That was a good interview last night...shame the video seems to have disappeared from the sbs website.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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With a good reason, Australia would have been perfect for a World Cup - would go neatly with Blatter's "new horizons" vision as well.
Quite long so not sure how of you will bother to watch it but some good points covered ...
No chance of success when they had a clear vendetta. The media really didn't help either.
It's actually quite outrageous that FIFA are not even trying to hide their agenda. They should judge bids according to the criteria set out and that alone. The media 'attack' on FIFA would have had no bearing whatsoever on whether or not England would have hosted a successful World Cup. Given what was at stake and the amount of the money involved, any other organisation and you would possibly be looking at legal action.
FIFA and the corrupt scum bags who run it are in need of a shake up.
I'd say that is the understatement of the year! It is just common sense that you dont piss off those who's votes you want.
Potentially an interesting development. If the Swiss alter their legislation exempting FIFA from corruption allegations then it may pave the way for the allegations against FIFA to be investigated by someone other than FIFA themselves.
SSN twitter - FIFA President Sepp Blatter brands England 'Bad Losers' over reaction to failed World Cup bid
How dare we complain about a corrupt bidding process
Yes, not only does he seem content at appearing corrupt he's also seems content at appearing racist.
FIFA president Sepp Blatter has branded England 'bad losers', rejecting allegations of corruption after Russia and Qatar won the right to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups respectively.
England failed in their bid to host the 2018 World Cup, leading to claims that football's governing body are corrupt.
"To be honest, I was surprised by all the English complaining after the defeat. England, of all people, the motherland of fairplay ideas," Blatter told Swiss weekly magazine Weltwoche.
"Now some of them are showing themselves to be bad losers.
"You can't come afterwards and say so and so promised to vote for England. The results are known. The outcome came out clearly."
A documentary made by BBC's Panorama showed FIFA executive committee members talking about the cost of votes and showed how they could be won.
With the results announced it has led to Roger Burden, acting chairman of the Football Association, to withdraw his application for the position, stating that the issue of trust with Fifa members was his reason.
However, Blatter stated it was his vision of bringing football to other parts of the world and expanding football that influenced his decision.
"I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background. Some simply can't bear it if others get a chance for a change," Blatter said.
"What can be wrong if we start football in regions where this sport demonstrates a potential which goes far beyond sport?" he added.
The whole bidding process was marred by allegations of corruption, which led to two committee members being banned after revelations from The Sunday Times.
Blatter still remained confident that there is nothing wrong with what FIFA are doing but revealed he does want to clean up the image of the company.
"There is no systematic corruption in FIFA. That is nonsense," said Blatter.
"We are financially clean and clear.
"We need to improve our image. We also need to clarify some things within FIFA."
England failed in their bid to host the 2018 World Cup, leading to claims that football's governing body are corrupt.
"To be honest, I was surprised by all the English complaining after the defeat. England, of all people, the motherland of fairplay ideas," Blatter told Swiss weekly magazine Weltwoche.
"Now some of them are showing themselves to be bad losers.
"You can't come afterwards and say so and so promised to vote for England. The results are known. The outcome came out clearly."
A documentary made by BBC's Panorama showed FIFA executive committee members talking about the cost of votes and showed how they could be won.
With the results announced it has led to Roger Burden, acting chairman of the Football Association, to withdraw his application for the position, stating that the issue of trust with Fifa members was his reason.
However, Blatter stated it was his vision of bringing football to other parts of the world and expanding football that influenced his decision.
"I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background. Some simply can't bear it if others get a chance for a change," Blatter said.
"What can be wrong if we start football in regions where this sport demonstrates a potential which goes far beyond sport?" he added.
The whole bidding process was marred by allegations of corruption, which led to two committee members being banned after revelations from The Sunday Times.
Blatter still remained confident that there is nothing wrong with what FIFA are doing but revealed he does want to clean up the image of the company.
"There is no systematic corruption in FIFA. That is nonsense," said Blatter.
"We are financially clean and clear.
"We need to improve our image. We also need to clarify some things within FIFA."
The man needs to be shot.
No, he should be awarded a nobel peace prize and would fully deserve it.
He just insulted Christians. I bet the Muslims paid him off.
Blatter said:
That quote is interesting as he seems to acknowledge what we all know already, that there are problems within FIFA that need addressing.
One more quote of "And I need to stop being a colossal flapping vagina of a man" and it would seem we are well on our way.
I wouldnt hold your breath on that one !
Actually I just realised why Blatter is all of a sudden talking about improving FIFA - he is seeking re-election for another 4 years so probably wants to change the rules to make sure he cant be removed!
That's not at all what that quote said. He said "We need to improve our image." While you COULD go about that by actually cleaning up your act, you could also go the marketing route and just try to convince everyone you're not corrupt, while changing nothing.But I'm sure ol' Sepp wants nothing but honesty and transparency in the future.
Im just posting the questions but there is a lot more in this article so click the link ...
The five questions England's 2018 bid team must answer | David Conn | Sport | The Guardian
Will the public be given a full account of how our bid was conducted?
Was it wise to spend £18m on the bid?
What did England's bid team offer to Fifa executive committee members in return for votes?
Do our bid team believe Fifa is corrupt?
Should the bid have attacked the BBC for its investigation into alleged corruption at Fifa?
The five questions England's 2018 bid team must answer | David Conn | Sport | The Guardian
Will the public be given a full account of how our bid was conducted?
Was it wise to spend £18m on the bid?
What did England's bid team offer to Fifa executive committee members in return for votes?
Do our bid team believe Fifa is corrupt?
Should the bid have attacked the BBC for its investigation into alleged corruption at Fifa?
Do they disclose who votes for whom? That would be a good first step for fifa
No they don't - since 2022 is now sorted and is a very long 12 years away, there probably isnt going to be another bid process for quite some time. Will be interesting to see if anything does change between now and then.
FFA silent on Blatter blunder | Football - Soccer | Fox Sports
Football Federation Australia doesn't want to be lumped with "bad loser" England and won't react to FIFA president Sepp Blatter's bizarre belief that Australia's 2022 World Cup bid was to include matches in New Zealand.
In an interview with French newspaper L'Equipe, Blatter said Australia had proposed some games could be held in New Zealand, and that neighbouring countries of winning bidder Qatar could host games in the same fashion.
"Australia, in its candidacy bid, proposed to give several matches to New Zealand," Blatter said.
"I think it could be the same in Qatar and that some matches could take place in nearby countries."
Blatter didn't state which countries.
The FFA wouldn't comment on Blatter's statement or questions about whether it believed he had even read its bid book.
Blatter called England, which missed on the 2018 World Cup to Russia, a bad loser and accused it of showing "Western arrogance".
FFA confirmed that NZ was briefly considered in discussions two years ago but quickly ruled out without any further research into a joint bid.
It was then never mentioned in Australia's proposal to host the 2022 World Cup.
"Australia's bid for the 2022 FIFA World Cup at no stage included holding games in New Zealand," FFA head of media relations Rod Allen said.
"The bid proposal included in the bid book submitted to FIFA clearly centred on holding the event in 12 stadiums in 10 host cities - all of them in Australia.
"There was a brief discussion about New Zealand when the bid was first conceived two years ago but that option was quickly dismissed."
After receiving a glowing technical report from FIFA, Australia received only one vote in Zurich and was knocked out in the first round of voting by FIFA's executive committee.
Blatter denied vehemently there was corruption in FIFA and defended the choice of Qatar as a move to expand the game. He said the next regions FIFA must look to were China and India.
"With Qatar, we are opening football to a new world and a new culture," Blatter said.
"The Arab world, which has tried several times with Morocco or Egypt for example to host the World Cup, could legitimately lay claim to hosting this."
Blatter says finance was not a primary motivation for awarding the tournament to Qatar.
"If we had wanted to make money, we would have gone to the US," Blatter said.
"You must not forget that they (Qatar) have been making efforts for a while and have already hosted FIFA competitions like the under-20 World Cup."
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Isn't it great that the president of FIFA who is responsible for choosing where the greatest sporting event in the world is held, shows such great interest in actually examining the bids?
Football Federation Australia doesn't want to be lumped with "bad loser" England and won't react to FIFA president Sepp Blatter's bizarre belief that Australia's 2022 World Cup bid was to include matches in New Zealand.
In an interview with French newspaper L'Equipe, Blatter said Australia had proposed some games could be held in New Zealand, and that neighbouring countries of winning bidder Qatar could host games in the same fashion.
"Australia, in its candidacy bid, proposed to give several matches to New Zealand," Blatter said.
"I think it could be the same in Qatar and that some matches could take place in nearby countries."
Blatter didn't state which countries.
The FFA wouldn't comment on Blatter's statement or questions about whether it believed he had even read its bid book.
Blatter called England, which missed on the 2018 World Cup to Russia, a bad loser and accused it of showing "Western arrogance".
FFA confirmed that NZ was briefly considered in discussions two years ago but quickly ruled out without any further research into a joint bid.
It was then never mentioned in Australia's proposal to host the 2022 World Cup.
"Australia's bid for the 2022 FIFA World Cup at no stage included holding games in New Zealand," FFA head of media relations Rod Allen said.
"The bid proposal included in the bid book submitted to FIFA clearly centred on holding the event in 12 stadiums in 10 host cities - all of them in Australia.
"There was a brief discussion about New Zealand when the bid was first conceived two years ago but that option was quickly dismissed."
After receiving a glowing technical report from FIFA, Australia received only one vote in Zurich and was knocked out in the first round of voting by FIFA's executive committee.
Blatter denied vehemently there was corruption in FIFA and defended the choice of Qatar as a move to expand the game. He said the next regions FIFA must look to were China and India.
"With Qatar, we are opening football to a new world and a new culture," Blatter said.
"The Arab world, which has tried several times with Morocco or Egypt for example to host the World Cup, could legitimately lay claim to hosting this."
Blatter says finance was not a primary motivation for awarding the tournament to Qatar.
"If we had wanted to make money, we would have gone to the US," Blatter said.
"You must not forget that they (Qatar) have been making efforts for a while and have already hosted FIFA competitions like the under-20 World Cup."
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Isn't it great that the president of FIFA who is responsible for choosing where the greatest sporting event in the world is held, shows such great interest in actually examining the bids?
Isn't it great that the president of FIFA who is responsible for choosing where the greatest sporting event in the world is held, shows such great interest in actually examining the bids?
Well, this sums it up, guess which 2 are the worst bids according to Fifa themselves?
Cal, that was an open secret. It was stated before that Russia had the worst bid out of all. But that didnt seem to matter
Well, this sums it up, guess which 2 are the worst bids according to Fifa themselves?
why was England's bid a med risk for Stadium ops if fact only USA is low risk , just what does that mean?
Jugding from FIFA own list why was Qatar even allowed to bid
History | Bidding Nation Qatar 2022
Just been reading there bid and on paper it does look very impressive.
If they can pull of all the tech that they say they will , I think they will host an excellent WC.
I like the way all the stadia are in a compact area and all connected by a rail system.
I think the teams will like the fact they will not have to change accommodation for the WC and there will be very little travelling.
I see heat being the only problem , but they said in there bid they are developing tech to help this
But the big thing is going to be getting this from the drawing board to an actual WC If they can I think a lot of people are going to be very shocked.
Just been reading there bid and on paper it does look very impressive.
If they can pull of all the tech that they say they will , I think they will host an excellent WC.
I like the way all the stadia are in a compact area and all connected by a rail system.
I think the teams will like the fact they will not have to change accommodation for the WC and there will be very little travelling.
I see heat being the only problem , but they said in there bid they are developing tech to help this
But the big thing is going to be getting this from the drawing board to an actual WC If they can I think a lot of people are going to be very shocked.
It can't have been the bid that impressed FIFA though...they don't read bids.
Perhaps they were impressed with something else from Qatar.
Perhaps they were impressed with something else from Qatar.
It can't have been the bid that impressed FIFA though...they don't read bids.
Perhaps they were impressed with something else from Qatar.
no doubt , but reading it it does look very good on paper
No if YOU and all your committee members wanted to make money you'd go to Qatar and Russia. If you want to make money for FIFA then you'd go to the US
why was England's bid a med risk for Stadium ops if fact only USA is low risk , just what does that mean?
Jugding from FIFA own list why was Qatar even allowed to bid
I don't know, perhaps because all the stadiums everywhere is regularly used, whereas the US stadiums are hardly ever used and that represents lower risk?
Beckenbauer is now losing faith in FIFA. Didn't know that he had resigned from his post on the FIFA exec either. Leaves in March.
There was a lot of criticism of FIFA before the vote for saying that they werent going to reveal the final numbers (they always have in the past) so I think it was better that they did.
However I can understand that Beckenbauer is pissed off because all the way through the Exco thought it was secret. It does seem like they changed their mind solely to maximise the amount of embarasment for England and also to make sure we got the message that our bid was being punished for our media's actions.
Meanwhile, Platini, who was part of the committee that voted on the destination of the 2018 and 2022 finals, endorsed the decision to award the tournaments to Russia and Qatar.
"Russia asked why they didn't have the right to organise the World Cup and said it had already been held 10 times in Western Europe," said Platini.
"I think maybe the executive committee were sensitive to this. The same thing applies to Qatar and the Arab world.
"Morocco has applied to host the World Cup four times and lost, Egypt have also failed and Qatar asked when will the Middle East have this opportunity?
"Maybe, the members of the executive committee thought it was a good opportunity to go to that part of the world once and for all, a region that has never hosted the World Cup."
Platini stressed that European football governing body Uefa shares with Fifa the vision of staging major tournaments in new nations.
"If we're talking about developing football worldwide, which is ultimately the goal of institutions such as Fifa or if we're talking about European football, which is the goal of Uefa, well it's something beautiful," he added.
"That doesn't mean that Uefa has different objectives, we voted for Poland and Ukraine [as Euro 2012 hosts]."
England's hopes of staging a second World Cup ended when they went out in the first round of the 2018 World Cup ballot after earning only two votes.
Fifa's American member Chuck Blazer voted for Russia over England in the vote and explained his decision was based on world football's governing body continuing to take the competition to new hosts.
"I voted for Russia," Blazer told Soccer America. "England clearly had a great bid. But in the end, I look at England and say, 'What more would we have when we're finished other than what I am certain would have been a great World Cup?'
"I believe that when we're finished in Russia, we'll have accomplished a lot of different things."
"We can open up a market that is important from a world perspective.
"Everyone came away saying, 'Wow, what a great World Cup in South Africa.'
"It was a hard process to get there, but nonetheless the event was very, very successful from a TV, marketing, worldwide perspective.
"And having done it there, it gave reason for everyone in the world to say, 'We can do it here.' No longer was it reserved for only for the big countries in Europe and the Americas."
"Russia asked why they didn't have the right to organise the World Cup and said it had already been held 10 times in Western Europe," said Platini.
"I think maybe the executive committee were sensitive to this. The same thing applies to Qatar and the Arab world.
"Morocco has applied to host the World Cup four times and lost, Egypt have also failed and Qatar asked when will the Middle East have this opportunity?
"Maybe, the members of the executive committee thought it was a good opportunity to go to that part of the world once and for all, a region that has never hosted the World Cup."
Platini stressed that European football governing body Uefa shares with Fifa the vision of staging major tournaments in new nations.
"If we're talking about developing football worldwide, which is ultimately the goal of institutions such as Fifa or if we're talking about European football, which is the goal of Uefa, well it's something beautiful," he added.
"That doesn't mean that Uefa has different objectives, we voted for Poland and Ukraine [as Euro 2012 hosts]."
England's hopes of staging a second World Cup ended when they went out in the first round of the 2018 World Cup ballot after earning only two votes.
Fifa's American member Chuck Blazer voted for Russia over England in the vote and explained his decision was based on world football's governing body continuing to take the competition to new hosts.
"I voted for Russia," Blazer told Soccer America. "England clearly had a great bid. But in the end, I look at England and say, 'What more would we have when we're finished other than what I am certain would have been a great World Cup?'
"I believe that when we're finished in Russia, we'll have accomplished a lot of different things."
"We can open up a market that is important from a world perspective.
"Everyone came away saying, 'Wow, what a great World Cup in South Africa.'
"It was a hard process to get there, but nonetheless the event was very, very successful from a TV, marketing, worldwide perspective.
"And having done it there, it gave reason for everyone in the world to say, 'We can do it here.' No longer was it reserved for only for the big countries in Europe and the Americas."
Yes, petty that isn't it. No wonder he's losing faith in them. Professionals acting like peeved adolescents doesn't do much for confidence does it.
The market's already opened up in Russia, has been for many years now....and as for a great WC.....well no it wasn't. Not from a footballing perspective anyway. None of the last WCs have been anywhere near as good as they used to be.
Yes it is petty - the main problem is Blatter really, he is up for election next year so lets see what happens.
Long time until the next vote though now anyway, probably 10 years before the have to choose for 2026.
I do find it very strange that we have heard absolutely nothing from Geoff Thompson who was England's member of the ExCo - we see quotes from many of the voters but I have never seen even 1 comment from him about anything.
I dont agree at all - I enjoyed the WC very much.
He did make a comment about the media having affected the voting on England's bid but that's nothing new. FIFA have already said that.
Other than that....did I read that he was retiring from FIFA soon or have I imagined it? Might hear more then if he is.
just been reported on Sky News that Blatter is in favour of the Qatar World Cup being held in the winter.
Is this really a great shock.
If this happens , how would it work?
If for example the WC started mid Jan and lasts for a month , FIFA would want the players with there countries 2 weeks before that could be a potential of no PL for upto 6-8 weeks.
Maybe not a bad think with the calls for a mid winter break.
Is this really a great shock.
If this happens , how would it work?
If for example the WC started mid Jan and lasts for a month , FIFA would want the players with there countries 2 weeks before that could be a potential of no PL for upto 6-8 weeks.
Maybe not a bad think with the calls for a mid winter break.
But it'd have to be essentially a mid-winter holiday, they'd have to play all the way through the Summer afterwards, and then have no Summer break to rest. Unless they're going to re-organize season schedules for a couple of years before and after, it's not going to happen. And I wouldn't like us to go into a scheme where you start season in March and finish it in December (Russia-like) only to be able to host a World Cup in Qatar once, especially as it'd create a problem for every other European/American World Cup that follows.
A big part of Qatar's bid was the air conditioned stadiums, if they can't fulfill that promise then move the location, not the time.