RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

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Did you see this, Hectic?

I am interested in your view as I'd like to hear a rational opinion of why you think Benitez ruins clubs.

I didn't say he ruins clubs. Point me out where I said that. Instead, I was highlighting the comparison as a silly one. Houllier's position today compared to how he fared with Liverpool doesn't work at all, situation, players, club, I don't see it as a valid comparison of how Houllier fares with competition, hence the Rafa equivalent comment, which is the same thing.

Interesting though, that when I say 'Look what Rafa is doing at Inter' you automatically assume my point is that he is that he ruins clubs.
 
I didn't say he ruins clubs. Point me out where I said that. Instead, I was highlighting the comparison as a silly one. Houllier's position today compared to how he fared with Liverpool doesn't work at all, situation, players, club, I don't see it as a valid comparison of how Houllier fares with competition, hence the Rafa equivalent comment, which is the same thing.

Interesting though, that when I say 'Look what Rafa is doing at Inter' you automatically assume my point is that he is that he ruins clubs.

My bad.

Most on here think he ruins clubs and I lazily assumed you thought similarly.

Obviously you don't.

We can move on then!
 
I don't follow Inter or Italian football and I don't care as much as you lot how Rafa is doing there.

So you will take it from us that he's doing a pretty awful job. Well, it's beyond awful really.
 
My bad.

Most on here think he ruins clubs and I lazily assumed you thought similarly.

Obviously you don't.

We can move on then!

I don't think he ruins clubs, I said the same thing earlier, I think that view of him being useless or somehow the destruction of teams is a complete over exaggeration. You can't achieve what he has if that is it.

However, I think he has taken clubs into decline, well, Liverpool - but that's my perception of the team before and after, and I don't see it as concrete either way - debatable. And also Inter, who he was unlucky to inherit after they had won everything, that said, he's doing his best to win absolutely nothing.

He's clearly not as bad a manager as some make him out to be, but he is by no means the victim and saint as others paint, he certainly has his downfalls.
 
So you will take it from us that he's doing a pretty awful job. Well, it's beyond awful really.

Yeah, it seems he is. But I am not disputing that because:

a) I would be wrong, and;

b) I simply don't care how Benitez is doing at Inter.
 
I should have added, which have manifested themselves in more recent times, which I think is fair.
 
Who promoted the miracle retard? But he's been watched to be fair.
 
I should have added, which have manifested themselves in more recent times, which I think is fair.

I agree with this also. He seems to have fallen off a cliff in the past 18 months. If he doesn't turn it round at Inter and gets the spanish archer, he should take some time out.

Maybe shed some pounds. :)
 
I don't follow Inter or Italian football and I don't care as much as you lot how Rafa is doing there.

Yet you talk about Benitez more than anyone here. Funny that.

You like to paint yourself as being a bit ambivalent when it comes to Benitez, yet in every single thread where Benitez is mentioned you're there like a bad smell with your Benitez PR campaign.

It was quite funny the other day when you brought up Benitez in a thread totally unrelated to him, then bizarrely accused the United fans of turning the argument onto Rafa when they responded to your post.

That just about sums you up.
 
which retard are you talking about, Spoony? ;)

Liverpool fan masquerading as a Gooner. I find him odd. But everyone knows what I'd do to this place. Delete half the members and create a net utopia.
 
A neutopia?
 
We need some RAWK posts to get this thread back on track.

It seems a lot of them have convinced themselves that Inter will draw Man Utd or Real in the next round and Rafa will prove his worth again.
 
If that's the case, I really hope you don't explode if we smash them. Because apparently you don't really care about Inter or Benitez ;)

That tie is win win for me.

Happy Birthday for next week btw. :)

edit: win draw actually would be more apt.
 
Also, it's a bit harsh to blame Benitez for the first season. That side really wasn't great, but it's fair enough to blame him for the last. Hodgson really does have a tough task ahead of him, principally because, as you say, there's even more competition now than there was when Benitez was around.
A bit harsh to blame him for the failures of the first season, but he gets all the credit for the success, and anyone giving any of it to Houllier is a revisionist fool?

As others have stated, I'm in the mid-point boat, but you can't have it both ways. Just like your lambasting of people for judging Rafa on his Inter performance, but confidently declare that judging Houllier on his Villa performance is totally acceptable.

If your stance is going to be that people are idiots for making a particular value judgement - probably best not to repeat exactly the same mistake yourself.
 
What Rafa is good at:

Cup runs.
Being the underdog.
Tactics.
Defensive play/Avoiding defeat.
Public relations (at least with Liverpool).

What Rafa is bad at:

Man management.
Maintaining any advantage/superior position.
Going for the jugular/Creative, attacking play.

What Rafa is hit and miss at:

Transfer market (more miss than hit, but I'm in a charitable mood).
 
What Rafa is good at:

Cup runs.
Being the underdog.
Tactics.
Defensive play/Avoiding defeat.
Public relations (at least with Liverpool).

What Rafa is bad at:

Man management.
Maintaining any advantage/superior position.
Going for the jugular/Creative, attacking play.

What Rafa is hit and miss at:

Transfer market (more miss than hit, but I'm in a charitable mood).

Very fair summary I'd say.
 
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