Thing is, you'll criticize Webb for being biased against you, we will criticize him for being biased against us, and truth is he was poor all in all, not biased either way.
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Thing is, you'll criticize Webb for being biased against you, we will criticize him for being biased against us, and truth is he was poor all in all, not biased either way.
Wenger saying it was a very bad pitch.
Wenger's blaming the pitch. Twat.
I see that point - he didn't help you out on occasions too. But when it comes down to it, he gave you a massively dodgy decision that could have seen you finish the game. Rooney's penalty was utterly bizarre, almost as if he was trying to miss. Say Webb makes five mistakes in our favour, which are all minor ones, that doesn't make up for the fact that he made a huge error in awarding you a penalty, which wasn't in any way one.
Nasri was boooked for a tackle he made in the build up to the penalty decision, not for questioning it. I agree Fletcher should have been booked for what he did, but Webb lost control of the game after about 5 minutes.
He's been watching too much cricket lately....
He is the first and will be the last one to complain about the pitch at one of the best stadiums in the world.
yeah Webb was favouring us..you sound worse than RAWK. If Webb had done his job by the book, you lot would have ended with 9 players...at least.
just admit Wenger was outsmarted tactically.
Fletcher, Anderson Carrick and the rest did what they were supposed to do.
Nani should have scored one and made another...which would have made it 3...Rooney should have made it 4....
Whinger blames the pitch.
Sorry cant agree, I dont think it was a case of two sides playing poorly. This game was all about control and Utd controlled the game by not allowing arse to play their normal game. I saw enough out there to know that Arse will be right in the mix till the final game. Fletcher off the ball and defensively was first class. There is more to football than what you do with the ball, sometimes what you do when you dont have the ball is just as important and thats what won the game today, the team the were more disciplined, composed and organised off the ball won.
Didnt think it was a fair penalty, justice done when roo knocked it out of OT.
fecking arse had nothing NOTHING going forward what so ever bringing on van persie and fabergas made you lot even worse feck off
Great result, was bobbing myself there for a solid twenty minutes in the 2nd half, and its great to be top of the table again. Game in hand ain't bad either. 
Defensively we played well but Arsenal came to our place and had large spells were we just couldn't get the ball off them and when we did get it we became England and the old 5 pass and its gone game/long ball. You have to give them credit for that, not many teams do that to us. The game was reminiscent of Barcelona 1-0 semi at OT in some ways.
However when we did go forward we looked more dangerous than them with quick counters and had a few good chances. That chance they had saved by VDS into the box was worth a goal though and I'm glad they didn't get the luck we did with ours.
Defensively we played well but Arsenal came to our place and had large spells were we just couldn't get the ball off them and when we did get it we became England and the old 5 pass and its gone game/long ball. You have to give them credit for that, not many teams do that to us. The game was reminiscent of Barcelona 1-0 semi at OT in some ways.
However when we did go forward we looked more dangerous than them with quick counters and had a few good chances. That chance they had saved by VDS into the box was worth a goal though and I'm glad they didn't get the luck we did with ours.
yeah Webb was favouring us..you sound worse than RAWK. If Webb had done his job by the book, you lot would have ended with 9 players...at least.
just admit Wenger was outsmarted tactically.
Fletcher, Anderson Carrick and the rest did what they were supposed to do.
Nani should have scored one and made another...which would have made it 3...Rooney should have made it 4....
He's a LFC fan, Dreamsy. An oddity.
More down to the linesman, than Webb. He seemed to think he moved his hand towards the ball, when he didn't.
Really? Fair enough, seemed to me he said "feck off" at Webb, and was rightly given a yellow for dissent.
That aside, the rules on dissent have to be clearer. I don't get how Fletcher(just referring to this evening, it happens with loads of players every week) can swear at multiple officials and run yards and yards to scream abuse at them, and not be disciplined for it. We're guilty of it too on occasion, and it should be punished.
I thought the pitch looked quite sweet today IMO. Poor excuse tbh, he hyped his team up so much and they performed badly.
Come on Alastair, don't embarrass yourself. I thought you'd take defeat better than the others.
You got away with murder in the first half, with countless dirty fouls not punished. And don't forget the Chamakh handball which was a much clearer penalty than the Clichy one (case of evening out?).
You must be disappointed that Arsenal came to play anti-football. 17 fouls to our 8 tells its own story. 1-0 fair result due to our wastefulness in good positions.
sounds like you have Not calmed down. the ref had no choice but to award the kick as the assistant waved that it was a deliberate handball.
personally I thought it was 50/50..
I don't see how you can actually come to that conclusion about Webb. The Rio one was nothing really. Any sensible referee will do nothing about it. Reason your lot got dealt that way in terms of cards was not becAuse of really bad tackles, rather the number of fouls arsenal racked up.
I do agree that no team played particularly great. It was basically more of a battle. But we won that battle. As we often are with arsenal we got it typically right and won the battle in midfield.
Finally I must I was shocked by how little arsenAL has going forward.
What you say is true, and you did play admirably off the ball - in the last ten minutes, we could barely create a chance, which spoke volumes about how well you defended. I personally thought Fletcher has had better games on the ball, but yeh, off the ball he was fine.
The thing is, these games are marginal. I thought we defended well as a team - your goal was caused by a decent block by Clichy, and a fortunate/wonderful header by Park. It was unfortunate on our part, because I don't think we were vastly inferior to you lot in an organisational sense, until we started chasing the game, which clearly leaves gaps.
..yes. I have noticed that...he sounds absolutely gutted when they lose and defends them more than the 'honest' scousers...
errr...sorry about the 'honest scouser' bit
I will wait for a level headed perspective from Jopub thank you very much...
There were many times Webb did not give us fouls as well.
Clear block on Fletchr when he was in a good position. Song himself needed to foul some 25 times before getting a card.
Great result, was bobbing myself there for a solid twenty minutes in the 2nd half, and its great to be top of the table again. Game in hand ain't bad either.
Defensively we played well but Arsenal came to our place and had large spells were we just couldn't get the ball off them and when we did get it we became England and the old 5 pass and its gone game/long ball. You have to give them credit for that, not many teams do that to us. The game was reminiscent of Barcelona 1-0 semi at OT in some ways.
However when we did go forward we looked more dangerous than them with quick counters and had a few good chances. That chance they had saved by VDS into the box was worth a goal though and I'm glad they didn't get the luck we did with ours.
But thats clearly how Fergie set us up to play arse and all the teams having success against arse are doing the same thing.
Force them wide, drop deep and get players behind the ball, kill off the space around the edge of the penalty spot, dont dive in, track your runners and your player till the passing option to them has died.
We let them have that possession on purpose. Arse play a game where if you give them space off the ball they will kill you. The way around that is to kill off the space in the dangerous third and especially around the penalty box.
They played into fergies hands and wenger didnt have a counter for it this time.
We were trying to hit them on the break, classic counter attack stuff. The key to counter attacking isnt the actual counter attack, its how you set up defensively with an intent to counter.
Thats was the most controlled and tactically excellent game we have played. We wont play that way against other teams but against arse that was spot on.
Fergie nailed it.
Come on Alastair, don't embarrass yourself. I thought you'd take defeat better than the others.
You got away with murder in the first half, with countless dirty fouls not punished. And don't forget the Chamakh handball which was a much clearer penalty than the Clichy one (case of evening out?).
You must be disappointed that Arsenal came to play anti-football. 17 fouls to our 8 tells its own story. 1-0 fair result due to our wastefulness in good positions.
I don't think we came to play anti-football, we just played so poorly, and looked off the pace at times, so we committed more fouls. 17 fouls of which about 4 weren't fouls, so that wasn't too bad in a disciplinary sense.
Chamakh's handball was the correct decision I thought, because he didn't move his hand towards the ball, which is what I believed to be the rule. Clichy's was identical in that case - neither moved their hand towards the ball. Either you give both, or you give neither.
I've taken defeat quite well to be fair, we were bloody awful tonight. But I don't think the officiating helped us remotely.
not even his team...he fecked up tactically.
The idea of weighting the mistakes is so arbitrary though. I don't think the penalty has any bearing on the game. In fact, I'd say it gave Arsenal a bit of a boost. And it should be noted that the linesman gave the ref the heads up about the peno. I didn't think he had a great view and was (wrongly) led by his assistant. Webb lost the game early in the first half when there were five or six tactical fouls by Arsenal players in relatively quick succession and he didn't draw a line in the sand by giving a yellow. That ensured it became a niggly sort of game.
The fact is, penalty or not, your lot didn't pose a threat for most of the game. We keep hearing that you take positives out of the games against us but really all I saw was some decent play in front of us. I never thought you had the guile to open us up, even when Fabregas and VP came on. That's fine against teams that can't defend but if that was your latest test it's hard to escape the feeling that you well and truly failed it.
I dont think Arse were dirty, its become one of those things that everyone says now the moment an arse player commits a foul. There were no malicious tackles with intent, a couple of late ones but mostly arse were simply being competitive.
Well done on the win.
Webb is shit but we all knew that anyway.
Our new PIG looked alright. About the only positive.
Webb is shit but we all knew that anyway.
Our new PIG looked alright. About the only positive.
well today he would have a good reason to use it.
the only way Arsenal could have rattled us is to go for all out attack. risky sure...but they did not have have much of a choice.
I still feel Arsenal were not That bad today..they had their chances...and they were allowed to get away with murder by a dodgy ref as well
SAF got it right again with the tactics and team selection. We should have won by more than one goal.
Nah, the Chamakh one was very clumsy. The ball came a long way, he misjudged it and ended up playing it with his hand. Penalty for me.
Clichy's was from too close, so I don't think it's as clear-cut. The only thing you can say is that he's stopping Nani getting one on one with his hand.
All considered I don't think you can have many complaints about the ref. It's one of those games where each team is annoyed with the ref.
I was livid he didn't clamp down on Arsenal preventing our breaks.
Same old Arsenal.
All talk and fail to deliver.
All talk and fail to deliver.
agree about your goalie. he looked decent.
He's looked decent every time I've seen him. His distribution is a bit average though.
Yes, it transpired that the penalty gave us a boost, but it remains the case that on 90% of occasions, we'd have been 2-0 down and out of the game due to a shocking decision. I'd still rather he hadn't given the penalty.
I admitted we were poor - it's more frustrating this defeat than any other, because I don't believe it was tactical as such. Your goal wasn't from a counter attack, it was just a deflected cross and a good header. I'm undecided still whether that was entirely deliberate, but whatever, it went in.
If you look at the two games we've played against United and Chelsea this season, we may have lost both, but they haven't been similar to previous games. No goal we conceded was due to defensive frailty of naivity, it was down to a cracking finish, which in games like this, matter. It's often said that we struggle defensively, but in the two biggest games this season, we've struggled in front of goal. That was the downfall tonight - I wouldn't read too much into RVP and Cesc though, they weren't fit at all.
How many times have you seen him play? He just made his debut.