for football and it's fans. Which ever way you look at it, they can't shoulder the main of the blame.
Or simply be more involved...which can bring on a change - if that's what the FA want. But they can't expect things to change by looking in from the periphery, which is what they've historically done. I was as gutted as anyone, I was looking forward to seeing topless Brazilian women dance through Market Street in a carnival like atmosphere but heh topless fat Geordie blokes are just as good. So I'm not complaining.